Mac OS 10.2.3 Released

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by skunk
Exactly my point. Despite what is claimed, I have noticed no improvements in these areas, and I wondered whether anyone else had. For such a big upgrade, few other people on this board have noted much positive improvement either. I'm curious, is all. I expect those poor sods with only a dial-up connection would like to know if it's worth the hassle of upgrading.

it's not worth the hassle if it takes 8 hours to download, no. but that's not really apple's problem. they make bug fixes, and if you are bothered by a bug, there's a chance this will fix it. if you have a bug that wasn't fixed, maybe you should notify them so they can fix it.

you may have noticed that it now has OpenGL 1.4. that's a pretty nice update if you give a hoot about video performance, which the entire system depends on heavily. i was having some problems with iChat closing unexpectedly that this update fixed, as well. if it is true that there is a new kernel under the hood, then that makes it worth it too (for me, at least).

the point is, maybe if you were less pessimistic, you would see some changes. you aren't the only one who's disappointed. i really wanted them to support printing to a windows PC over the network, and i don't have that. i'd also like a better way to look at people's away messages in iChat, not to mention a way to make my own profile conveniently. but why focus on that? iChat was crashing earlier, and now it's at least stable. and my graphics are 15% better, and i would imagine that if you have a GL supporting vid card this thing would be convenient at least.

anyhow, peace out, there is no call for 56K users to get this; they won't be any closer to saving the world.

 

[Doctor Q]

Maybe we should suggest to Apple that they let people walk into any Apple Store with their Mac, plug it into an Ethernet port, and install any available updates over the line.

 

[skunk]

Not unless you have a portable....

I think perhaps a CD might be slightly more practical!!

 

[Codemonkey]

Wondering if it's worthwhile?

Basically, if you like having a security risk sitting on your desk, don't bother upgrading. Seriously, it's not worth your time.

And, in case you can't tell...

 

[Codemonkey]

Ummmm ya.

OK, so I _almost_ regret that last post. It seems rather "bah humbug!"-ish. However, the graphic cracks me up, and my point still stands. I know we all want the OS updates to include a free coupon for a dual gig mobo and chips, but come _on_! It's just an update!

Merry Christmas!

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Wondering if it's worthwhile?

Originally posted by Codemonkey
Basically, if you like having a security risk sitting on your desk, don't bother upgrading. Seriously, it's not worth your time.

And, in case you can't tell...

classic.



about the 56k thing, 56k is a symbol of the 20th century by now, and we are, you may notice, in the 21st. i wouldn't want apple to make something less thorough in the interest of size considerations for the "old world" of the internet. broadband is the way of the future, i (and everyone else in the corporate world) think that broadband is the way to go, the way of the future. If you have 56k, i don't look down on you or anything, but you should realize thatt by using that you are saying that "i know that most places on the internet these days are geared towards broadband, that downloads are ~30 times longer with 56k, and i still think it's all i need." that's probably true, but such a statement, i think, should make you a bit more stoic about this issue if you aren't already. if an OS update were "all that and more," they'd charge for it. this is free. it's not going to make your computer get the paper for you every morning and clean up after itself at the dinner table. if you use 56k, you either don't want to spend the money on something, or you like waiting all that time. which, i must say, is plenty cool. my best friend downloaded about 10 GB of music on a 33.6 modem with napster over a period of 6 months or so, just leaving it on all night. adaptation is a staple of humanity. unfortunately, so is whining, but i like to think we can overcome that one.

 

[skunk]

I have the luxury of a 1Mbit service, but there are many people, in the US as well, who do not. These forums (and MacFixIt, etc) should be where those unfortunates can go to find out if it's worth downloading or not, especially as most of these "bug-fixing" downloads often contain just as many new bugs.

 

[gropo]

Re: iCal

Originally posted by bidge
Come on feedback on iCal

Still loads pretty damn slow on me Sawtooth/512mb...

 

[Codemonkey]

Re: Re: iCal

Originally posted by gropo
Still loads pretty damn slow on me Sawtooth/512mb...

Yup, no visible change as far as I can see either. 384mb G4-450. Bigggest issue I have with it is window resizing. Twitchy is an understatement.

 

[Marvenp]

Been away from this discussion for a while and darn did it get interesting. After reading some of your posts, I feel I have to be the neutral voice of reason.

For those you arguing about the look of the buttons, you are both right. It really doesn't matter as it won't affect work production in any way so who the hell cares if they aren't consistent? But at the same time, one the things that "Stevey Boy" likes to brag about is how good OS X looks. If you are going to make that kind of boast, you should have your $#!t together.

As far as the upgrade goes, any improvement (no matter how slight) is a welcome change and I applaud Apple for constantly trying to make OS X better. For those of you bitching, ask yourself this, would you rather Apple just say this is as good as it's going to get, so like it or leave it. I mean seriously, how could any of you find fault with them trying to improve things. Let's see any of you write an entire OS and then try to support all of the older software (via classic) as well as all of the new stuff from all of the different developers out there without any flaws. Apple has one hell of hard task and I say let's give them a break.

