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I have a Mini ppc 1.33 ghz. I've been waiting for a mini update forever. I even bought my friends old dell dimension 2400 for $100 bucks, and tried to turn it into a hackintosh. I spent 24 hours trying to do it with no luck. Then I realized maybe I should just buy one of the current minis in order to save time and hassle. It's not that easy getting osx to install on non apple hardware. believe me i tried just about everything... iatkos, kalyway, ToH, etc... apple is lame:mad:

Not all hardware will accept the Mac OS. Check the compatibility list. Go to Google.
 
I have a Mini ppc 1.33 ghz. I've been waiting for a mini update forever. I even bought my friends old dell dimension 2400 for $100 bucks, and tried to turn it into a hackintosh. I spent 24 hours trying to do it with no luck. Then I realized maybe I should just buy one of the current minis in order to save time and hassle. It's not that easy getting osx to install on non apple hardware. believe me i tried just about everything... iatkos, kalyway, ToH, etc... apple is lame:mad:

They sure are lame for trying to protect their intellectual property, both software and hardware-based.
 
Apple is Lame

What I really meant was that apple is lame for several reasons. #1 they haven't updated the mini. #2 apple computers are the best, except for the fact that you need to have a significant income in order to be able to afford one. and #3 why won't they release a version of osx for non apple hardware? Millions of people that currently use windows would buy it.:)
 
What I really meant was that apple is lame for several reasons. #1 they haven't updated the mini.

But it's still a faster system than my Power Mac G4.

#2 apple computers are the best, except for the fact that you need to have a significant income in order to be able to afford one.

The original 128K Mac cost $2500 in 1984, about what a Mac Pro costs today, and incomes were a lot lower 24 years ago, I can tell you that. The computing power available today for a relatively low cost is simply amazing.

and #3 why won't they release a version of osx for non apple hardware? Millions of people that currently use windows would buy it.:)

Because Apple would immediately see its hardware sales drop, and that's where Apple makes money.
 
What I really meant was that apple is lame for several reasons. #1 they haven't updated the mini. #2 apple computers are the best, except for the fact that you need to have a significant income in order to be able to afford one. and #3 why won't they release a version of osx for non apple hardware? Millions of people that currently use windows would buy it.:)

I'll contest all three of these.

First and foremost, Apple is a business. Their goal is to make money, above all. They don't care if Joe wants an xMac. They're going to do what they think will make money. The Mac mini has been Apple's least profitable product, with most home theater people getting the :apple:tv and those looking for a desktop sticking with the iMac. So what is Apple going to do? Kill it, most likely. Apple isn't your friend. They're a HW/SW company looking to turn a profit.

Second, you don't need a very large income to be able to afford one. I'm 15. I work as an assistant in a medical office. I make minimum wage. I saved my money for a few months, now I have a beautiful refurbished MBP. Had I wanted a MacBook, I could have gotten it even sooner. A Mac mini, sooner still. I could have gotten a $300 Everex PC, too, but that would have lasted me 6 months, every one of them buggy, frustrating months, whereas I can count on my Mac to last me years. Imagine the number of times you have to replace the extremely cheap, already-obsolete computers, and think of the amount you spend on them. Then consider a Mac, with which you will be set without needing immediate replacement for years to come. I had an iMac G4 running Tiger 10.4.11 *perfectly* until it came time to raise money for my MBP. I sold it to someone else who can hopefully find a use for an old, but still serviceable internet and light word processing computer. Imagine a January 2002 PC running Vista without a hitch, especially one of the cheapest of the cheap Pentiums.

Thirdly, Apple's Mac hardware is their profit engine. Not the iPod, nor the iPhone, although they are large moneymakers, too. The Mac is where they make their money. Take away that and they are just Microsoft, a company that makes software and a few eclectic peripherals. Mac sales would plummet, and Apple would be forced to use shoddy materials and reduce the amount of money they spend on design in order to keep the Mac from leaving the shelves.

And, the worst part is, I'm not sure it'd make the impact that OSx86ers dream about. Microsoft would remain a behemoth, Apple would be crippled, and nobody would be happy. Take your pick. Pay a premium now for something you'll be glad you did later, or use cheap systems that you'll have to replace. OS X is for the Mac, and that's the way it should stay.

(As a side note, I see nothing wrong with virtualizing OS X on VMware. It's a helpful tool for those who have invested heavily in PC hardware but need OS X to test software/web browsers on.)
 
What I really meant was that apple is lame for several reasons. #1 they haven't updated the mini. #2 apple computers are the best, except for the fact that you need to have a significant income in order to be able to afford one. and #3 why won't they release a version of osx for non apple hardware? Millions of people that currently use windows would buy it.:)

I don't think you realize that OS X is the reason that most people opt for a PC.
 
Mac Mini... Back on track?

lets get this forum back on track.

What type of Mac Mini update do you all think will happen in the next 3 months?:cool::apple:
 
I would hope that Apple would include an HDMI port on the mini so that users can attach it to their flat panel TVs for use as a media center. I think would it would be more of a high-end Apple TV that Apple could market with their short wireless mouse and wireless keyboard.
 
