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Originally posted by Marvenp

What kind of car could you buy for $20 a month?

When i read the statement you refer to, I'm pretty darn sure that edvniow meant the money would go to keeping up car maintenence or maybe in addition to current car payments, etc. It isn't like once you buy (or lease) a car you never have to put another dollar into it. :eek:

As for broadband connections, out here your pretty much only option is cable. DSL took us 1 year - a WHOLE YEAR just to get the connection to work! And when it all came to fruition, it was half as fast as cable. They're both around $40 a month here. I live in a town that has so few people we aren't allowed to have our own post office!. We're forced to share a post office with a neighboring town! Can you imagine the shame? I think we have like 2,000 people or something. And we aren't small, it's pretty large. This is upstate new york, if u wonder. But we can get both DSL and Cable - though i have to admit some streets don't have cable lines going down them, but they are getting them now. A friend of mine 2 miles away, still within the limits, has been living off a 56K modem. But the phone lines are so old and terrible, the phone company themselves say the bandwidth is roughly equivalent to a 28.8 modem. However, cable lines just put up after years of begging.

I do not want to sound like i take this all for granted - I am really grateful to be able to afford both a macintosh computer and a high speed cable connection. I don't really need the speed for a business reason, since my "software company" is so small and unimportant nobody would notice if the web page disappeared (actually this is false. When i forgot to renew the domain name, a porn site bought it and i received one or two emails about it. www.scotiasoft.net is now home to mature black women)

My 2 cents
 
Originally posted by Marvenp
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Guys you're missing the point. How much do you think you spend for being online for lenghty sessions. DSL pays for itself when you consider the money you'll be saving on phone bills. I can understand in the ares where it's not available but if it's only $20 more than what you're paying now, then I think that you'll recoup that $20 from a cheaper monthy phone bill.

And the extra benefit is... you'll able to surf limitlessly, exposing you to more opportunities and more and/or better information. You may have to sacrifice a little but I'm sure you could think of ways to come up with $40 or even $60 a month. It just depends on your priorities. How much is your time worth? If surfing is important to you, then you'll find a way to make the cash. It's just that simple.

Sorry if this soundly a little preachy.

What kind of phone service do you have that costs you for local calls over the basic price?

I'm not trying to argue with you I have a Cable Modem by the way that costs me $55/month. If I choose to have ATT Broadband Cable then it will go down $10/month. I just switch from ATT Broadband Cable because I'm saving $27/Month by using a dish for the same channels plus I have to receivers now and a TiVo. ATT really screwed with me. The dropped the $10/Month group discount I had that was for having there Cable Modem and Broadband TV they say now that it was only for the first year. Well after I got my sattelite and dropped ther cable tv I find that my Cable Modem went up $10/month. Turns out they didn't drop the package discount they just upped the base price by $5/month and made the equivalent discount $10/month. Doesn't matter though because I'm still saving $17/month after the extra cost incurred by the Cable Modem by switching to sattelite and I have so much more to boot.

I have priced DSL in my town and even if I can get it it will cost me $50/month. So for the extra $5/month I will stick with my Cable modem and have faster speeds and true no dial up. At work our DSL requires a dial up each morning when we turn on the computer. In my oppinion Cable Modem is far better then DSL. Faster/$ with less hassle and less problems due to distance etc..

I have been considering going back to my 56k modem though. I don't think I ever could I'm too spoiled but it would in no way cost me more then my normal monthly phone bill.
 
Originally posted by edvniow
Look, I'm on a budget, plus no broadband of any kind is avalible where I live.
And even if it was, I would rather spend my extra $20 a month on something like a car or insurance or electricity or whaever. Those things are much more important than fast internet access.

Believe me, I would like nothing more than faster downloads but if you can't afford it, you can't get it.
So until I either: (assunming I move to some place where it's avalible)

1. Get more ca$h

2. Broadband drops down to at most $25 a month

Then I'm stuck with dial-up.

It's that simple.[

And I'm not one of those people earlier in the thread who were complaining about slow downloads from Apple (I didn't even know about that until I was told) I was simply pointing out why broadband isn't feasable for some people.

hehe, i'd probably be in the same boat as you if it weren't for parents and then inevitably college... assuming there is wireless in the dorms. my dad works at dell, makes a decent living, at least enough to have broadband. ironically, he refuses to get full cable and only pays for the basic channels.

anyways, i'm not dissing you; as you say, you weren't complaining, and that's what annoys me. if you think it's worth complaining about, it's entirely in your hands to fix, so the one you should really be whining about is you, not apple. and it isn't that downloads are slow from apple, it's just that 56ks are slow by comparison with broadband.

it's all good.
 
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Re: Re: whats with permissions anyways?

Originally posted by Shadowfax


i can almost guarantee you that you aren't root right now, or you probably wouldn't be asiking this. the root account is disabled in Mac OS X by default. i think you are just what you say--a system admin. that means you can install software and do all sorts of great stuff. but you can't delete the coreservices folder. this is a GOOD thing, you see? if administrators could do that without password prompting, think how easy it would be to write a malicious script and send it to someone who didn't even realize it?

but, OS X isn't totally fool-proof. if you really want, you can go into terminal as an administrator and type "sudo rm -rf /library" and get some more or less unpleasant experiences. i think that'll work. i can't imagine why not. i have deleted fink a few times myself. you have to do it from terminal because the folders are all owned by root. and it always works. "sudo" is the way apple has for you to be root for a single command or execution at a time. it's something very common in linux/unix.

