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rdowns said:
There seemed to be an underlying theme to all the onlookers- misinformation about Macs. Most were astonished to see Office running and even more astonished to see some company wide spreadsheets on screen.

this is certainly true i think. i was at my folks over xmas, spent half the time trying to sort out an IE hijack. my dad mentioned that he was thinking about getting a new pc, and i suggested a mac. his reply? "but aren't macs just for more technical people?" "no no no no no".

he was thinking about a laptop, but didn't sound convinced by the 14" iBook, and i'm not sure he really needs a PB. the mac mini with a new TFT display could be ideal for him. (although he may be as well getting an iMac if he has the cash).

Iain
 
oingoboingo said:
Hey man, I know how you feel. I'm the CIO for a Fortune 100 company, and we were all set to replace over 10,000 desktop Intel/Windows systems until we found out that the Mac mini had only one FireWire port. What a bummer. You see, in our current network we use a robust, multiply redundant system of fileservers, network attached storage and storage area networks. We can centrally control access privileges across our whole organization, have a central place for file distribution rather than have stuff scattered over thousands of desktop systems, do centralized backup and file recovery, centralized storage upgrades, and keep all our IT management infrastructure in one place.

This was all going great until a few weeks ago when one of our junior office assistants sent me an e-mail saying that he would prefer it if his desktop machine had a few hundred gigabytes of local storage instead of using the high-speed, multiply redundant, centrally administered, centrally backed-up, securely managed corporate file server. "Rebooting would be faster", he explained in his e-mail. "...and I can store...umm...stuff".

Hmm...faster rebooting. Even though the Mac OS X systems we were considering generally only needed to be rebooted after applying system updates, and could be placed into sleep mode reliably day-in, day-out, he had a point. Why not reboot all the time? I had to admit it, that Apple startup chime was pretty catchy. Who was I to deny him this right? And if he was going to reboot constantly, then dammit, time is money in my organization, and I wasn't going to have him wasting valuable seconds by waiting for a 4200rpm drive to squeeze Mac OS X across a constipated parallel ATA/100 link into RAM. Then I considered his second point. Eureka! Everyone wants to store stacks of 'umm...stuff' locally. I had to admit to myself...having all our valuable corporate information stored so securely, so centrally...it was getting boring. I thought about the raw, seat-of-the-pants thrill I could obtain by shifting the entire organization's data storage architecture onto overly-large, low MBTF consumer-grade, easily portable, hard-to-backup, impossible to reliably share local storage devices, located right there on top of user's desks. Brilliant!!

I fired off a quick response to the young lad congratulating him on his fine idea and granting him a masssive pay rise (in the form of $175,852 worth of unredeemed Pepsi iTunes Music Store bottle caps). Starting on the 22nd of January, we would not only be transitioning from Intel/Windows to Mac OS X, but we would uproot our entire storage architecture! I went straight to Apple's web page to place an order for 10,000 Mac minis, and of course some iPod Socks for myself. But then my delight turned to horror. Only one FireWire 400 port? But how would each individual user hook up a second, multi-terabyte RAID box to their existing external 400GB boot drive and then shuttle files meaninglessly back and forth all day? What if they wanted to bring in their FireWire DV video cameras from home and edit movies instead of working? AND WHAT IF THEY WANTED TO REBOOT WHILE THE WHOLE THING WAS HAPPENING?!?!?!

The realization slapped me across the face like a blow from a searing hot 11-pound PowerBook G5. The Mac mini would be USELESS! I called my assistant to bring a box of bran flakes, a jug of milk, and a Zip-loc baggie. Within a few hours I had filled the baggie with exactly what I thought of Steve Jobs and his storage-crippled Mac mini, and had my assistant express freight it to Cupertino. You almost had my order Jobs...but the single FireWire 400 killed the deal. And no. We can't afford PowerMacs. Too expensive. Too noisy.

I feel your pain, little dude.


Absolutely hilarious... :D

Trust an Aussie to put the cruellest boot in -- in the nicest possible way of course! (It has a certain Barry Humphries quality to it)

You did a much better job than I did of debunking this poster and his complete crap...