I would hope that Apple would include an HDMI port on the mini so that users can attach it to their flat panel TVs for use as a media center. [...]

[...] The Mac mini has been Apple's least profitable product, with most home theater people getting the :apple:tv and those looking for a desktop sticking with the iMac. So what is Apple going to do? Kill it, most likely. [...]

There we go again with the "Mac mini isn't selling" and "Mac mini is only for media centers" arguments.

1. Apple has never released any sales number that showed, one way or the other, how popular the Mac mini is. Their sales numbers are for all combined desktop models, which includes the Mac mini, iMac and Mac Pro.

2. Again the comparison with the :apple:TV. Just because a handful of people are using their computer as a media center doesn't mean most Mac mini users are doing the same. Check out 123Macmini.com, you might be in for a shock. For a lot of people, not only is the Mac mini their main desktop, but also their only Mac computer. You can buy two Mac minis for the price of a single MacBook or iMac, let's not forget that. No DVI port on the Mac mini would be extremely annoying for those using the Mac mini as a desktop computer (which is its intended function).

3. If anything, the iPod shuffle is Apple's least profitable product. But even at such a low cost, not only are they keeping it, but it's on its second revision and has an aluminum casing instead of plastic. Where's the profit in that?

4. The Mac mini has survived the PowerPC to intel transition. If it had not been profitable it wouldn't have made the transition at all.

My guess is, Apple doesn't want to spend too much R&D money on it, so maybe their plan is to skip every second chipset generation to lower the costs. That means a new model every two years with a simple specifications bump after the first year.

Then again maybe they're waiting for something from intel to completely change the form-factor, or the cost, or both.
 
I don't know where people get the information that the Mini is Apple's least profitable computer. Because there are no expensive LCD panels, the profit margin of the Mini is around 50% compared to the iMac that is around 35%. A $600 Mini generates $300 profit, a $1200 iMac generates $420 profit. Two Minis equal the dollar value of one iMac for a profit of $600 compared to $420.

No way is the Mini going to go away!
 
In our home, 4 of our 5 Macs are minis. The kids use 'em. My wife uses one. My main machine is a Macbook and my rarely used "desktop" is an old G4 mini. Whenever we go near the Apple store, they try to upsell us and tell us how the "mini can't do much" but they are working fine as homework machines and for reading email, surfing the web, etc. They also do fine for limited video editing as my daughter uses hers to edit movies. Not a usage Apple would admit is even reasonable. Then there is the topic of games. The shrink wrapped games in the Apple store all have minimum and recommended requirements on the boxes. In most cases, even the 3d games require only 64 meg minimum video ram. The mini has that. Some of the games require a dedicated video card, either ati or nvidia. Ok, so the kids can't waste time on 3d games. Wait. The kids can't waste time on 3d games! :) Mini is a good fit as a basic computer.

What did we have before? Low end HP and Dell desktops. Integrated graphics and Windows XP Pro or XP Home. The kids got dozens and sometimes thousands of viruses, toolbars, spyware, adware, etc. Since the "conversion" not a single infection has occurred. The kids lost the ability to print on an almost daily basis. Since the "conversion" I have not touched their print drivers or settings. There was on incident on my wife's Mini, where my wife couldn't see the brother network printers. I reinstalled her drivers and all was well. I don't understand that incident.

One big plus is the ability to do remote administration using screen sharing. This is a huge plus. Another big plus is parental controls. They don't work perfectly but they do work. A smaller plus is Time Machine. I used syncback on windows so I had an automatic backup strategy in place. It was syncback that made our conversion a matter of minutes rather than hours by simply switching off the pc and loading all the files off the network drive syncback was backing up to. Time Machine has not been trouble free but has worked.

I thought about using a Mini as a "Media" machine. I was planning to run a long vga cable to the lcd tv. I also considered a "mini" bluetooth keyboard sitting near the remotes. We could then switch the TV to the mini and watch youtube stuff on the bigger screen. I haven't done this yet. Right now, we have a cable company dvr because of their encryption BS. If everything we watched was "in the clear", I would consider one of those usb tuners for the Mini and I might make it become our DVR and use a usb hard drive for the storage. Maybe in the future.

For me, the Mini has the potential to make an excellent Media Center machine but I have not seriously explored this option. Because of its small size and modest upgradability (RAM and HDD only), the mini makes an excellent choice as a desktop machine. Do you really think I want one of those quad core things sitting in my office? It's almost as big as a small refrigerator. Computers shrank pretty constantly from 1955 to 1995 and then stopped. Finally, with the introduction of the Mini, computers have stated to shrink again. Way to go, Apple! Because my priority is not 3d, I'll take the small size of the Mini over dedicated or upgradeable video any day.
 
Or maybe...they'll take the mini to a new evener minier form factor using the Atom chip...no performance gains there though but I suspect it would be ultra compact and a 100% passive design.

Personally - as I mentioned a couple dozen posts ago - I'm really quite happy with the Core 2 1.86 mini. So far it does everything I need, it does it well and it is pretty quiet. I also really like the dimensions.

