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Mac OS 10.2.3 Released

Re: TiBook hanging after 10.2.3 install

Originally posted by cgtyoder
Well, I installed 10.2.3 on my 2 PowerMacs, (very similar config to the TiBook) and all went well*; however, when I installed on my 500MHz TiBook, the computer now hangs right before the login screen. Verbose mode doesn't give any useful info, AFAIK, and booting into safe mode (hold down shift) doesn't improve things. I was able to restore from a backup I made of my 10.2.2 system, and I tried again after that, but still no luck. Has this happened to anyone? Any ideas what I can do to fix this? TIA.

-Conrad

* I have been having problems with apps crashing (Entourage, Netscape) in 10.2.3 after waking from sleep, and even got a kernel panic within 1 day of installing 10.2.3.
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that's odd, dude, i had like a freak kernel panic after putting it on my Ti 1Ghz.... well, i was trying to access the files on a windows computer i knew was there on the network but didn't realize the stinking internet connection firewall on XP was turned on on it.

anybody know why OS X handles mounted windows drives so horribly? if i restart the other computer or something before i unmount ("eject" for the maccies) the drive, my finder freezes like crap, and relaunching it doesn't generally help. OS X i deem the goddess (or god) of OSes, except in networking stability, where it sucks as much as every Windows AFTER and not including WinME. it seems like they could apply their finesse to such a noble endeavor--that's my only real criticism with apple, is that they go on to the next feature without perfecting one: i have seen this in printing, HUGELY in iChat... and of course as i say the networking.

Is there some setting, though, on networking, that i am missing?
 
i am running into all sorts of problems now.

mainly if i am editing a toolbar...i cant drag anything to or from it...if i try to drag the current items...they just poof...

i cant drag anyone to my buddylist...i cant drag files to buddies...

copy and paste do not work at all...i have rebooted and repaired permissions multiple times.
 
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Wasn't the MDD fan issue covered w/ a firmware update?

RL
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In a word, No!

Check out the Apple Support pages for PowerMacs and go to the MDD discussion pages. Literally hundreds of complaints about the whining things! I know for a fact mine is often unberably loud, and certainly it cant currently be used for extended periords (kinda defeats OS X's long-running ability!)

IC
 
lots of bits and bobs

my mirrored doors certainly quietened down since the last firmware update, but the railheaddesign.com tip of replacing the main fan made a world of difference.

Also Soldier of fortune 2 now works (before I got a message saying hat an Open GL compatable Grafix card was not detected).

My iChat seems to behave better, my HP printer is not dissapearing any more and a subtle speed diff in the finder. Well worth it if you ask me.
 
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Originally posted by RogueLdr


Wasn't the MDD fan issue covered w/ a firmware update?

RL
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In a word, No!

Check out the Apple Support pages for PowerMacs and go to the MDD discussion pages. Literally hundreds of complaints about the whining things! I know for a fact mine is often unberably loud, and certainly it cant currently be used for extended periords (kinda defeats OS X's long-running ability!)

IC
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Mine has never been unbearably loud and I can hear the hard drive working anytime it accesses. It rarely maybe once in an hour steps the fan up about 1 notch. It has never ran the fan at full speed (except after a system update or the rom update) which I am unscientifically going to say is 6 steps up. It's only when it does the fan cycling as I described before after doing an install that it ever sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Overall I would say it's just slightly noisier then my B/WG3 with a Radeon card. Even when running a cpu intensive game it will only step up to the first notch for a minute and back down maybe every 10 minutes.
 
I've been running OSX since the public beta and let me let you in on a little secret-

3rd parties have no idea WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING

yeah, so if i was you i'd be weary everytime you need to run an installer to use an application, i wouldn't install things which mess with themes, i wouldn't install stuff which requires daemons (which didn't even work right until 10.2 came out, ex- Palm Desktop) and I sure as heck wouldn't install any haxies. If you have a PowerPC sub-G3, upgraded CPU, under 128MB ram or 4GB HDD, beta software which requires an installation or any haxies don't be suprised when bad things happen.

