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crees! said:
I don't understand what this desktop/sidebar volume mounting business is all about? Every time I connect to a network or another computer it mounts on the desktop and in the sidebar for me. I'm sure there are other issues that need to be addressed that might be causing this for some people.

About printing there is one thing that really, really bugs me. When you print.... if you want to switch the orientation to Landscape or Portrait you have to go to Page Setup.. which I ALWAYS forget about. It's not in the Print dialog. When the Print dialog comes up there are so many options and there is no reason it can not be done from there. You can go to Layout Options in the Print dialog but you can't change the orientation? Come on now. I really would like to know the reasoning behind this.

Oh, and when typing in textfields like this one if you could undo your mistakes (cmd-z).... like the one I just made and forgot what I typed previously, that would be great.. "mmmm yeaaaaaa" (b. lumberg).
the page setup isnt going to change its been that way for years in 7 8 9 x
 
Zaty said:
The fact, that Apple keeps releasing new interim seeds, can IMHO mean two things, first, and that seems to be obvious, they want to get it right this time and secondly, (provided that Rev B PM G5s do need 10.3.3) couldn't it also mean, that the new PMs are not yet ready for release and won't be announced for some time. Don't they have to finalize the OS update at least a few days, if not weeks, before the new machines are being shipped in order to create OS images and restore CDs/DVDs for the new revision? So I think, as long as the final 10.3.3 is not released, the launch of new PMs can't be iminent.

Your explanations fit into my theory that there will not be a major announcement till WWDC. That give Apple plenty of time to finalize both projects. :)
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
when connected via AirPort wireless, AppleTalk shares don't show up on the Network icon. I haven't yet tested an Ethernet connection.
Are you sure you have Appletalk turned in on in Directory services? It's OFF by default...so you might want to double check.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
I'm having an equally perplexing issue with network shares (well, it isn't on my computer, but I'm helping this person solve it). Anyway, the problem is that when connected via AirPort wireless, AppleTalk shares don't show up on the Network icon. I haven't yet tested an Ethernet connection.
In addition to turning on AppleTalk in Directory Services as DHagan4755 said, you may need to make sure that it's active for the AirPort interface (i.e. go to the Network pane in System Preferences, select AirPort from the "Show:" pop-up menu, click on the AppleTalk tab, and make sure that "Make AppleTalk Active" is checked). **Note that, at least in Jaguar, AppleTalk would only be active for one interface at a time (e.g. Ethernet or AirPort), even though you could check the box in the Network pane for any number of interfaces.** This may still be the case in Panther. Hopefully someone who's reading this knows...

HTH
WM
 
xenotek said:
I recently installed upwards of 700 fonts and suddenly neither safari, ichat, nor apple's mail would work for morer than a few seconds before crashing. I thought it might be the fonts, so I took them out and the iapps started to work properly again. Does Panther have a limit for the number of fonts displayed in a menu? They should really work this issue out in the next update.

Yikes. You should never have that many fonts "enabled" at one time - use Font Book to control which fonts are on/off. Only enable the ones you need, ATM used to do this, along with font substitution and smoothing.
 
why don't you demand that the software support the way that you work?

corradokid said:
Yikes. You should never have that many fonts "enabled" at one time.

Why not?

Why are you apologizing for what is obviously a weakness in the design of the software? Why should a user even care about (or have to count) how many fonts she has?

Clearly, the software is broken and should be fixed - don't blame the user....
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
I'm having an equally perplexing issue with network shares (well, it isn't on my computer, but I'm helping this person solve it). Anyway, the problem is that when connected via AirPort wireless, AppleTalk shares don't show up on the Network icon.

How are you connected?

You need to have the Airport set to bridge to the wireless network for this to happen. The airport is a router, and if routers didn't block this stuff by default, you'd not only be able to see the computers you wanted to see, but every computer connected to the internet. :)

Bridging was an option on the old single port Airports. On the new two port Airports, bridging is on the LAN port and off (of course) for the WAN port.
 
AidenShaw said:
Why not?