I've had no issues getting my HVR-950 TV Stick, CanoSCAN LiDE 25, Lexmark Printer, firewire & USB disks, etc... working with OS X. Support for my exiting PC peripherals has been better than expected.

The Mac Mini makes a very capable desktop "as is" today. It can only get better with a refresh if one ever comes.

:D
 
ummm

...I have heard that Apple plans to add hardware video decoding to ALL of its new computers beginning fairly soon, certainly this year....


People ask what others want on a new mini; I want H.264 hardware encode/decode. HD iChat would be a welcome thing. Fast, quiet encoding of video for Apple TV.

*pop*

Wait, that reality sounded too good to last.
 
Or maybe...they'll take the mini to a new evener minier form factor using the Atom chip...no performance gains there though but I suspect it would be ultra compact and a 100% passive design.

The Mac Mini makes a very capable desktop "as is" today. It can only get better with a refresh if one ever comes.

:D

Apple's problem with the mini isn't that it's too big. The problem is that it's too expensive for the specs that you get. Form factor is the LAST thing Apple needs to worry about with the Mac mini.
 
Personally - as I mentioned a couple dozen posts ago - I'm really quite happy with the Core 2 1.86 mini. So far it does everything I need, it does it well and it is pretty quiet. I also really like the dimensions.

The Mac Mini makes a very capable desktop "as is" today. It can only get better with a refresh if one ever comes.

:D[/QUOTE]

I am waiting to see what comes out in Sept to buy my first Mac Mini, and Second Mac. I just hope they don't kill it off, just one more update and i will be buying a Mini. I just hope the entry level will have a Superdrive rather than a combo. I could see Apple just bumping the Mini up to the 2.0 and 2.12 Ghz for the two models. And sticking with Intel GMA 950 graphics processor, I would like to see Intel GMA X3100 in the new Mini, since that would be compatible with OSX 10.5.
 
No, it's not- every person who I have tried to get to switch has said that they don't want to use the Mac OS because Windows works just fine for them.

5 years ago maybe, but increasingly Eidorian is right. Marketshare gains may seem insignificant but with the ipod/iphone halo effect, apple's mindshare is almost ubiquitous and the majority of ppl who don't know their way around the control panel are increasingly being recommended that system preferences might be more for them. Since the intel switch, even advanced users are able to convert their knowledge with a dual boot solution and so learning a new OS when they know windows inside and out doesn't seem like such an ordeal.

Then they go on the apple site, look at how much dedicated graphics is going to cost them and run back to the pub with new ammo in the argument as to why macs are awful. A midrange tower starting at $1200-$1400 would shut a hell of a lot of those ppl up. But apple obviously knows this is a problem, as their prices have been steadily dropping for sometime, particularly in foreign markets as the dollar gets weaker. Once they find the sweet spot at which the majority of ppl agree that the premium for the OS and design represents good value, Macs could actually start to dominate the home use market. But how far apple takes it depends on how much being a niche market operator with big margins means to them, and such a shift will only happen incrementally, driven largely by more consumer products further increasing their mindshare (eg execs owning macbook airs converting their offices to osX etc.).
 
No, it's not- every person who I have tried to get to switch has said that they don't want to use the Mac OS because Windows works just fine for them.

Maybe before OSX you could have made that argument...maybe. For sure around the time of system 7, no problem. But now that goes against every piece of consumer research evidence I've ever seen. If people didn't like OSX better than windows--at least amongst those who know both adequately well--Apple would never have had the corporate muscle to become what they are. Which is, somewhat ironically, a company that doesn't pay nearly as much attention to computer hardware as it used to, but that's beside the point ;).
 
I'll contest all three of these.
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Second, you don't need a very large income to be able to afford one. I'm 15. I work as an assistant in a medical office. I make minimum wage. I saved my money for a few months, now I have a beautiful refurbished MBP.
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I agree with your other points, but no, you can not afford a MBP on minimum wage...unless you're 15 and have zero living expenses.
 
The Mac mini has been Apple's least profitable product, with most home theater people getting the :apple:tv and those looking for a desktop sticking with the iMac. So what is Apple going to do? Kill it, most likely.

Hopefully not, given the popularity of this thread! Methinks there are a quite a few people looking to buy the mini once they update it! Count me as one, as a start!
 
Maybe before OSX you could have made that argument...maybe. For sure around the time of system 7, no problem.

That's your opinion. Anyone can have an opinion at any time, just as anyone can argue for that opinion at any time.

I went to high school when they were using OS 7.5. They later went to OS 8 and I was sold. Eventually I bought my first Mac, an iMac with 8.6. The reason I went Mac was not that I liked Mac OS better but that I absolutely hated Windows, as I do to this day.

While I agree that OS X is great and better in every way than prior Mac OS's (with the exception of 'print window'), I don't understand peoples point that Windows was better than Mac OS 1-9. While the Mac OS had a serious overhaul in base code (unix) and looks (aqua), the exact same principle of simplicity are not only found in both but are the very reason for their existence.
 
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