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If you want to use the same cable to charge you iPhone and to plug your laptop into your display you haven’t yet tried. The first coat $2 the other coat $25 and the both look the same. Don’t mix them up.
Yeah, I wish USB-C was a true standard, rather than just a standardized connector. That is why I bought a few $20 e-chip cables that do high power AND high speed data when I first got a USB-C computer and discovered what a mess the "standard" was. That said, $2 cables for anything are usually fairly suspect.
 
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30 pages of whining. Y'all this is no different than when they/PCs removed lightning, or 30 pin, or DVI, or the optical drive, or VGA, or FireWire, or floppy, or ps/2, or parallel port, or serial port, or ADB, or…
You survived.
You’re showing your age. You forgot SCSI but otherwise it’s a pretty comprehensive list. ;)
 
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My current ****ing cable is ****ing expensive so no!!
Buy an adapter then. That's what I did for the nice and expensive braided mini-USB cable I use with my mechanical keyboard. The adapter cost me a grand total of $5 and I could give a rat's wet ass what it looks like because it's on the back of my computer where I never see it.

And, get this, if my needs change and I don't use that cable anymore, I have a fully-functional USB-C port I can use to plug in a hard drive or whatever -- instead of an ancient, unidirectional port that was designed like two full decades ago.
 
Two years ago when I bought a new car, I was disappointed to find out that it had only USB-A ports in it. I thought to myself, this is 2022 and they’re still putting obsolete USB-A ports in new cars!? :rolleyes: Sigh.
Guess it depends on the car company. My wife’s 2024 Volvo has only USB-C for the front and rear passengers.

PS It still comes with Apple CarPlay too
 
You know, there's a difference between using adapters and hubs on a desktop computer vs a laptop. No one wants to carry around a bag of adapters and hubs and have to dig one out when they need to plug in a USB-A flash drive. A desktop, on the other hand, can have a hub attached all the time.

Complaining about ports on a MacBook is reasonable to me, but a Mac Mini that sits on my desk can have all sorts of things connected to give me more ports and I don't care.
Or you know, just keep putting the ports that are still in common use (whether you like it or not) right on the damn computer...
 
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USB-A is a STANDARD. Lightning was an idiotic proprietary connector that had no reason to EVER exist. I'd rather Apple had used Micro-USB connectors instead of coming up with a new and pointless proprietary connector, and then moved to USB-C on phones and mice immediately when it came out instead of letting the proprietary garbage stick around for a freaking decade.

One of my favorite desktop Macs of all time was actually a Hackintosh. It had ALL the ports, a bunch of USB, serial, parallel, SCSI, internal Blu-Ray drive AND DVD-RW drive, 10TB internal storage, VGA, DVI, and a bunch of PCIe slots in case I wanted to add more stuff. I want Apple to build THAT kind of machine.
I agree on your USB-A is a Standard point. But you are off the deep end on Lightning. The physical form factor of Lightning was light years better than micro-USB. micro-USB is a **** design through and through and would fail ALL the time with few insertion cycles. Micro-USB is probably the worst small connected ever created... When Apple launched the Lightning port they said they would stick with it for around a decade so people didn't have to buy new devices and things. They honored that. Is it good they switched to USB-C now, yes. But it's also good they held up to the agreement they originally set out with. Lightning was also robust as hell (the connector, not necessarily the cable). I agree with everything else though.
 
I'm cool with that. No one needs USB-A anymore. You get adapters for free with most non-Apple electronics. And you can buy cables/adapters for next to nothing just about anywhere (except Apple; they overcharge big time).
Pretty bold a statement for one that's completely false. I still have to use more USB-A connections than USB-C for work. I still have and use USB-A keyboard and mice and thumb drives personally too. I do have some USB-C things, but my USB-A devices far outnumber them even today. Some of those things I use don't even have a USB-C option I can find yet. Find me one of these that's USB-C: https://ftdichip.com/products/usb-rs485-we-1800-bt/ For work I often need to have more than one of these connected to my laptop at the same time while in a test cell. You know what ****ing sucks and add's unneccesary **** that has to sit on the desk next to my laptop at a test cell that get in the way of everything because the desk is too small? DONGLES...
 
Pretty bold a statement for one that's completely false. I still have to use more USB-A connections than USB-C for work. I still have and use USB-A keyboard and mice and thumb drives personally too. I do have some USB-C things, but my USB-A devices far outnumber them even today. Some of those things I use don't even have a USB-C option I can find yet. Find me one of these that's USB-C: https://ftdichip.com/products/usb-rs485-we-1800-bt/ For work I often need to have more than one of these connected to my laptop at the same time while in a test cell. You know what ****ing sucks and add's unneccesary **** that has to sit on the desk next to my laptop at a test cell that get in the way of everything because the desk is too small? DONGLES...
I'm not a RS485 expert, so sorry if this isn't exactly what you need. I just searched because it seemed strange there wouldn't be a USB-C version by now.