Why are you apologizing for what is obviously a weakness in the design of the software? Why should a user even care about (or have to count) how many fonts she has?

Clearly, the software is broken and should be fixed - don't blame the user....

Absolutely right - the implementation of fonts and font control should be PERFECT and seamless on an OS with such massive support in the creative arena. There should never have to have been Suitcase, or ATM, or Wysiwyg Menus and all those other workarounds- Apple should have sorted this out years ago, instead they gave up after the graphics industry largely ignored their truetype implementation ( except for pc :eek: )

Fontbook is too little too late. They should properly fix the entire way they use fonts.
 
WM. said:
In addition to turning on AppleTalk in Directory Services as DHagan4755 said, you may need to make sure that it's active for the AirPort interface (i.e. go to the Network pane in System Preferences, select AirPort from the "Show:" pop-up menu, click on the AppleTalk tab, and make sure that "Make AppleTalk Active" is checked). **Note that, at least in Jaguar, AppleTalk would only be active for one interface at a time (e.g. Ethernet or AirPort), even though you could check the box in the Network pane for any number of interfaces.** This may still be the case in Panther. Hopefully someone who's reading this knows...

HTH
WM

Sadly, AppleTalk doesn't seem to be available for AirPort connections in Panther (Network pane of System Preferences). It is enabled in both places. AppleTalk only shows up in the Ethernet interface (there isn't a tab for AppleTalk when AirPort is selected as the interface to configure).
 
tmornini said:
How are you connected?

You need to have the Airport set to bridge to the wireless network for this to happen. The airport is a router, and if routers didn't block this stuff by default, you'd not only be able to see the computers you wanted to see, but every computer connected to the internet. :)

Bridging was an option on the old single port Airports. On the new two port Airports, bridging is on the LAN port and off (of course) for the WAN port.

The wireless connection is made from an AirPort card in the computer to a Linksys Wireless Access Point. Therefore, I don't have this configuration option you mention.
 
mvc said:
Absolutely right - the implementation of fonts and font control should be PERFECT and seamless on an OS with such massive support in the creative arena. There should never have to have been Suitcase, or ATM, or Wysiwyg Menus and all those other workarounds- Apple should have sorted this out years ago, instead they gave up after the graphics industry largely ignored their truetype implementation ( except for pc :eek: )

Fontbook is too little too late. They should properly fix the entire way they use fonts.

What's wrong with font handling in Mac OS X? I've had absolutely no font troubles since getting Mac OS X with the PowerBook 667 I used to have. I had Microsoft Office X installed on it (which installs lots of fonts, and I no longer use), and never once suspected corrupt fonts. Have I just been lucky, or is it because I've never installed other fonts that didn't come with an application?
 
mvc said:
Absolutely right - the implementation of fonts and font control should be PERFECT and seamless on an OS with such massive support in the creative arena. There should never have to have been Suitcase, or ATM, or Wysiwyg Menus and all those other workarounds- Apple should have sorted this out years ago, instead they gave up after the graphics industry largely ignored their truetype implementation ( except for pc :eek: )

Fontbook is too little too late. They should properly fix the entire way they use fonts.

Right again. All versions of Mac OSX up to now are a _MAJOR_ pain in the a** when it comes to font management, printing and management of the infamous desktop clutter. It's really strange that Apple who boasts the advance of its interface would leave such important parts of it in such a unpolished state ??!! Exposé for example is very sexy but it's useless IMHO when working with similar looking windows and doesn't adhere to one simple interface rule : no moving targets ! And just to round it off the window hiding "feature" sucks big time. Try hiding a two or more windows in Safari, then switch to the Finder, then switch back to Safari... see what I mean ? Like it or not but the much critisized "Task Bar" in the PC world is still more efficient to use. It's really laughable. I must be masochist to use this overpriced/overhyped stuff.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
The wireless connection is made from an AirPort card in the computer to a Linksys Wireless Access Point. Therefore, I don't have this configuration option you mention.
I guess there is way to set the access point as a bridge, whether it is a Linksys or some other brand. You need to disable its NAT (aka IP address sharing) features I believe. You will probably also need to turn the DHCP off on the access point if there is already a DHCP on your network.
 
worked for me since 1984

since 1984, i have owned macs, every update ,patches, every operating system upgrade i have ever installed, installed WITHOUT A PROBLEM !
 