Thanks for the laugh :D
 
I just ordered one!!! I got the 1.42 gigahertz system with superdrive and bluetooth. I'll order a 1 gig RAM stick from Crucial.com. I have absolute faith that I'll be able to get the mini open myself.
 
io_burn said:
Can't wait for mine to get here...

i second that...i'm checking my email account for the conformation mail like every 5 minutes

offtopic: how much HD space will used when it get shipped to a customer ? any ibook buyers around ?
 
why is it just G4? i would buy it in a second if it was G5..
then again, it's targetted to draw the PC users... heh heh, those poor SOBs. when they try out a Mac, there's no turning back, heh heh heh heh...
 
Demon said:
why is it just G4? i would buy it in a second if it was G5..
then again, it's targetted to draw the PC users... heh heh, those poor SOBs. when they try out a Mac, there's no turning back, heh heh heh heh...

I was a proud PC SOB, until I tried Mac, I never go back. :D
 
Kagetenshi said:
1) Cost.

2) Heat.

3) Absolutely no need.

~J

Since I have a G4 now, just don't want a G4 as my next Mac. I can certainly understand about the cost, in the future the cost of the G5 will decrease. Heat definitely would be an issue, but if they can over come the problem in the iBook and PowerBook then it shouldn't be an issue. If the other issues are overcome, then there will be the need in the future.
 
3Memos said:
I was a proud PC SOB, until I tried Mac, I never go back. :D


yo memos, wassup? yo i was just wondering to what extent were you a windows user? i hear people at my work say that they would never leave windows. that its way better and extremely stable. yet my girlfriends old system (windows) just kept getting worse and worse to the point of not being able to play dvds or burn cds.

my take on it is there are two types of windows users...the ones that cant stand windows (someone who isn't computer savey and their system ultimately becomes unusable because they cant maintain it).

and the PowerUser who says windows is awesome (usually knows what to do to keep the computer running).




if apple was in this position at least they would address the issue. as it is now they make it easy for non computer types to the unix/linex world to maintain a healthy system.
 
I struggled whether or not to buy one also. I had said my next Mac would be a G5. I've had my G4 PowerBook for almost 2 years. I think I got it in Feb of 2003. The only thing I feel better about it is that my current G4 is 867 megahertz and my new one will be 1420 megahertz. That's quite a bit faster. I wish more than the processor that the thing had a 7,200 RPM hard drive or at least a 5,400 one. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE a G5 in the mini.

I thought about buying a new iMac a couple months back. I have no space for it because I currently have dual monitors hooked up to my Dell. I want dual monitors on my Dell more than getting rid of one and putting an iMac there. With the Mac mini, I'll hook it up to the DVI port on my second LCD. I can then just switch between VGA and DVI on that monitor. I already have the Apple wireless keyboard and mouse and will use those on the mini.

I wish my mini were here now. :)
 
beatle888 said:
yo memos, wassup? yo i was just wondering to what extent were you a windows user? i hear people at my work say that they would never leave windows. that its way better and extremely stable. yet my girlfriends old system (windows) just kept getting worse and worse to the point of not being able to play dvds or burn cds.

my take on it is there are two types of windows users...the ones that cant stand windows (someone who isn't computer savey and their system ultimately becomes unusable because they cant maintain it).

and the PowerUser who says windows is awesome (usually knows what to do to keep the computer running).

if apple was in this position at least they would address the issue. as it is now they make it easy for non computer types to the unix/linex world to maintain a healthy system.
I have been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and I would agree that there are two very different types of Windows users. The first is the most common and they are the users who have no idea how to protect themselves from viruses, spyware, how to defrag a hard drive, or understanding that most Windows computers should be backed up and formatted about once a year.

On Windows XP Pro, I am behind the firewall in my router, have no popups with IE 6 SP2 or Firefox, have anti-virus software that updates automatically and scans weekly, and I check for spyware once every few weeks.