It's not normally my policy to reply without reading the whole thread, but FYI, you can get into a super user shell in the terminal, provided you are an admin and have your admin password by typing the command "sudo -s" and then your password followed by the return key when prompted. it's also possible to enable the root account, I've done that on occasion when the OS was governed by NetInfo. but after Jaguar, NetInfo is just a slice of the directory pie. this is why after 10.1.5 logging into the OS as root becomes a messy businesss. for more infor on all this, I'd recommend O'Reilly publishing's "Mac OS X for UNIX Geeks" -Dibbs
 
Re: 10.2.3 fixes

Originally posted by ilovemyimac
Does anyone know if this fixes the 10.2.2 incompatibility with the Casio QV3000-EX digital camera? This worked until 10.2.2 (with which it doesn't work, notwithstanding the claim on the iPhoto compatiblity list on the Apple website) and has been a great cause of frustration for me. Thanks.

Try looking at the casio website for a driver. I got a camera working a few weeks ago for a friend with 10.2.2 and I am sure it was a Casio model. Not sure which one. There was certainly no driver or app on the apple site. You may not be able to use it with iPhoto, but at least it will load as a disk on the desktop, and then you can manually add them to iPhoto.

Hope this helps.....
 
OSX.whatever and Final Cut Pro

Mac promises all manner of fixes and enhancements for OSX.whatever. Here's a tip, Apple: MAKE IT WORK WITH FINAL CUT PRO!

We're a 10-Mac media shop running (frequently simultaneously!): Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, Cleaner, Avid, Maya, After Effects and miscellaneous Microsoft office-type apps on both OSX and OS9. These cohabitate on various G4s quite happily. My question is this: WHY DOES FINAL CUT PRO CRASH OSX (yes, even Jaguar) ALL THE TIME? Mac wrote it for Mac and it costs a grand! MAYA crashes less on the first rev written for Mac. Does Alias/Wavefront write UNIX code better than Apple?

I have two generations-old, OS 8-9 Macs with every PCI slot filled with aftermarket hardware. They are more stable! I am so sick of repairing and reinstalling and deleting render files on OSX.2 that I reloaded the OS9 version. Guess what? Much more stable!

I've been a Final Cut Pro user since version 1.0. I am a big fan. What is the DEAL with the OSX version? I've been a Mac user since 6.5 and I love the Aqua interface. I'm no Luddite. Can I PLEASE have both Aqua and my thousand-dollar software without resorting to a dual-boot workstation?

Please.
 
Re: OSX.whatever and Final Cut Pro

Originally posted by RHT3
Mac promises all manner of fixes and enhancements for OSX.whatever. Here's a tip, Apple: MAKE IT WORK WITH FINAL CUT PRO!

We're a 10-Mac media shop running (frequently simultaneously!): Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, Cleaner, Avid, Maya, After Effects and miscellaneous Microsoft office-type apps on both OSX and OS9. These cohabitate on various G4s quite happily. My question is this: WHY DOES FINAL CUT PRO CRASH OSX (yes, even Jaguar) ALL THE TIME? Mac wrote it for Mac and it costs a grand! MAYA crashes less on the first rev written for Mac. Does Alias/Wavefront write UNIX code better than Apple?

I have two generations-old, OS 8-9 Macs with every PCI slot filled with aftermarket hardware. They are more stable! I am so sick of repairing and reinstalling and deleting render files on OSX.2 that I reloaded the OS9 version. Guess what? Much more stable!

I've been a Final Cut Pro user since version 1.0. I am a big fan. What is the DEAL with the OSX version? I've been a Mac user since 6.5 and I love the Aqua interface. I'm no Luddite. Can I PLEASE have both Aqua and my thousand-dollar software without resorting to a dual-boot workstation?

Please.


Dude, you might want to check the compatibiliy of your other apps on OS X with FCP. I use FCP daily and I have a lot of plug-ins that make it even heavier like Boris Red, Boris Continnum, CGM plug-ins etc... and I've never have FCP crash on me. Athough at times it does seem a little sluggish running on my PowerBook when I'm out in the field, it has never crashed. I'm also running OS 10.2.3 without any problems and I have Duality 4.0 with themes installed. Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
Re: Re: OSX.whatever and Final Cut Pro

Originally posted by Marvenp



Dude, you might want to check the compatibiliy of your other apps on OS X with FCP. I use FCP daily and I have a lot of plug-ins that make it even heavier like Boris Red, Boris Continnum, CGM plug-ins etc... and I've never have FCP crash on me. Athough at times it does seem a little sluggish running on my PowerBook when I'm out in the field, it has never crashed. I'm also running OS 10.2.3 without any problems and I have Duality 4.0 with themes installed. Maybe I'm just lucky.

