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Mac OS X 10.3.6 Update Now Available
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I'm not so sure I'm happy with the Safari update - though I don't know if it's an old problem. After installing the upgrade I noticed my 12" 1.33 GHz PB spending a lot of time with the CPU fan on. Lo and behold, Activity Monitor tells me that, even though the program is sitting idle as far as I'm concerned, Safari is maxing out the available processor time. Certain websites do it. Though I haven't figured it out completely, it may be related to the animated GIF problem mentioned earlier - for instance the main page and the forums page for MacRumors max out the CPU, but this compose page does not. Seems the only way to solve the problem is to close the offending Safari tab/window. I never noticed the problem until the CPU fan prompted me to check Activity Monitor, so I can't say it didn't happen before Safari 1.2.4.
Anybody else have this problem?
Anybody else have this problem?
Is my beloved TiBook dying???
Hello fellow Mac addicts! I have had my TiBook 667 (first model) for just over 3 years now, and have had the many typical problems with it as most people, all which have been fixed. There has been a LOOOONG time without any problems with it, basically all through Jaguar and on until Panther 10.3.5. But, now suddenly (at the worst time of course), it looks like I may be screwed. Here's what's up:
I saw that 10.3.6 came out, so I waited a few days to see reviews, and they generally seemed positive except for firewire stuff, which I am not concerned about. So, I did my usual preparations before updates, and ran an fsck -yf, then ran Onyx (repair permissions and clean cache and such), then hunkered down for the LOOOONG update through Software Update (14 megs is even large on my 2k/sec dialup connection, so 90+ for the combo updater was out of the question). It installed fine, and I restarted, ran fsck -yf again, and Onyx again, restarted AGAIN, zapped the PRAM, and hoped for the best. My computer started getting slower and slower, until Photoshop just sat there with the beachball for 20 minutes before I force-shutdown (couldn't force quit anything even). Upon restart, I noticed my hard drive started making a loud, irregular buzzing sound, almost like a fan on the fritz, and it took literally almost 15 minutes to start up! And then, once it did, spinning beachball hell! I tried running FSCK again, and starting up from the Panther CD and running everything, but nothing was found! I called tech support and they of course wanted to charge $50 for the answer, so I basically said screw you, I can't afford that right now (I am a college student). Of course, a project in class was due the next day, so I am dead in the water... Any ideas??? I NEED HELP NOW! I MISS MY TiBOOK ALREADY! I KNEW I should have backed up before the update...
Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks -JB
(Titanium Powerbook G4 667, OS 10.3.6, 1 gig of original Apple installed RAM)
Hello fellow Mac addicts! I have had my TiBook 667 (first model) for just over 3 years now, and have had the many typical problems with it as most people, all which have been fixed. There has been a LOOOONG time without any problems with it, basically all through Jaguar and on until Panther 10.3.5. But, now suddenly (at the worst time of course), it looks like I may be screwed. Here's what's up:
I saw that 10.3.6 came out, so I waited a few days to see reviews, and they generally seemed positive except for firewire stuff, which I am not concerned about. So, I did my usual preparations before updates, and ran an fsck -yf, then ran Onyx (repair permissions and clean cache and such), then hunkered down for the LOOOONG update through Software Update (14 megs is even large on my 2k/sec dialup connection, so 90+ for the combo updater was out of the question). It installed fine, and I restarted, ran fsck -yf again, and Onyx again, restarted AGAIN, zapped the PRAM, and hoped for the best. My computer started getting slower and slower, until Photoshop just sat there with the beachball for 20 minutes before I force-shutdown (couldn't force quit anything even). Upon restart, I noticed my hard drive started making a loud, irregular buzzing sound, almost like a fan on the fritz, and it took literally almost 15 minutes to start up! And then, once it did, spinning beachball hell! I tried running FSCK again, and starting up from the Panther CD and running everything, but nothing was found! I called tech support and they of course wanted to charge $50 for the answer, so I basically said screw you, I can't afford that right now (I am a college student). Of course, a project in class was due the next day, so I am dead in the water... Any ideas??? I NEED HELP NOW! I MISS MY TiBOOK ALREADY! I KNEW I should have backed up before the update...
Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks -JB
(Titanium Powerbook G4 667, OS 10.3.6, 1 gig of original Apple installed RAM)
displaced said:
USB Overdrive seems to be the alternate choice instead of the Logitech driver.
The Marble Mouse attached to the OBM (Old Beige Mac) that runs a USB PCI card: The marble mouse must be disconnected from the port and then reattached to make the mouse respond after a reboot.