This may sound like a lot of work but I have been doing it so long I don't even notice. I just consider it necessary in order to use my computer. Yes, I may be one of the small percentage of Windows users that are "power users" but Windows can be very powerful and easy to use with XP. That said, I did order a Mac Mini 1.42 Ghz with 512 MB and 80 GB HD because I have been wanting to use OSX for a very long time. I hope the Mac community has room for a new Mac users than still plans on using Windows for gaming, web development, and a few other things.
 
kahleeb said:
I have been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and I would agree that there are two very different types of Windows users. The first is the most common and they are the users who have no idea how to protect themselves from viruses, spyware, how to defrag a hard drive, or understanding that most Windows computers should be backed up and formatted about once a year.

On Windows XP Pro, I am behind the firewall in my router, have no popups with IE 6 SP2 or Firefox, have anti-virus software that updates automatically and scans weekly, and I check for spyware once every few weeks.

This may sound like a lot of work but I have been doing it so long I don't even notice. I just consider it necessary in order to use my computer. Yes, I may be one of the small percentage of Windows users that are "power users" but Windows can be very powerful and easy to use with XP. That said, I did order a Mac Mini 1.42 Ghz with 512 MB and 80 GB HD because I have been wanting to use OSX for a very long time. I hope the Mac community has room for a new Mac users than still plans on using Windows for gaming, web development, and a few other things.
I'm a similar type of user... been using Windows since Windows 2.11 (ran on a 10 MHz 80286-based IBM PS/2 50Z). I've got the full suite of protection here... antivirus scanning weekly and updated frequently, the new Microsoft AntiSpyware program scanning for stuff DAILY, firewall on the router, firewalls on the PCs, anti-spam software running in Outlook, automatic Windows updates installed as they become available... and I back up my data weekly, if not more frequently, to DVD. Nothing bad happens here, except when a piece of hardware fails... I had a hard drive die in one of my notebooks a couple of weeks ago, and had to replace the drive and reinstall everything.

You can definitely include me in the group of Windows power users... but like kahleeb, I ordered a Mac mini last week out of sheer curiosity. I'm not gonna Switch, but as I've said, I am willing to Visit.
 
kahleeb said:
I have been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and I would agree that there are two very different types of Windows users. The first is the most common and they are the users who have no idea how to protect themselves from viruses, spyware, how to defrag a hard drive, or understanding that most Windows computers should be backed up and formatted about once a year.

On Windows XP Pro, I am behind the firewall in my router, have no popups with IE 6 SP2 or Firefox, have anti-virus software that updates automatically and scans weekly, and I check for spyware once every few weeks.

This may sound like a lot of work but I have been doing it so long I don't even notice. I just consider it necessary in order to use my computer. Yes, I may be one of the small percentage of Windows users that are "power users" but Windows can be very powerful and easy to use with XP. That said, I did order a Mac Mini 1.42 Ghz with 512 MB and 80 GB HD because I have been wanting to use OSX for a very long time. I hope the Mac community has room for a new Mac users than still plans on using Windows for gaming, web development, and a few other things.

Welcome to the World of Macintosh. New Mac users are always welcome! The more the merrier... I was in the same situation before I made the switch a year ago. I bought the sexiest notebook there is, my beloved 12" PB and haven't missed Windows for one second. Enjoy the Mac experience. :)
 
nomadpete said:
well, i've had a powerbook for over a year now, so i'm hardly a new switcher. however, i've never really been a fan of imacs, and G5s are basically just too big for me. but this is just perfect.

I like my computers small, quiet, yet packing a punch. i've stuck with shuttles for my pcs over the past couple of years, and they have been excellent. the mac mini, however, will now take pride of place on the desk.

it sits perfectly with all my other gear, and will work brilliantly with my Samsung 181T - DVI for the PC, VGA for the miniMac.

for people like me this is just what we've been waiting for - a very cheap, modern version of the cube.

perfect, apple. have an.... apple.

doh.

After reading reviews of the Mac Mini, there isn't enough RAM to run Tiger, much less anything else. They should have made it larger & stuck a G5 in it. It's certainly isn't good for games. I'm waiting a year or more.
 
clayjohanson said:
I'm a similar type of user... been using Windows since Windows 2.11 (ran on a 10 MHz 80286-based IBM PS/2 50Z). I've got the full suite of protection here... antivirus scanning weekly and updated frequently, the new Microsoft AntiSpyware program scanning for stuff DAILY, firewall on the router, firewalls on the PCs, anti-spam software running in Outlook, automatic Windows updates installed as they become available... and I back up my data weekly, if not more frequently, to DVD. Nothing bad happens here, except when a piece of hardware fails... I had a hard drive die in one of my notebooks a couple of weeks ago, and had to replace the drive and reinstall everything.