When OSX first came out, Apple designed it so that if they died (MS killed Apple, haha) 3rd parties would be able to continue the OS forever. Thust apple left out easily programmable features (10 lacked a volume control system if you recall). This turne dout VERY poorly and apple has changed their ideals- now they try their best to block all hacks into the OS. Themes would be an example. If apple wants someone to program deeper into the OS they'll work with them directly (such as when Palm needs to program an app which requires a daemon, the PalmDesktopBackground.app).

So kiddies, case in point: Aqua is the best looking UI on the planet, so don't think you're cool changing it. THe new buttons are ugly, so I bet they'll be going away real soon, and if you have some complaint (would like to see more appearence flexability) I think you know what to do:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

As for those who didnt do anything like this and still got shafted by the update, I feel for you, OSX updates are rough sometimes, but that's why backing up is important. Lets you wipe the HD whenever OSX doesn't feel right. Yeah it sounds windows-esque but sometimes you get screwed. As for people with loud fans check xlr8yourmac.com they had an article on installing foam around the fans in earlier PowerMacs, perhpas that would help.
 
Are you saying "Daddy knows best"? "Best-looking UI on the planet" is a little subjective, don't you think? My wife hates it, for one. And those changed buttons ARE very irritating: Apple's own interface is inconsistent. It's not just a question of the "metallic" finish having one type and the non-metallic another. On iPhoto the buttons are not recessed, whereas on iCal, Address Book and iSync they are. What is going on? It's just half-assed. It may be a small point, but if Apple can't get the design right, what chance do 3rd parties have?:confused:
 
Originally posted by brogers
Is it just me or do the little red, orange and green jelly buttons look recessed or embedded in some of the Apple titanium Apps??? Look at Address Book, iSync, Back-up, iChat. Not sure why this would matter or if it is just my computer. Someone chime in if you have the same.
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Yes I've noticed this too :)

How strange...
 
they're just buttons

I just spoke to my mate who "hates" the new buttons. I've seen other people really get upset by them also. Are they precious or what - get out more. If you get that upset about them then you have too much time to waste!
 
I don't really care about the buttons one way or the other, but I think they should be consistent. And it's odd that some people have the serial number and some don't. My iBook has one, my Cube and FP iMac don't.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
I could care less about consistency in appearance. As long as there are still three buttons there and they all still do the same functions I couldn't care if they were dangling tits in one window and apples, lemons, and limes in another.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your line of work/study is NOT interaction design or a related field.
 
Originally posted by sinclairZX81


I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your line of work/study is NOT interaction design or a related field.
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hahaha! classic. Well, we can't all be ergonomists. the psychological effect of the button switch can't be that bad though. i mean, jeez, i had to check in to the local asylum to recover when i saw them, and now i am in a twelve step recovery program... on step 4, i get my mac back on step 7... oy! but seriously, i don't think too many people should flip. i mean, you'd have to be pretty obsessive compulsive to really care that much. of course, the fact that they ruin our haxies every release bothers me. XP doesn't do that--oh wait, yeah it does ;) . LOL
 
iCal

Has no one else tried out iCal, I've just tried it on three different computers and it is so much faster than it used to be, it loads quicker and is much more responsive,

Come on feedback on iCal
 
Still slow and clunky as hell, just like iPhoto.....:(
I can't say I've noticed ANY improvement ANYWHERE. Print Center is still buggy, iApps are still clunky, beachball is still spinning....What the hell took up that 50MB??? New buttons? For those with a dial-up connection, I'd say "Don't bother!":confused:
 
Originally posted by skunk
Still slow and clunky as hell, just like iPhoto.....:(
I can't say I've noticed ANY improvement ANYWHERE. Print Center is still buggy, iApps are still clunky, beachball is still spinning....What the hell took up that 50MB??? New buttons? For those with a dial-up connection, I'd say "Don't bother!":confused:
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My grandpa said they dealt out a new kernel, whihc would explain a lot. anybody know about that?
 