NicoMan said:
I had never heard of that expression before (and I DO know what orthogonal means in terms of geometry).

Yes, it's a bit of techno-jargon that's changed a bit from its original meaning...


From http://www.dictionary.com

Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2003 Denis Howe


orthogonal adj. [from mathematics] Mutually independent; well separated; sometimes, irrelevant to.

Used in a generalization of its mathematical meaning to describe sets of primitives or capabilities that, like a vector basis in geometry, span the entire `capability space' of the system and are in some sense non-overlapping or mutually independent.

For example, in architectures such as the PDP-11 or VAX where all or nearly all registers can be used interchangeably in any role with respect to any instruction, the register set is said to be orthogonal. Or, in logic, the set of operators `not' and `or' is orthogonal, but the set `nand', `or', and `not' is not (because any one of these can be expressed in terms of the others).

Also used in comments on human discourse: "This may be orthogonal to the discussion, but...."
 
NicoMan said:
I guess there is way to set the access point as a bridge, whether it is a Linksys or some other brand. You need to disable its NAT (aka IP address sharing) features I believe. You will probably also need to turn the DHCP off on the access point if there is already a DHCP on your network.

Okay, I will investigate this possibility. I do not need the NAT feature enabled or DHCP because both of those functions are provided by our router.
 
spinko said:
Right again. All versions of Mac OSX up to now are a _MAJOR_ pain in the a** when it comes to font management, printing and management of the infamous desktop clutter. It's really strange that Apple who boasts the advance of its interface would leave such important parts of it in such a unpolished state ??!! Exposé for example is very sexy but it's useless IMHO when working with similar looking windows and doesn't adhere to one simple interface rule : no moving targets ! And just to round it off the window hiding "feature" sucks big time. Try hiding a two or more windows in Safari, then switch to the Finder, then switch back to Safari... see what I mean ? Like it or not but the much critisized "Task Bar" in the PC world is still more efficient to use. It's really laughable. I must be masochist to use this overpriced/overhyped stuff.

First of all, regarding Exposé, the windows must move around for it to do its job. Having the windows move when Exposé is activated is a "necessary evil", if you will. Which window hiding feature are you referring to? The "Minimize to Dock" hiding or the "Show Desktop" feature of Exposé? I must admit that I've never tried hiding windows, switching applications, then switching back to where I was. Maybe I should try this and report back on these forums?

<edit> By the way, you hit the nail on the head regarding the desktop clutter issue. As far as I know, Mac OS X doesn't include any method for organizing icons put on the desktop by a particular user.</edit>
 
I haven't hidden apps since Exposé was released. I like being able to see every open window or just seeing all open windows in the same app.

I just don't get how the windows taskbar, which just shows a name can be easier than Exposé which shows a name and a picture.

Sorry it doesn't seem to work for you but it has made things much easier for me. Especially the ability to drag and drop from within Exposé. Can you do that with the Windows Taskbar?
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
<edit> By the way, you hit the nail on the head regarding the desktop clutter issue. As far as I know, Mac OS X doesn't include any method for organizing icons put on the desktop by a particular user.</edit>

Correct me if I'm wrong but can you go to view options, and keep arranged checked and have the desktop organize icons however you wish? I only have my 2 hard drives, idisk, and sometimes my ipod on my desktop anyway...I hate having a lot of icons on my desktop.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
First of all, regarding Exposé, the windows must move around for it to do its job. Having the windows move when Exposé is activated is a "necessary evil", if you will. Which window hiding feature are you referring to? The "Minimize to Dock" hiding or the "Show Desktop" feature of Exposé?

