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I like the arstechnica angle:
in the past few years, September has been reserved for iPods, while August is for the Mac. This year, Intel's delay of Centrino 2 made that impossible. If an iPod-only event is held on September 9, the long-overdue update of Mac portables would likely be pushed back at least two weeks, if not longer. Introducing the hotly-rumored and redesigned MacBook in October would mean missing out on late - starting college students in September. If ever there was a year for an Apple Super Event in September for Macs and iPods, 2008 would be it.

It's an interesting angle - Apple is constrained as to when it can update, by the various timings that have altered potentially by a Intel delay on Centrino 2.

There are pretty good indicators e.g. low stock, EOL etc. And sudden sales
 
Assuming Apple is moving to nVidia mobile, that means the Mac Mini will be updated along with the iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro.

The MacBook and MacBook Pro will be launched first (and likely together), followed within a few weeks by the Mac Mini and then the iMac a few weeks after that.
 
It's an interesting angle - Apple is constrained as to when it can update, by the various timings that have altered potentially by a Intel delay on Centrino 2.

I don't agree with that. Montevina was delayed by a certification technicality, not by any real technical issue. Other computer manufacturers were ready to announce Montevina models the day after Intel released it. Surely Apple had access to the hardware, along with other major manufacturers, long before that. If they had been ready they could have announced new products in August too.
 
Apple is constrained as to when it can update, by the various timings that have altered potentially by a Intel delay on Centrino 2.

Apple does not use the Intel Wireless chipset which was subject to the FCC delay. The MacBook and Mac Mini would likely have used the X4500IGP, but we don't know how - or even if - the errata issues would affect Apple.

I am more and more thinking that Apple is indeed moving to nVidia mobile chipsets and this is the reason for the delay in shipping new products.
 
Yep I can already hear the complaints why did they do that? why didn't they do that? I'm disappointed etc.. its still slow and not what I really needed. its never going to end :p

yea.. 2.1 GHz low end?!? are they kidding me?
give me my old mini back

LOL
 
Yep I can already hear the complaints why did they do that? why didn't they do that? I'm disappointed etc.. its still slow and not what I really needed. its never going to end :p

As long as it lets me record TV and plays Blu-Rays and supports 1620p and makes toast and coffee, I won't complain.
 
New Mac Mini!!!

hey have you all heard the news?

apple is bringing back the PPC G3 processors and putting them into the new mini's on sept. 9th.

their also changing the name from the mac mini to the mac minus.

because of the new changes, i'm selling my g4 mac mini for 1300$. call me if your interested.

:p
 
As long as there still IS a mini I think the thread has a right to live on...

...the real question is why are so many of us still reading it :p.

Because there are enough competent people out there who know that, nowadays, a decent computer shouldn't have to cost you $1200. The Mini used to be it, but hasn't been for almost two years (the last update was a joke and that was a year ago).

Cost efficient != "Dreck." That is a misconception that many people have on these boards.

-Clive
 
Apple does not use the Intel Wireless chipset which was subject to the FCC delay. The MacBook and Mac Mini would likely have used the X4500IGP, but we don't know how - or even if - the errata issues would affect Apple.

I am more and more thinking that Apple is indeed moving to nVidia mobile chipsets and this is the reason for the delay in shipping new products.

Hadn't thought about it enough I guess!
Snow Leopards features, alongside Larrabee, Nehalem - doesn't it point towards Apple perhaps wanting to use more custom designed chipsets across its lines?
To go on a tangent a bit: Come Snow Leopard (and to be honest, it could have been done prior to SL), The XServe could double up in size, or incorporate more RAM slots/a link to another board with more RAM slots; the Mac Pro is presumably going to be the other main beneficiary, and why wouldn't Apple want to give the ability (even in an "Extreme" Mac Pro model) to be able to have a board that can physically take more RAM than currently. Same goes with the iMac. The Mac mini i'd imagine is a bit cramped in there, but could still take 4GB or so?

Would any of the fabbed chips from PA Semi related designs go into any of the Macs Apple has, or just be related to a potential MID beyond Touch and iPhone?