I thought this one looked more solid, but depending on how you are connecting, it might not be what you want:
Since I don't see a price there, I searched on the part number to see if it is still available and found:
Let me know if these are even remotely what you are looking for, as I find this stuff interesting!
 
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Pretty bold a statement for one that's completely false. I still have to use more USB-A connections than USB-C for work. I still have and use USB-A keyboard and mice and thumb drives personally too. I do have some USB-C things, but my USB-A devices far outnumber them even today. Some of those things I use don't even have a USB-C option I can find yet. Find me one of these that's USB-C: https://ftdichip.com/products/usb-rs485-we-1800-bt/ For work I often need to have more than one of these connected to my laptop at the same time while in a test cell. You know what ****ing sucks and add's unneccesary **** that has to sit on the desk next to my laptop at a test cell that get in the way of everything because the desk is too small? DONGLES...
The Mini is not a laptop, though. It's stationary and it takes next to no effort or money to route cables with adapters or hubs out of sight.
 
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Yes. But no longer including the port is part of changing the prevalence.
Hmm, barely. These things are incredibly niche. The change on MacBooks made a big difference, and was painful for everyone.

If Apple cared about changing the prevalence, they'd have changed the iPhone's connector years sooner, though. The EU are the ones changing the prevalence by mandating use of USB-C in so many instances. Which is a good thing, as nothing new should be coming with crappy USB-A connectors any more.
 
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Hmm, barely. These things are incredibly niche. The change on MacBooks made a big difference, and was painful for everyone.

It was, but that's almost a decade ago now.

The EU are the ones changing the prevalence by mandating use of USB-C in so many instances.

I really don't think the EU's decision had much impact here. Apple wasn't gonna stick to Lightning no matter what. They probably weren't going to do a Lightning 2 either, as its benefits over USB-C were going to be limited.
 
It was, but that's almost a decade ago now.



I really don't think the EU's decision had much impact here. Apple wasn't gonna stick to Lightning no matter what. They probably weren't going to do a Lightning 2 either, as its benefits over USB-C were going to be limited.
The EU has impacted lots of other portable devices that had the more niche USB connectors too, hasn't it? They certainly seemed to be the catalyst for Apple changing- which we know they didn't want to for MFI related profit reasons.
 
which we know they didn't want to for MFI related profit reasons.

We don't know that. We can speculate that it was an argument towards sticking with Lightning for longer than they otherwise would've, and I'm sure they didn't mind the revenues, but I haven't seen any compelling argument as to why they would've wanted to stick to Lightning for much longer.
 
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Does anyone buy based on that differentiator? I mean in any significant numbers, not like 10 people globally. Dongles suck, Apple knows we hate them, but we'd tolerate them rather than spend £500 or £1000 more.

Yes. The SD card slot in particular is a huge selling point for many Pro buyers. It was a big deal when Apple added it back (along with HDMI and MagSafe) on the 14-inch MacBook Pro.

Apple would certainly not bother putting these things on their Pro laptops if only 10 users wanted them.
 
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Apple would certainly not bother putting these things on their Pro laptops if only 10 users wanted them.

Sure.

But nobody's going to say, "the $1,099 MacBook Air configuration is enough for me, except that it doesn't have an SD card slot, so I'll go with the $1,599 base 14-inch MacBook Pro".
 
Two years ago when I bought a new car, I was disappointed to find out that it had only USB-A ports in it.
So - to parrot @ignatius345 below - buy a $5 adapter then! Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander... Hint: cars don't come with Thunderbolt connections and I bet most don't supply 90W power to charge your laptop, so you're not going to get better performance out of USB-C.

Y'all this is no different than when they/PCs removed lightning, or 30 pin, or DVI, or the optical drive, or VGA, or FireWire, or floppy, or ps/2, or parallel port, or serial port, or ADB, or…
Nice comprehensive list of false equivalents. Most of those had become very limiting and were already superseded by alternatives which were an order of magnitude faster/bigger/smaller.

Unless you pay through the nose for Thunderbolt peripherals, USB-C is just a different shape connector for USB 3.1 and DisplayPort - and the inconvenient truth is that USB 3.1 was already fast enough for most mainstream uses. Even 8 years later, only the fastest, most expensive SSDs actually take advantage of USB 3.1g2 (which could work over USB A if Apple allowed it) while Thunderbolt displays just tunnel DisplayPort (mostly) 1.2b - and TB possibly helped delay the uptake of DP 1.4 because, for years after the introduction of TB, Intel's TB/USB-C chipsets didn't support it.

