Mac OS X 10.3.3 (7F43) Seeded

[wdlove]

since 1984, i have owned macs, every update ,patches, every operating system upgrade i have ever installed, installed WITHOUT A PROBLEM !

I have been with Apple myself since 1984 also. Don't remember any really big glitches either.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

I have been with Apple myself since 1984 also. Don't remember any really big glitches either.

I started in 1986, but I've also had very few troubles with Macs I've owned. The only exception I can remember was when I bought my current computer, a 17" iMac, and experienced random freezes and kernel panics after I used it for 5 minutes or so. Even that was solved (relatively) easily - a trip to the local Apple Store and a Power Management Unit reset cured the problem; it's been (major) glitch-free ever since.

 

[bousozoku]

since 1984, i have owned macs, every update ,patches, every operating system upgrade i have ever installed, installed WITHOUT A PROBLEM !

I guess you missed 7.5.x on PowerMac. I restarted the machine more in a month than I have with Mac OS X in a year. Error 10 and 11 appeared far too often. If I didn't see one of those errors in two days' time, I didn't have the machine powered on. It wasn't until 7.6.1 that things were truly stable.

I'm not always happy about the way things are today, but they're better than they were--even the font file situation. Anyone remember Font/DA mover or Suitcase from way back when?

 

[mustang_dvs]

The original poster wasn't sure what OS version it was that was buggy....he typed 10.2.7? I guess mustang_dvs didn't see his question mark? Anyway, yeah, it was the initial release of 10.2.8....

Okay, I mis-interpreted it as the poster saying that '10.2.7 was pulled from general release due to bugs' or something along those lines.

 

[zync]

Okay, I mis-interpreted it as the poster saying that '10.2.7 was pulled from general release due to bugs' or something along those lines.

Thought so 😀

 

[hayesk]

I guess you missed 7.5.x on PowerMac. I restarted the machine more in a month than I have with Mac OS X in a year. Error 10 and 11 appeared far too often. If I didn't see one of those errors in two days' time, I didn't have the machine powered on. It wasn't until 7.6.1 that things were truly stable.

I can only assume it was 7.5.2 - the first OS on the first PCI Macs - yep, lots of bugs in that one. 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 were very stable though.

 

[bousozoku]

I can only assume it was 7.5.2 - the first OS on the first PCI Macs - yep, lots of bugs in that one. 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 were very stable though.

7.5.x means every release of 7.5, which would include a 7.5.9, if it had existed.

 

[beg_ne]

Exposé for example is very sexy but it's useless IMHO when working with similar looking windows and doesn't adhere to one simple interface rule : no moving targets ! And just to round it off the window hiding "feature" sucks big time. Try hiding a two or more windows in Safari, then switch to the Finder, then switch back to Safari... see what I mean ? Like it or not but the much critisized "Task Bar" in the PC world is still more efficient to use. It's really laughable. I must be masochist to use this overpriced/overhyped stuff.

1. I've never had a problem discerning different windows when Expose'd, if there is any doubt, just mouse over them and see the title, easy.

2.I don't see the big deal with Expose and the moving target rule, it's not like the windows move around after they are expose'd and you have to chase after them. After you're done all the windows go back to where they were and all windows expose to the same location where they were(or close enough atleast). Seems easy enough to me. I'd much rather deal with the "trauma" of having easily recognizable windows that scale and move into an orderly fashion than have to go through the time wasting procedure of digging though half a dozen windows moving and resizing some as i go along to find the one thing i want.

3. Please explain what you mean by "hiding feature". Do you mean minimizing or actually hiding (Command+H), or something else and what's wrong with it exactly?

I'd almost gather from your parting lines that you are actually a PC troll who has had little to no experience using Expose. Your Windows taskbar comparison is really laughable IMO. I run windows everyday at work, and had used windows basically everyday extensively since Win95. Expose is far and away better than the taskbar ever could be.

After the windows taskbar gets more than about 4 different windows listed it becomes exponentially useless.

