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Mac OS X 10.2 Builds...

One nice thing...

...about OSX is that it has a lot of room for improvement. OS9 was pretty much maxed out, it had been optimized and tweaked for ages and had pretty much reached the end of the line (being crippled by crappy memory management and multitasking). OSX starts out slow, but it has a *lot* of ways to improve it.
 
BTW,this does actually apply quite well to windows XP as well.I'its just that this is actually an osX discussion!

"I think the concept of having to pay for any upgrade to windows right now to be a joke.The version that we have already paid for is still a long way from being an acceptable,optimized consumer product,and really we are all just buying the os as is to be windows' guinea pigs for a product that is still largely under construction.An upgrade is when a product is packed full of new features and functionalities that cost tons to develop,an update is when they make what you already own have the functionality that it ought,and I think that we all deserve free updates until this os has been fully functionalized!
Right now in my view,windows xp is still one FAT slow wintel app that still has a long way to go before it becomes an ideal,efficient consumer work enviroment.
I am however looking forward to being able to move fully over to it in the future,even if the whole interface and filesystem strangely reminds me a bit of your ass........not so user friendly.Actually kind of scary!"
 
Spring Loaded folders ???

Whats all this about "I want spring loaded folders in OS X" ???

:eek: I'm pretty shamed to ask this but, everybody's talking about it : what are those spring loaded folders.

And other thing now. In 10.2 i want only 3 things :
1) Just a little more speedy...
2) Switch Users : so you can let your programs run while somebody else logs in on your mac. I think it can't be hard to make this work in 10.2, Unix supports switch Users so why can't they just enable it in Aqua... I'm not a Unix/Darwin wizard, but it can't be that hard, i think...
3) Printerdrivers for HP deskjet 690c
 
Originally posted by rEd Eye
BTW,this does actually apply quite well to windows XP as well.I'its just that this is actually an osX discussion!
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Wow, finally a reply.

Look I was making the point that this can be said of any OS, not just OS X.
WinXP won't be adopted by major businesses for several reasons:
• It's an expensive upgrade
• It's not 100% compatible with everything out there (hardware/software)
• They have a perfectly decent OS (Win2K) and no compelling reason to upgrade.

I work on both PC and Mac systems on a daily basis. I know the shortcomings of each. The Mac has way fewer than the PC, hence my preference for the Mac. As for "blindly self righteous", you coldn't be further from the truth.
I'm just intelligent enough not to be brainwashed by the MS juggernaut.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
 
Not Upgrading to WinXP because

I'm an IT Director of a large business.

Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot, and they don't seem to be trying to change the problem -- they apparently don't see the problem.

ARROGANCE!!

We are not upgrading to XP because of all that ".NET" crap! And I do mean CRAP!

We don't have the time nor the resources to redefine how the IT department will support our systems with XP.

Unfortunately, M$ operating systems give us what we need in our business and Apple OS's haven't - mostly because of third-party apps being too far behind. But, with OS X, that will change very, very soon. It'll take another two years or so before business, like ours, look at OS X as a serious contender, but we are eagerly poised and ready!

Why two years? Because we need to see how this will evolve - software, support, systems integration, video-conferencing issues, etc. There's just too much right now that needs to be upgraded and tweaked -- OS X is still to young.

Take care,
Quark
 
Re: charging for upgrades

Originally posted by elgruga
If they are going to charge, its got to be a real upgrade - speed increase, new apps included, (like Tinker Tool and FruitMenu etc.), much more user defined interface etc.

Right now, it seems that they are still getting 10.1 right.
And, IMHO, it still has a little way to go......
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I think there is little or no chance of FruitMenu being built in to the Operating System, maybe the menu for System Preferences.

I think the main areas that should be targetted are:

• Major bugs should be pushed out and hopefully no minor ones either!
• General Speed, not that its all that bad, I think OSX is far superior to OS9 due to features but Spring Loading folders and Speed we need!
 
"Rower_CPU"

Sorry to bite dude.I kind of gathered that you were just using my words as a reason to knock me down as we have not had the best of luck getting along in a previous thread that I started.It was the"Get real dude! PC whiner..."statement that set me off.....
I was wrong.I'll go and erase my offensive statements now......:(
 
Re: "Rower_CPU"

Originally posted by rEdEye
Sorry to bite dude.I kind of gathered that you were just using my words as a reason to knock me down as we have not had the best of luck getting along in a previous thread that I started.It was the"Get real dude! PC whiner..."statement that set me off.....
I was wrong.I'll go and erase my offensive statements now......
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It's cool man. We've gotten into in other threads...I guess I let that carry over into this one. I'll go take that part out of my message too. :)
 
I don't mind paying.....