You can definitely include me in the group of Windows power users... but like kahleeb, I ordered a Mac mini last week out of sheer curiosity. I'm not gonna Switch, but as I've said, I am willing to Visit.

I'm sure you will enjoy your stay :)
 
mkwilson68 said:
I just saw that someone posted a set of MacBench results for the mini.
http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc2=91336

It scored pretty well - basically, this machine is comparable to a current top of the line powerbook, which is not too shabby for a machine of that price. It ain't no G5, but it'll do what most people ever need pretty well.

Which doesn't come as a surprise to me since the mini is not so much different from the PB's specs wise. The only major difference is the GPU.

That's why I never understood those whiners who complained how underpowered the minis were. Like you said, no G5 but a good machine for everyday stuff.
 
oingoboingo said:
Hey man, I know how you feel. I'm the CIO for a Fortune 100 company, and we were all set to replace over 10,000 desktop Intel/Windows systems until we found out that the Mac mini had only one FireWire port. What a bummer. You see, in our current network... ..

The Mac mini would be USELESS! I called my assistant to bring a box of bran flakes, a jug of milk, and a Zip-loc baggie. Within a few hours I had filled the baggie with exactly what I thought of Steve Jobs and his storage-crippled Mac mini, and had my assistant express freight it to Cupertino. You almost had my order Jobs...but the single FireWire 400 killed the deal. And no. We can't afford PowerMacs. Too expensive. Too noisy.

I feel your pain, little dude.

Best post! Thread closed!!!
 
paulsecic said:
After reading reviews of the Mac Mini, there isn't enough RAM to run Tiger, much less anything else. They should have made it larger & stuck a G5 in it. It's certainly isn't good for games. I'm waiting a year or more.
I never have expected the Mac Mini to run games. In fact, I would never own a Mac for games--that is what my Windows XP Pro PC is for. If you are a big gamer, then you need a PC. Some may argue with this but I would counter with can you play Half Life 2 on any system but a PC? HL2 is one of the best games I have ever played.

Regarding the RAM, Apple is doing the same exact thing that Dell and other PC makers do. 256 MB isn't enough for more than just a few things. I configured my Mac Mini I ordered with 512 and would highly encourage anyone else buying a Mac Mini (or a PC) to do the same. But what do I know? I am just a Windows user trying to get a taste of OSX :D

Regarding the Processor, I don't think they could have done a G5 in there right now, kept the base price under $500, and kept it cool enough. It would have been nice, however, to have an option to upgrade the processor to G5 in a high price... but then there might be so many options people would get confused.

For the 700 bucks my little Mac Mini cost to configure, I will gladly pay it to try out the world of Mac. Who knows, maybe I will be ordering a G5 in the next year!
 
clayjohanson said:
I'm a similar type of user... been using Windows since Windows 2.11 (ran on a 10 MHz 80286-based IBM PS/2 50Z). I've got the full suite of protection here... antivirus scanning weekly and updated frequently, the new Microsoft AntiSpyware program scanning for stuff DAILY, firewall on the router, firewalls on the PCs, anti-spam software running in Outlook, automatic Windows updates installed as they become available... and I back up my data weekly, if not more frequently, to DVD. Nothing bad happens here, except when a piece of hardware fails... I had a hard drive die in one of my notebooks a couple of weeks ago, and had to replace the drive and reinstall everything.

You can definitely include me in the group of Windows power users... but like kahleeb, I ordered a Mac mini last week out of sheer curiosity. I'm not gonna Switch, but as I've said, I am willing to Visit.
If anything, I hope Apple gains market share by people like me and clayjohanson. Microsoft needs competition because their OS is full of security holes and bugs that they refuse to fix. I already know of several people who are going to order a Mac Mini and this may lead to many more Mac users in 2005!
 
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