There are two equally useless options for the windows taskbar.
A) Window grouping. Which usually means i have 1 group that says "Microsoft Outlook" one that says "Mozilla Firefox" and one that says "Macromeida Dreamweaver" with one or two ungrouped windows.

At this point i have to make atleast 2 clicks to find a window and i have to move my mouse away from all the windows to the taskbar to even check. Whats worse is that the grouping has caused a moving target, as the 6th window i opened up is now grouped in 2nd place with the first mozilla window i opened up. Whats worse is if lets say i'm testing 2 or 3 pages from the same site, from the grouping all the mozilla windows will have the same title tag making it impossible to choose the one i want without randomly clicking through each window listed in the group.

B) Dont use groups and have a dozen 50 pixel wide listings in the taskbar, with oh so useful names as "M.." "M...", F...", "Ja...", "In...". Completely useless and also creates moving target as the listings get more and more squashed.

 

[spinko]

1. I've never had a problem discerning different windows when Expose'd, if there is any doubt, just mouse over them and see the title, easy.

if you open several windows with the same title (command-n) for instance then Exposé them. They are all the same.

2.I don't see the big deal with Expose and the moving target rule, it's not like the windows move around after they are expose'd and you have to chase after them. After you're done all the windows go back to where they were and all windows expose to the same location where they were(or close enough atleast). Seems easy enough to me. I'd much rather deal with the "trauma" of having easily recognizable windows that scale and move into an orderly fashion than have to go through the time wasting procedure of digging though half a dozen windows moving and resizing some as i go along to find the one thing i want.

I'm sorry but in my working pattern I seem to be chasing after them all the time..

3. Please explain what you mean by "hiding feature". Do you mean minimizing or actually hiding (Command+H), or something else and what's wrong with it exactly?

No, I meant command-M = minimizing, sorry. To minimize a series of windows from a same app you can option-click the (-) icon. When you switch back to the app all you get is the menu bar at the top of the screen. How are you supposed to know that the series of minimized icons on the right side of the dock belong to the app especially if you have minimized windows from more than one app ? You have to hover over the minimized icons or use the "windows menu". I don't think either is better than the winblows counterpart.

I'd almost gather from your parting lines that you are actually a PC troll who has had little to no experience using Expose. Your Windows taskbar comparison is really laughable IMO. I run windows everyday at work, and had used windows basically everyday extensively since Win95. Expose is far and away better than the taskbar ever could be.

I've been using Macs for a very long time. I'm actually more of a Mac troll who's just had to discover Windows XP. The reason being Macromedia: Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Flash all run much faster on a PC (unless of course you own a 2x2Ghz G5 computer or you plan to get one but then you don't because the "old" ones haven't been updated in months.. but that's another story). I also prefer the compact stuck-together style interface on XP to the floating-around style interface on OSX which continually needs to be repositioned and rearranged.

After the windows taskbar gets more than about 4 different windows listed it becomes exponentially useless.

There are two equally useless options for the windows taskbar.
A) Window grouping. Which usually means i have 1 group that says "Microsoft Outlook" one that says "Mozilla Firefox" and one that says "Macromeida Dreamweaver" with one or two ungrouped windows.

At this point i have to make atleast 2 clicks to find a window and i have to move my mouse away from all the windows to the taskbar to even check. Whats worse is that the grouping has caused a moving target, as the 6th window i opened up is now grouped in 2nd place with the first mozilla window i opened up. Whats worse is if lets say i'm testing 2 or 3 pages from the same site, from the grouping all the mozilla windows will have the same title tag making it impossible to choose the one i want without randomly clicking through each window listed in the group.

B) Dont use groups and have a dozen 50 pixel wide listings in the taskbar, with oh so useful names as "M.." "M...", F...", "Ja...", "In...". Completely useless and also creates moving target as the listings get more and more squashed.

the Dock isn't much better at that. See the minisucle icons on the right side and the total absence of any form of grouping. Besides the fact that it is always getting in the way or slow to appear when in hidden mode... (But i think we are off topic again 🙂

 

[beg_ne]

10.3.3 out

10.3.3 just showed up in my software update! Sweet!