Sound reasonable?

 

[Marvenp]

DSL anyone?

And while I'm at it, what's up with you guys anyway? Haven't any of you heard of DSL. Why the hell would anyone in this day and age still be using a dail-up connection? You sould like Windoze users. I used to have a dual ISDN connection and back then, I thought it was fast but I was paying out the @$$ for my phone bill every month. Now I have DSL line and I can't begin to tell you the joy. Incredible speed (in comparison). No more listening to stupid dail tones and waiting (with fingers crossed) to see if both channels connected properly. DSL is aways on 24/7. Unlimited access for about US$40.00 a month. I think it's well worth it.

STOP WAITING, GO OUT AND ORDER DSL NOW! then you won't be bitching about how long it takes to download Apple updates. I regularly download 100+ MB files in minutes.

Well that's my two cents. Happy Holidays to all. Now go out and have some fun.

 

[mangoman]

I'm with Marvenp. Get broadband fercryinoutloud, or quit cryin'. I live in the sticks and I'VE got broadband for sub $40 a month. It's worth it. I wait for nothing as far as downloads go. And, yes, Apple is on the ball, so let's cut 'em some slack, eh?

Peace and chicken grease,

mangoman

 

[Marvenp]

Re: Update not upgrade

Originally posted by flashfil
An Upgrade is a whole new boating trip - an Update is simply addressing all the complaints people have had. I have personally noticed 3 or 4 things that are better on my lovely new mirrored doors mac and very little on my eMac (iCal is faster!) and nothing on my Powerbook or old iMac 333 (yeah I have a load of macs!). It's all down to what you have. If you were to take into consideration all the different configurations and set ups that are possible you would have a figure that would require a very patience person to write down (and a lot of gurning and toilet visits too!).
The fact that you expect to notice a massive increase in performance for a 51MB download is selfish and slap your wrists for suggesting so. Read the fixes - if they concern you do it - if not leave it - do it later when you have nothing better to do (like come here!) , but if you just want to play update guru with your 56k modem then expect to be at the back of the line. I'll shut up now.

Couldn't have been said any better. I tried, but this is much better.

 

[vniow]

Originally posted by Marvenp
And while I'm at it, what's up with you guys anyway? Haven't any of you heard of DSL. Why the hell would anyone in this day and age still be using a dail-up connection?

1. It's not avalible in all areas where people live.

2. Not everybody can afford an extra $40 a month.

 

[Codemonkey]

Originally posted by edvniow



1. It's not avalible in all areas where people live.

2. Not everybody can afford an extra $40 a month.

True, especially internationally. And there are a crapload of users that still surf at 640x480 too.

However, the price point (in Canada anyway) is within 10 bucks of dialup in most cases, not $40 above what they'd be paying for dialup.

 

[vniow]

Originally posted by Codemonkey


However, the price point (in Canada anyway) is within 10 bucks of dialup in most cases, not $40 above what they'd be paying for dialup.

Yeah, it's about $20 more than dial-up here in the US (I should've said an extra $20 a month) but still sometimes people can't afford even that (assuming it's even avalible.)

 

[mangoman]

So what are we to say? Technology has a price. Some are blessed to partake, some aren't. Apple, meanwhile, is up to speed with technology. Good for them--don't fault 'em for it.

If you got a big pipeline, smoke 'em if ya got 'em. If not, be patient.

 

[Codemonkey]

Originally posted by mangoman
So what are we to say? ... Some are blessed to partake, some aren't. [snip]

LOL No sympathy at all!

rofl. That's ok. Me neither. After likely investing hundreds and probably thousands of dollars in Apple product to allofasudden go "Nup. The buck stops here, no high-speed this year!" then ya. To me if I didn't have high-speed then I may as well cancel the power as well (yes, a fast net connection means that much to my overally digital experience). Without high-speed: "digital photo album services", "web based email" and all those other goodies we all have all hover right around the supremely unenjoyable mark.

But I digress. One large-ish update as opposed to dozens upon dozens of irritating, intrusive piecemeal updates is definitely preferred for me.

Oh, and I don't know about anyone else here, but I HATE rebooting my box. I even cringe after I willingly partake in these necessary ones. Could you imagine rebooting every time a small update came down the pipe?

If you're a Windows user this isn't a dream, it's their grim reality.

"When'd you reboot last?"

"Well, I had a memory leak in some shareware I downloaded the other day.."

"What about before that?"

"The day before last I had a "securiy update" they told me I needed... what about you?"

"Oh, 37 days ago. "

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Codemonkey
"Oh, 37 days ago. "

lol, i haven't managed over a week yet. KDE seems to crash my computer a bit too often. I hate starting up though, especially after a system freeze.