By the time Apple stopped making laptops with optical drives, I'd already taken the drive out of my MacBook Pro and replaced it with a second hard drive (that could hold dozens of ripped DVDs if needed). It's not that optical drives were no longer useful, but they certainly didn't justify being 20% of the size and weight of a laptop. You can't compare the downside of finding space for a tiny USB-A socket with a honking great, power hungry, vibration-making and unreliable optical drive.

VGA was pretty essential to anybody going to meetings with data projectors for long after Apple removed it - but that was all it was good for, the picture quality and resolution was rubbish compared to HDMI or DP and the connector was never going to fit in a MacBook Air, so dongles were unavoidable. Brilliantly, we were just getting to the stage where HDMI was becoming common in meeting rooms when Apple pulled that from the MBP.

ISTR Apple had to do a U-turn on removing FireWire from the MacBook the first time round. Turns out people didn't want to throw away hard drives with loads of stuff on them or - especially - $1000+ pro audio interfaces where the only thing "better" about newer TB/USB3 models was a different plug. Actually, those interfaces are still perfectly good today (the frequency response of the Mk. 1 earhole hasn't changed) and I feel for those who are struggling to find USB-C to FireWire solutions. However, FireWire never saw mass adoption and it's other big "niche" - MiniDV cameras - was already firmly "legacy" by then with solid state HD cameras taking over. If you had to replace external hard drives - well, they wear out anyway, the newer ones were several times the capacity and 800Mbps FireWire didn't come close to USB 3's 5000Mbps.

ps/2 & parallel port never featured on Macs and are still around on some PCs today if you really need them. A few people out there need serial ports, too - but (as with VGA) you have to draw the line somewhere.

ADB/Localtalk was a proprietary Apple interface (...and there was RS423 via MiniDin which might as well have been proprietary) that restricted the choice of Mac peripherals - within a year or so of Apple switching to USB-C it was much easier to get mice, keyboards, printers, modems for Macs.

None of these remotely compare to the ubiquity USB-A still has - 8 years after Apple tried to force USB-C it on the laptop market - especially when you realise that the majority of "USB-C" peripherals are still only talking USB 3.

Apple did succeed in galvanising the original USB market with the iMac (the clue was everybody making their new USB peripherals out of translucent blue plastic) because it was a desperately needed solution - not a solution looking for a problem.

Buy an adapter then.
I have.
Several.

Now explain how I plug the adapter into a socket that isn't there because Apple have cut the Mini Pro from 6 USB ports to 5 (two of which have been moved to the front so the adapter/cable has to stick out over the desk)

Part of the problem is that - until very recently - there was no all-USB-C alternative to the good old, cheap as chips, USB hub with a gazillion downstream USB A ports. There are now 4-port all-USB-C (not TB) hubs on the market (well, it looks like one product sold with various badges) but thats only been in the last year or two, but again we're talking about replacing perfectly good kit with (still) more expensive kit just for the sake of changing the connector, with no performance gain.

The easiest way to get extra USB ports is still a USB-A hub (I've splashed out on an Element TB4 hub - but even that give me 4 USB-A sockets and only 3 downstream USB-C) so it really doesn't make sense to start replacing USB B-to-A cables with B-to-C cables (including a couple of extra-long & right angle ones) until I can get something with a dozen USB-C ports.

They certainly seemed to be the catalyst for Apple changing- which we know they didn't want to for MFI related profit reasons.
The EU may have provided a nudge, and I'm sure MFI income was why the nudge was needed - but Lightning was coming to the end of its useful life, with iPad Pros needing to support Thunderbolt and 5k displays when Lightning only kinda-sorta supports USB 3.1g1, so we'd be looking at Lightning 2 anyway - interesting question as to whether it would be possible to double the number of connectors in a Lightning plug/socket and keep backwards compatibility without losing the structural strength of a "solid" pin. Since Apple were heavily involved in the design of USB-C I rather suspect Lightning 2 would have looked a lot like USB-C...

The bizarre bit (probably because MFI) is that Apple pushed USB-C as the way forward for Macs while doubling down on Lightning for mobile devices (and Mac peripherals!) - the one area where I'd agree that USB-C is an unqualified improvement is as a mobile device/small peripheral connector (where microUSB was horrible, fast charging was a compatibility nightmare and Lightning was proprietary and expensive and needing dongles/hubs for I/O was unavoidable).
 
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