 

[spinko]

yes ! and they've changed the dock into a task bar 🙂

 

[WM.]

Sadly, AppleTalk doesn't seem to be available for AirPort connections in Panther (Network pane of System Preferences). It is enabled in both places. AppleTalk only shows up in the Ethernet interface (there isn't a tab for AppleTalk when AirPort is selected as the interface to configure).

It works just dandy for me. You really don't have an AppleTalk tab? For me, on 10.3.2, when I'm configuring the AirPort interface, it looks like this:

( AirPort | TCP/IP | AppleTalk | Proxies )

(I love ASCII art!! 😀 )

Assuming you are seeing that tab, you should try disabling AppleTalk for the Ethernet interface and then enabling it for AirPort. Maybe restart after doing that to make sure.

Although there is plenty of weirdness when it comes to AppleTalk on OS X, it does work (pretty much flawlessly for me). If you're having problems where you're not seeing tabs in the UI or it's not working at all, something is seriously wrong with your system. Again, check to make sure that the box in Directory Services (correction: Directory Access) is checked.

HTH
WM

 

[spinko]

Sadly, AppleTalk doesn't seem to be available for AirPort connections in Panther (Network pane of System Preferences). It is enabled in both places. AppleTalk only shows up in the Ethernet interface (there isn't a tab for AppleTalk when AirPort is selected as the interface to configure).

I had the same problem. In my case it was due to the fact that the Access Point device I used (D-Link DWL900AP+) didn't support Appletalk. So, any Appletalk printers for example wouldn't show up in the printer list.

 

[zync]

if you open several windows with the same title (command-n) for instance then Exposé them. They are all the same.



I'm sorry but in my working pattern I seem to be chasing after them all the time..



No, I meant command-M = minimizing, sorry. To minimize a series of windows from a same app you can option-click the (-) icon. When you switch back to the app all you get is the menu bar at the top of the screen. How are you supposed to know that the series of minimized icons on the right side of the dock belong to the app especially if you have minimized windows from more than one app ? You have to hover over the minimized icons or use the "windows menu". I don't think either is better than the winblows counterpart.



I've been using Macs for a very long time. I'm actually more of a Mac troll who's just had to discover Windows XP. The reason being Macromedia: Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Flash all run much faster on a PC (unless of course you own a 2x2Ghz G5 computer or you plan to get one but then you don't because the "old" ones haven't been updated in months.. but that's another story). I also prefer the compact stuck-together style interface on XP to the floating-around style interface on OSX which continually needs to be repositioned and rearranged.



the Dock isn't much better at that. See the minisucle icons on the right side and the total absence of any form of grouping. Besides the fact that it is always getting in the way or slow to appear when in hidden mode... (But i think we are off topic again 🙂

How come I say the same thing that he says and you reply to him 😀 Oh well, I pretty much mentioned what you said as well....actually it's his fault, he must've not seen my post! In any case I already had you guys' conversation a page ago.

 

[TorbX]

yes ! and they've changed the dock into a task bar 🙂

They what? What is that?

 

[Yvan256]

I've never heard of these before but they look really cool! I want one!!!

Question though: presumably it uses up ink or something to burn that on - where/how do you refill?

LightScribe burns the label side of special LightScribe-capable media. There's no printing involved.

You need a LightScribe-capable drive, LightScribe-capable media, and LightScribe-capable software.

And unlike the one from Yamaha, this one can "print" on the whole surface, and the contrast is much better.

 

[Montserrat]

How did this thread get back on the Front page rumours bit? I know I'm not helping by adding to the thread, but wtf is going on?

By the way Exposé is so hot (Belated response to message thread)

 

[johnnyjibbs]

How did this thread get back on the Front page rumours bit? I know I'm not helping by adding to the thread, but wtf is going on?

By the way Exposé is so hot (Belated response to message thread)

Yvan256 dug up an old thread to provide the answer to my question, hence it is back on the front page for being "hot" (i.e. recent posts). Nothing more.