 

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by edvniow



1. It's not avalible in all areas where people live.

2. Not everybody can afford an extra $40 a month.

]

Guys you're missing the point. How much do you think you spend for being online for lenghty sessions. DSL pays for itself when you consider the money you'll be saving on phone bills. I can understand in the ares where it's not available but if it's only $20 more than what you're paying now, then I think that you'll recoup that $20 from a cheaper monthy phone bill.

And the extra benefit is... you'll able to surf limitlessly, exposing you to more opportunities and more and/or better information. You may have to sacrifice a little but I'm sure you could think of ways to come up with $40 or even $60 a month. It just depends on your priorities. How much is your time worth? If surfing is important to you, then you'll find a way to make the cash. It's just that simple.

Sorry if this soundly a little preachy.

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by edvniow



1. It's not avalible in all areas where people live.

2. Not everybody can afford an extra $40 a month.

apple is not responsible for people unwilling to deal out the cash to get DSL/Cable. and while there are a lot of people who can't get DSL because of it's flagrant range shortcomings, cable is generally faster, more widely available, and about the same price. it should be manageable. OS X is for people who spent a pretty decent amount of money on their macs--powermacs, powerbooks, iMacs, iBooks... to spend all that money and balk on the feature that makes your computer the most useful--broadband--seems a little strange to me. shoot, try .mac with 56k. lol. that sounds like a lot of fun. how about a chimera nightly build... lol. none of that. if for some strange reason there is neither cable nor DSL in your area and you have the money to spend on it... my condolences to you, you've picked one of the worst places in america to live, tech-wise. you are part of an increasingly small minority, and, well, apple isn't for computer minorities (LOL!)

 

[vniow]

Look, I'm on a budget, plus no broadband of any kind is avalible where I live.
And even if it was, I would rather spend my extra $20 a month on something like a car or insurance or electricity or whaever. Those things are much more important than fast internet access.

Believe me, I would like nothing more than faster downloads but if you can't afford it, you can't get it.
So until I either: (assunming I move to some place where it's avalible)

1. Get more ca$h

2. Broadband drops down to at most $25 a month

Then I'm stuck with dial-up.

It's that simple.[

And I'm not one of those people earlier in the thread who were complaining about slow downloads from Apple (I didn't even know about that until I was told) I was simply pointing out why broadband isn't feasable for some people.

 

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
if for some strange reason there is neither cable nor DSL in your area and you have the money to spend on it... my condolences to you, you've picked one of the worst places in america to live,

True dat.

Maybe in a year I'll get out of this hellhole.

 

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by edvniow
Look, I'm on a budget, plus no broadband of any kind is avalible where I live.
And even if it was, I would rather spend my extra $20 a month on something like a car or insurance or electricity or whaever. Those things are much more important than fast internet access.

Believe me, I would like nothing more than faster downloads but if you can't afford it, you can't get it.
So until I either: (assunming I move to some place where it's avalible)

1. Get more ca$h

2. Broadband drops down to at most $25 a month

Then I'm stuck with dial-up.

It's that simple.[

And I'm not one of those people earlier in the thread who were complaining about slow downloads from Apple (I didn't even know about that until I was told) I was simply pointing out why broadband isn't feasable for some people.

What kind of car could you buy for $20 a month? These are rough times and even the rich are having to re-think their spending habits. I am in no way rich but I consider broadband an absolute neccessity so I make allowances for it by cutting ends elsewhere.

The time I save not having to wait online translates to more productivity for me. And besides, I don't get the same problems most people have when upgrading their OS probably because I keep ALL of my apps up to date. Thanks to broadband this is a less daunting task and fairly easy. That again translates to less down time and more productivity.

My computer is my investment and means of making money so the more efficient it runs, the better I am able to serve my clients; the better I serve my clients, the more money I make.

I'd say if this applies to anyone here, then DSL is a MUST! (Of course where available).

 

[vniow]

Originally posted by Marvenp
What kind of car could you buy for $20 a month? These are rough times and even the rich are having to re-think their spending habits. I am in no way rich but I consider broadband an absolute neccessity so I make allowances for it by cutting ends elsewhere.

The time I save not having to wait online translates to more productivity for me. And besides, I don't get the same problems most people have when upgrading their OS probably because I keep ALL of my apps up to date. Thanks to broadband this is a less daunting task and fairly easy. That again translates to less down time and more productivity.

My computer is my investment and means of making money so the more efficient it runs, the better I am able to serve my clients; the better I serve my clients, the more money I make.

I'd say if this applies to anyone here, then DSL is a MUST! (Of course where available).

I can completely understand the neccecity of broadband if your job depends on a computer and a fast internect connect, but mine doesn't so I can't justify spending an extra $240 a year for something I don't really need.
I would rather put that money back for car payments, groceries, friday nights out, dinner at a great resturaunt.....I could go on and on but the simple fact is, I don't need broadband and until I can either afford it while making a very minimal compromise or unless I absolutely need it for something essential to my job or something, I'm sticking with dial-up.