Originally posted by sinclairZX81


I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your line of work/study is NOT interaction design or a related field.
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No I am not at the moment but I have a background in artistic design. My point is not that it is improper for them to do what they have done but that it doesn't effect work output which is what is important.
 
Originally posted by skunk
Still slow and clunky as hell, just like iPhoto.....:(
I can't say I've noticed ANY improvement ANYWHERE. Print Center is still buggy, iApps are still clunky, beachball is still spinning....What the hell took up that 50MB??? New buttons? For those with a dial-up connection, I'd say "Don't bother!":confused:
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You know, I'm having trouble figuring out if you just want to raise your post count or if you are just a whiny-A$$ B****. I mean seriously, listen to you! i see 5 posts on this page. First of all, we all realize that the buttons are screwed up and nobody really cares. The point of these updates are to try and correct some problems that lots of people are getting. How long did it take you to download? I understand some dialups have 2 hours at a time restrictions - that's why you can resume downloads with Software Update. Did that time heavily cut into your productivity? Did you get fired because your boss caught you upgrading in the background? What is the big deal? I've used OS X on a 400 iMac with 64 MB of PC100 since 10.0. Did i come on here and whine about how dreadful it was at times (nearly all the time)? no. Honestly - I don't find the iApps clunky. On this iMac. What are you on? Is your damn computer supported? Because mine isn't even supported and they don't run bad at all (I don't have 128 MB of ram) It takes a tad to get it started up but it isn't as if i have to wait while menus open like they used to. As for iCal - never used it, since my school schedule doesn't follow 15 minute increments, making setting it up very difficult. You have to go through each one and set it 5 minutes ahead, since you can't do it by anything smaller than 15 minutes. If i try to resize one of those custom times, then i have to go back and change it. It runs fast, it's just useless for me. And I doubt you have any understanding at all about the kernel, so don't even bother saying that the upgrade wasn't useful. How on earth do you know? Dude. Stop. Bitching.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit


No I am not at the moment but I have a background in artistic design. My point is not that it is improper for them to do what they have done but that it doesn't effect work output which is what is important.
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well, yeah, i for one will admit that function should precede art, but i still think there is a great value to art, and that it is worth complaining over, if not in this case. i think the should have at least made the sunken things apply to all the metal apps or something. but i don't really care much, i'll bet money they will switch it back or add it to the other metal apps the next time they are updated, which with apple is rarely more than a month or 2
 
At the risk of being accused of trying to raise my post-count again (for what?) I would still like to know just what has been fixed by this enormous upgrade, as it hasn't fixed anything for me. Isn't that what these forums are for? To exchange information and views? So sorry if I'm taking up precious space here.
 
READ!

Originally posted by skunk
At the risk of being accused of trying to raise my post-count again (for what?) I would still like to know just what has been fixed by this enormous upgrade, as it hasn't fixed anything for me. Isn't that what these forums are for? To exchange information and views? So sorry if I'm taking up precious space here.
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If you would read the first post regarding the upgrade you would see what has been updated by following the link at the bottom of that post.
 
Exactly my point. Despite what is claimed, I have noticed no improvements in these areas, and I wondered whether anyone else had. For such a big upgrade, few other people on this board have noted much positive improvement either. I'm curious, is all. I expect those poor sods with only a dial-up connection would like to know if it's worth the hassle of upgrading.
 
Update not upgrade

An Upgrade is a whole new boating trip - an Update is simply addressing all the complaints people have had. I have personally noticed 3 or 4 things that are better on my lovely new mirrored doors mac and very little on my eMac (iCal is faster!) and nothing on my Powerbook or old iMac 333 (yeah I have a load of macs!). It's all down to what you have. If you were to take into consideration all the different configurations and set ups that are possible you would have a figure that would require a very patience person to write down (and a lot of gurning and toilet visits too!).
The fact that you expect to notice a massive increase in performance for a 51MB download is selfish and slap your wrists for suggesting so. Read the fixes - if they concern you do it - if not leave it - do it later when you have nothing better to do (like come here!) , but if you just want to play update guru with your 56k modem then expect to be at the back of the line. I'll shut up now.
 
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