Throw in Lucid's Hydra ftw?
 
Inventory....

Have heard that there is a lot of existing stock of the mini. So not sure how that will lend itself to Apple making the next one.

Wish I knew but the little guy does need an overhaul and is really overdue.

Not a fair comparison but when you can buy a laptop for the price of the mini, what's the point?

How will Apple respond to that? If they thought it out, it could be a really solid performer and media center too.

Gee, you could at a minimum put in HDMI, a new chip, graphics chipset and RAM limits.

What's so hard about that? :apple:
 
Snow Leopards features, alongside Larrabee, Nehalem - doesn't it point towards Apple perhaps wanting to use more custom designed chipsets across its lines?

It may very well be. Snow Leopard will take advantage of the four and eight-core Core i7 /Nehalem CPUs and might very well be able to leverage Larabee's "CPU swarms".

Snow Leopard will also leverage CUDA and that means Apple needs to add a discrete nVidia GPU to the MacBook and Mac Mini if they stayed with Intel's chipsets and that would add costs. But by moving to nVidia's chipsets, they now get the nVidia GPU integrated.


Would any of the fabbed chips from PA Semi related designs go into any of the Macs Apple has, or just be related to a potential MID beyond Touch and iPhone?

As I understand it, the PA Semi chips are based on the embedded PowerPC architecture which does not lend itself to the Mac market. It also would not be able to leverage Snow Leopard (which will be based on Intel's CPU architecture).
 
Mac Mini and Garageband

I responded to your message from my studio picture at 123macmini here: http://www.123macmini.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=13

I highly recommend the mini and Garageband. Too many people under-rate Garageband as well as the mini. Besides, I would much rather spend my money on equipment and effects rather than for a better faster Mac that would accomplish the same thing. The mini does the job with no limitations.

Also, if you decide on getting the Roland HD-1 kit, it can plug directly in to the input (1/8" jack) on the back of the mini (like any real instrument), however I run it through a small mixer.

Regards

Is there anyone out the who owns a mac mini and uses garageband to compose music?
I am looking to get a mac(mini) to start my dream of creating music. I am not a David Foster or John Tesh, just a hobbyist how want to share my love of music with my kid.
I know the mac can handle basic internetting, Itunes, photos and some ocasional video. but I just want a mac mini for music.
Any music people out there?:)
 
I responded to your message from my studio picture at 123macmini here: http://www.123macmini.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=13

I highly recommend the mini and Garageband. Too many people under-rate Garageband as well as the mini. Besides, I would much rather spend my money on equipment and effects rather than for a better faster Mac that would accomplish the same thing. The mini does the job with no limitations.

Also, if you decide on getting the Roland HD-1 kit, it can plug directly in to the input (1/8" jack) on the back of the mini (like any real instrument), however I run it through a small mixer.

Regards

Famous last words. No limitations rights *now*, come the next revisions of OSX and Garageband (which you may want to get for all the new 'must' have useful features, ease of use, etc), the current mini, *might* not be able to take advantage of. It's the same for most apps that bring new stuff to the table, and older hardware doesn't quite keep up with ever greater demands that the newer software uses, on the latest and greatest hardware.

mini needs to keep the price low, so Apple is limited by that constraint as to what performance/price ratio hardware- when and if Apple updates the model...assuming they don't kill it altogether Sept 9. :D That rules out higher RAM capacities, rules out expensive SSD's, discreet GPU's, etc. It's a budget computer that uses the lowest price parts.

As always people want a low priced mini, but lust for a added mini Xtreme model in the equation...what, you don't want to do FCS/Motion editing of your 4k res major studio release on a mini Xtreme :p ?
 
It is this way no matter what the hardware.

Exactly. People are acting like the different between the base mini and the base MB is more then the measly 300mhz. They both come with the same RAM, Combo Drive, and the mini has a slightly smaller hard drive. But, the MB costs $500 more. The mini isn't actually priced that badly when you compare it to the Macbook. The only significant and obvious advantage with the Macbook is portability.
 
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