(sorry if I'm off-topic)

I was referring to the "Minimize to Dock" feature... I acknowledge that some people may prefer to stack all windows and have them all visible. I mostly use 3-4 applications at the same time and switch between them very often. I seem to be constantly adjusting window sizes (on the tiny triangle on the bottom of the window) and window positions to accomodate my workspace). This never seemed to be a problem in OS9 because one rarely had multiple programs open due to memory limitations or fear of provoking a crash. Now, with OSX it is natural to have 10+ apps open at any one time which is very nice but there is no real solution to handle then efficiently. Having to hit F9 or some other key to activate it doesn't strike me as beeing very intuitive. I've programmed the middle button on my 3rd party mouse (thank you Apple) to show all windows (exept the ones hidden by the "Minimize to Dock" feature which just adds to the confusion
 
mustang_dvs said:
The bug you're referring to, which affected 20" iMacs, was only in the initially-seeded build of 10.3.3 and was never released to the public. And 10.2.7 was never offered via the SWU panel because it was a compatibility release for the G5 hardware, not for other Macs.

Well, I don't know if it's been said and I don't have time right now to read the entire thread, but 10.2.7 was also released with the new PowerBooks as well as the G5's...but I do imagine you're correct in your assertion that it wasn't available via SU....
 
zync said:
Well, I don't know if it's been said and I don't have time right now to read the entire thread, but 10.2.7 was also released with the new PowerBooks as well as the G5's...but I do imagine you're correct in your assertion that it wasn't available via SU....

zync, you are correct regarding Mac OS X V10.2.7. It was only included with PowerMac G5s and other new computers released between its arrival and that of the first, buggy 10.2.8 (like the PowerBooks; was there another?). It was never released via Software Update.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
zync, you are correct regarding Mac OS X V10.2.7. It was only included with PowerMac G5s and other new computers released between its arrival and that of the first, buggy 10.2.8 (like the PowerBooks; was there another?). It was never released via Software Update.

Yeah I was going to mention that. The original poster wasn't sure what OS version it was that was buggy....he typed 10.2.7? I guess mustang_dvs didn't see his question mark? Anyway, yeah, it was the initial release of 10.2.8....
 
kcmac said:
I haven't hidden apps since Exposé was released. I like being able to see every open window or just seeing all open windows in the same app.

I just don't get how the windows taskbar, which just shows a name can be easier than Exposé which shows a name and a picture.

Sorry it doesn't seem to work for you but it has made things much easier for me. Especially the ability to drag and drop from within Exposé. Can you do that with the Windows Taskbar?


I'm not sure what exactly you mean by dragging and dropping from within Exposé....what would you do with drag and drop in Exposé? Did you mean the dock possibly? In Windows you can drag things to the taskbar. Actually they're very similar. For most drag and drop type stuff the dock excels but there is one thing that Windows does that totally beats out the dock, but not in terms of clutter.

Windows programs like IE can open multiple windows. Each window in certain programs on MS systems is a seperate task, that way when IE crashes only the window that has the problem would die, leaving the rest of the pages open. In OS X they're all children of a single instance of Safari or IE or whatever so when one page has a fatal error they all die. This bugged me when IE crashed on my Mac a while back, before I could finally use Safari for everything (though it has crashed too just not as often). Now I'm not saying Windows was able to easily back out of an IE crash and leave you with the rest of the windows all the time but it stood more of a chance. If this could be done with OS X somehow I know it would work better than the Windows implementation. I'm going to suggest this to Apple.

What bothers me is that I like to hide programs sometimes (not on the dock but actually by using HIDE) but when I use Exposé they remain hidden. This is also true of windows residing in the dock. It would be nice that when you use Exposé to see all windows, you actually see all windows including those visible, hidden, and residing in the dock. I'm going to suggest this to Apple as well.

One last thing that I'm going to suggest is that when you Cmd-Tab to an Application, if it has hidden windows it opens up at least the last window you were working on! It's pretty annoying to Cmd-Tab to something and get nothing to show up. For that I might as well just click on the dock icon!

I'd also like to see a folder view similar to the filmstrip view in Windows XP. I think 2000 may have also had that feature.

Do these things bother any of you guys too? I just came from the Windows world last September. I've only had my PowerBook for about 6 months now so these things are still fresh in my mind. Overall though OS X totally blows Windows out of the water!
 
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