Well unless something happens later tonight like some are speculating may happen or something happens at Macworld Boston or whatever on the 11th of this month, I'd say September is the soonest we'd see such updates. I'm personally doubting anything happening tonight due to both ibooks and mac minis being listed on apple's site as "same day shipping" but the July 11th still has a little rumor-speculation around it, although to me its feeling less and less likely. I'd put my chips on some kind of big announcement, update, or just something in general in September. I don't know of July's going to provide what everyone (including rumors) have been hoping for, well other then the ipod and ipod photo lines merging to make color 4th gen ipods. If that's all you were hoping for all along, then congratulations! Just my thougts/guess currently...