I think you are the norm. There is definitely so sort of confilct on RHT3's systems. He has some sort of system hack or he isn't installing on a clean system or something.
 
"You are the norm"

I appreciate your commentary.

I'm a facility manager with over a decade of edit system and mac machine admin experience. Your laptop may work fine with FCP on OSX, and I won't dispute your claim of stability. Our G4 towers have been down to the reformat, reinstall OS, reinstall apps (FCP solo). They still crash.

FCP was written for the previous OS. Worked fine. PORTED to UNIX, naturally, it has bugs, as has the OS. This thread began with the lengthy list of improvements made by Apple for 10.2.3. None of those listed addressed FCP bugs. With the cost of FCP, written by Apple for Apple, I expect it to work better. Lists of similar complaints may be found on 2-pop.com.

Apologies for the earlier rant.
 
Re: "You are the norm"

Originally posted by RHT3
I appreciate your commentary.

I'm a facility manager with over a decade of edit system and mac machine admin experience. Your laptop may work fine with FCP on OSX, and I won't dispute your claim of stability. Our G4 towers have been down to the reformat, reinstall OS, reinstall apps (FCP solo). They still crash.

FCP was written for the previous OS. Worked fine. PORTED to UNIX, naturally, it has bugs, as has the OS. This thread began with the lengthy list of improvements made by Apple for 10.2.3. None of those listed addressed FCP bugs. With the cost of FCP, written by Apple for Apple, I expect it to work better. Lists of similar complaints may be found on 2-pop.com.

Apologies for the earlier rant.

Sounds like you have things figured out. I hope Apple works things out for you soon. Isn't FCP do for an update soon?
 
Originally posted by e-coli
ugh...this is the worst update ever.

Very sloppy.

Unhappy. :mad:

i hope it comforts you to know that while it sucked for you, others of us are just basking in it. sucks for you.

incidentally, i was just getting pissed at my tibook because the fan was going crazy high and wouldn't shut off, and then i noticed my terminal had been, and still was, compiling for 8 minutes or so, which had the CPU at 100% usage, and i didn't even notice (other than from the fans, but there's a physical law about that somewhere). my god, i love this thing.
 
Originally posted by e-coli
ugh...this is the worst update ever.

Very sloppy.

Unhappy. :mad:

I've had absolutely no problems with the 10.2.3 update. Also Apple has made a press release about the new buttons. Apparently they were intentional and are here to stay. They will be updating several other programs to them in the future. I fully expect to see all the Pro programs to use the new buttons and also to get the brushed look.
 
Same here. No probs at all with the update. Huh. Sometimes I don't understand why some have so many issues with updates. I keep a clean sys, don't hack with anything, never touch the terminal, run MacJanitor once a week or so, and fix permissions every once in a while.

Hey look, I'm not denying the fact that others have probs. I'm just curious as to Why.

My large stack of two pennies...
 
LUCKY YOU....

Well, just for the record, I have had 3 kernel panics and two freezes since "upgrading" to 10.2.3. And iPhoto keeps on crashing every time I open it. I too keep a clean system and use MacJanitor regularly. :mad:
 
Re: LUCKY YOU....

Originally posted by skunk
Well, just for the record, I have had 3 kernel panics and two freezes since "upgrading" to 10.2.3. And iPhoto keeps on crashing every time I open it. I too keep a clean system and use MacJanitor regularly. :mad:

i, on the other hand, have a simple solution: get a new apple, especially a high end laptop.

simple, of course, but not cheap.
it's too bad that they seem to have these sporadic things go wrong

they should let us compile the source code on our own machines with GCC 3.2, but nooo, they have to keep it all proprietary!

heh. well i'm sure it'd take about 7 hours to compile that update on the latest Powermac anyhow.

but chances are it'd be more unique to your system.

or it might not work just like before, and then you would have also wasted several hours compiling.
 
about apps that crash in osX... i made some bad experiences with illustrator 10 which crashes from time to time (usage daily - crashes weekly), iphoto kind of same, also explorer, word crashes especially when opening docs from pcs (...) and ical crashes when handling with repetitive events.

but osX itself never crashes...

my system (dual 450) is totally new installed two weeks ago and nothing really changed about the crashing apps...

funny thing is, that apple apps crash the most often, wellcome to the club rht3 :/

hope, that stuff get more stable!
.a
 
Originally posted by skunk
Are you making a point?

there was a joke in there at some point, if that qualifies.

seriously, though, i was saying that if we could get access to source code, we could compile it on our own machines, which would make things considerably more efficient than just getting precompiled binaries. i mean, if you use mozilla, you can cut load times in half, or more, just by downloading the source and taking out support for all hardware but that which you have on your comupter. surprisingly, that's much easier than you think.
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax


there was a joke in there at some point, if that qualifies.

seriously, though, i was saying that if we could get access to source code, we could compile it on our own machines, which would make things considerably more efficient than just getting precompiled binaries. i mean, if you use mozilla, you can cut load times in half, or more, just by downloading the source and taking out support for all hardware but that which you have on your comupter. surprisingly, that's much easier than you think.

This could all just be done by program installers. They should just install needed resources for the computer it's being installed on.
 
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