...for a well-functioning OS. Especially if that $19.95 goes to making the OS better. But please....how retarded is it that there are still so many things the new OS can't do? I mean, the Mac is a multimedia machine, why can't it play all movie formats? Those of you who occasionally download DivX movies know what I mean.

And I've heard enough about springloaded folders. They'll be there. Don't worry, and shut up about them already. Think of something else they can improve upon....like iTunes and iPhoto. I hate having such a cumbersome main library. What I want is contextual menus, so when I import an album, it puts it one turndown folder for me instead of adding 13 songs to the library. How easy would that be?

What we need is for OS X to be the single greatest operating system ever built! And I don't think that's asking too much, considering all the other operating systems around.

Get the kinks out already, Apple! I'm tired of waiting for OS X to be ready!

And will somebody in Colorado please stop by Quark headquarters and go on a shooting spree? They did a really ****ty job with the OS 9 version, and really need to get their act together. Get some real usability guys in there—not having transparent tables in the table editor—BIG MISTAKE! I remember when Quark 4.0 came out and was buggy as hell before the 4.1 release. Looks like you've just been sitting on your asses for 4 years instead of developing the product! And you took away the Mac Classic look, and made it look boxy and blocky like a Windows App. And forget HTML. Just add PDF functionality, carbonize it, and release it!

Okay, enough griping.
 
Re: I don't mind paying.....

Originally posted by 4380
...for a well-functioning OS. Especially if that $19.95 goes to making the OS better. But please....how retarded is it that there are still so many things the new OS can't do? I mean, the Mac is a multimedia machine, why can't it play all movie formats? Those of you who occasionally download DivX movies know what I mean.
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Actually DivX works fine on OS X. I've had no problem with some third party apps. DivX is not a standard format. You need to dl codecs to run it on PCs too.
MPEG4 is going to blow DivX away, and it will run natively in Quicktime.

I like your point about iTunes, though. Better organization would make handling your music Library easier.
 
what do you think about an update/bugfix for mail.app? i just switched form mozilla mail to mail and the first thing i found is i cant import my mail! (using the netscape import in mail it found 3 of my 14 mailboxes!) o well ill live. but there seem to be a lot of lil bugs in the thing (im still using it because im am stubborn and stupid). also ive wondered why it does have an "i"name. imail would be too confusing since you use it to check your email, but im sure apple could come up with something snazy. anyway of all of apple's software i think mail.app needs the most work but is the most likley to be ignored.
 
Re: Re: I don't mind paying.....

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Actually DivX works fine on OS X. I've had no problem with some third party apps. MPEG4 is going to blow DivX away, and it will run natively in Quicktime.
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"Going to" is EXACTLY my problem with OS X. It's been out (released) for over a year now, and there are still simple things it can't do. Please let me know what apps work well. I'm talking about the Divx movies released on Hotline (especially new releases-not DVD rips). Nothing seems to work in OS X. OS X is "going to be" a killer operating system, and when mpeg4 comes out, Quicktime 6 is "going to be" the most wonderful video player ever.

I like OS X (except for certain things like having to go 4 or 5 levels deep just to find the desktop), but I'm tired of waiting for IT to catch up with ME!
 
Re: Re: Re: I don't mind paying.....

Originally posted by 4380


"Going to" is EXACTLY my problem with OS X. It's been out (released) for over a year now, and there are still simple things it can't do. Please let me know what apps work well. I'm talking about the Divx movies released on Hotline (especially new releases-not DVD rips). Nothing seems to work in OS X. OS X is "going to be" a killer operating system, and when mpeg4 comes out, Quicktime 6 is "going to be" the most wonderful video player ever.

I like OS X (except for certain things like having to go 4 or 5 levels deep just to find the desktop), but I'm tired of waiting for IT to catch up with ME!
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Well, a search on versiontracker.com gives me 6 different ones for you to try, including one from the DivX people themselves.
 
Re: BSD Subsystem

Originally posted by PUSH
Hi KidRed,

what message comes up when you try that in the terminal? Have you used the the subsystem before?
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Nothing, just back to localhost. (No, I didn't type 'is') I tried it with 'a' and it alphabetizes the folders in root. But if I try it with 't' it still lists in the same order and trash doesn't list like it does when I dod it with 'a'.

ah it's CASE SENSITIVE!! hehe, just found that out this minute:)
 
I don't understand...

I didn't pay for my 10.1 update. I went to CompUSA and picked one up. That update was free. I agree the $20 charge if you wanted it mailed to you was kind of crappy, but that's why I didn't have them mail it.
 
Re: Spring Loaded folders ???

Originally posted by SubFredZero
I'm pretty shamed to ask this but, everybody's talking about it : what are those spring loaded folders.
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I hope I didn't overlook a previous answer to this question, but I didn't see one. Spring-loaded folders are heaven for dragging files around. Imagine you've downloaded a file to your Desktop. You want it in your Documents folder. You have to start opening Finder windows, then closing them when you're done.

Okay, with spring-loaded folders, you just (for example) put a shortcut to your home directory on the desktop. Drag the file over the shortcut, wait a second, and a finder window of your home directory pops up automatically. Drag the file over the "Documents" folder in your home directory, hold it a second, and another Finder window comes up with the contents of your Documents folder. Drag the file into that window and drop it. The file is moved, and the two Finder windows that opened when you hovered over their icons close automatically.

This is by far the most useful thing ever invented in the history of mankind. It's all downhill after spring-loaded folders. ;)
 
how about this add on?

why can sherlock not index disks? as well as spring loaded folders, I should not have to buy a cd program just to index all the disks...let the OS do some of this simple tasking huh? then I could automatically click the "search archived drives" (zip, cd,dvd etc) as well as my home folder, and other connected drives.

and as far a spring loaded folders go, why can I not drag something to the title bar on each open finder window and let the icon (or name) act the same way, this will keep your desktop and dock patially free of aliases
 
Re: Re: BSD Subsystem

Originally posted by Kid Red



ah it's CASE SENSITIVE!! hehe, just found that out this minute:)
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To make in NON CASE SENSITIVE use the -i option, as in "grep -i". "find" is another extremely powerful tool in unix. For either of these commands (or any others) open a terminal and type man XXXX e.g. "man find" and you will get a complete description of how to use the particulare command. :D
 
Re: I don't mind paying.....

"And will somebody in Colorado please stop by Quark headquarters and go on a shooting spree? "

You should try Indesign by Adobe. I'm in the process of learning it right now and I find it far less user-hostile than Xpress.
 
You can in the Terminal

Originally posted by kishba
i wish finder windows could do that... automatically show/hide files that match the letters i'm searching for
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You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/
 
Re: You can in the Terminal

Originally posted by zal


You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/
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i just wish it were in the finder window... it'd be easier for me to work with that way...

but thank you still, i will use this a lot (i'm certain of it)
 
Re: You can in the Terminal

Originally posted by zal


You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/
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Or you can save a keystroke and just hit TAB...:D
 
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

C'mon. You can't even say that OS X is a viable platform yet. It's this stupid waiting game for one thing to be ready or another! I can't even sync up my Palm in OSX (okay, so I can use the public beta if I want, but I can't sync with Entourage yet!). So what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting for everyone to catch up, or switch back to OS 9? I'm awfully tempted. After Effects doesn't have many plugins carbonized, Photoshop isn't shipping (yeah yeah they're "finished"—I'll believe it when I have it in my hands), Quark's ages away from even caring, Quicktime needs some serious adjustments and additions, font handling in X is HORRIBLE, iPhoto stores THREE versions of my picture (an original, one in the library, a thumbnail) AND a file to link them. Pretty inefficient. You think I have nothing better to do with the 20 gigs on my cube?

Grrrrrrrrrr.......

Am I wrong in feeling this frustration?
 
Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Originally posted by 4380
C'mon. You can't even say that OS X is a viable platform yet. It's this stupid waiting game for one thing to be ready or another! I can't even sync up my Palm in OSX (okay, so I can use the public beta if I want, but I can't sync with Entourage yet!). So what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting for everyone to catch up, or switch back to OS 9? I'm awfully tempted. After Effects doesn't have many plugins carbonized, Photoshop isn't shipping (yeah yeah they're "finished"—I'll believe it when I have it in my hands), Quark's ages away from even caring, Quicktime needs some serious adjustments and additions, font handling in X is HORRIBLE, iPhoto stores THREE versions of my picture (an original, one in the library, a thumbnail) AND a file to link them. Pretty inefficient. You think I have nothing better to do with the 20 gigs on my cube?

Grrrrrrrrrr.......

Am I wrong in feeling this frustration?
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Uhhhh....Palm released their FINAL software for OS X yesterday dude...
What adjustments do you foresee for Quicktime?

Since OS X is actually a BRAND NEW OS, and not a revamping of previous technology (ie. Windows XP), it will have some growing pains. I'm willing to wait for an OS that will actually move computing forward, rather than keep it stuck in the past.
 
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