As with anything about a computer: YMMV.
All computers are responding 100% properly when the computer has it's power source removed. No Power? Then the computer should be OFF.
Hi All,
Great forum - first post. I can tell I'm way out of my depth here, but hope to learn a lot.
Like a handful of others, my boss downloaded the 10.3.6 software update and said that it crashed near the end of the process. Upon reboot, it stalls at the Window Login on the progress bar.
Safe boot didn't work, and neither did running Disc Warrior's latest version.
He's out of warranty and didn't purchase Applecare. Is there ANYthing left to try before we wipe everything and lose his data? He hasn't backed-up in many months (I know, I know)...
Thanks in advance for any advice!
~Chris
PS - It seems the new version of Disc Warrior does the optimization inside the rebuild process - correct? I have an old version where it was a separate step...it also used to take hours to optimize, whereas this new version we just bought took 15 minutes or so...has it really come that far!?
Great forum - first post. I can tell I'm way out of my depth here, but hope to learn a lot.
Like a handful of others, my boss downloaded the 10.3.6 software update and said that it crashed near the end of the process. Upon reboot, it stalls at the Window Login on the progress bar.
Safe boot didn't work, and neither did running Disc Warrior's latest version.
He's out of warranty and didn't purchase Applecare. Is there ANYthing left to try before we wipe everything and lose his data? He hasn't backed-up in many months (I know, I know)...
Thanks in advance for any advice!
~Chris
PS - It seems the new version of Disc Warrior does the optimization inside the rebuild process - correct? I have an old version where it was a separate step...it also used to take hours to optimize, whereas this new version we just bought took 15 minutes or so...has it really come that far!?
entelechy said:Hi All,
Great forum - first post. I can tell I'm way out of my depth here, but hope to learn a lot.
Like a handful of others, my boss downloaded the 10.3.6 software update and said that it crashed near the end of the process. Upon reboot, it stalls at the Window Login on the progress bar.
Safe boot didn't work, and neither did running Disc Warrior's latest version.
He's out of warranty and didn't purchase Applecare. Is there ANYthing left to try before we wipe everything and lose his data? He hasn't backed-up in many months (I know, I know)...
Thanks in advance for any advice!
~Chris
PS - It seems the new version of Disc Warrior does the optimization inside the rebuild process - correct? I have an old version where it was a separate step...it also used to take hours to optimize, whereas this new version we just bought took 15 minutes or so...has it really come that far!?
First Archive and Install from the 10.3 installer disks that are newest:
1. If the machine came with 10.3 or later use those disks.
2. If the machine came with 10.2.8 or less use the retail 10.3 installer disk which are black with a white and gray X logo. They should NOT say Update on them, they should not say a Mac model name on them.
Archive and install directions are here, and don't forget to dismount and disconnect any third party peripherals:
http://www.macmaps.com/Macosxspeed.html#ARCHIVE
Then upgrade using the combined update to the last known working version of the operating system. Combined update links can also be found in the above link. Be sure to repair permissions before and after applying the update. To repair permissions go to Applications -> Utilities -> Disk Utility -> select hard disk in Disk Utility -> Click on first aid, and click repair permissions. This is something you should do every time you update.
You do not need to lose data to downgrade. Just make sure to follow the directions. If you have any questions, you can sign the guestbook on my website.
MacSA said:
Unfortunately they have absolved themselves of all responsibility of that. Read the license agreement each update has carefully. Backup your data at least twice prior to any update. That way, if the backup should fail to read, you'd be able to get access to the other backup. There seems to be more of a Firewire bug with 10.3.6 than earlier versions of 10.3 since 10.3.3 was released. So be careful, only update when no 3rd party peripherals are connected.
Good update fro me, no probs so far and samba client picks up the windows machine instantly now, where as b4 it took about a minute after opening the network in finder to see them. very handy in the world of windowz.
entelechy said:
Repair Permissions BEFORE and AFTER ... ANY ... updater.
No problems noted on either of my Mac's.
The 10.3.6Patch would not install on my G4 which needed more than the patcher's tweak. That's not a "problem", that is a "feature".
... you can tell a Boss, but you can't tell a Boss much.
Return of the Mac
How can so many folks have all these problems with 10.3.6 and Apple hasn't even addressed it yet? I can't remember a more problematic upgrade (though I'm relatively new to OSX). The posts here surely reflect that. I finally had to re-install from my 10.3.4 cd. Many hours of work lost. But hey, iPod's rock!! Go Steve! When you're off the U2 tour maybe you could check in on your software developers.
How can so many folks have all these problems with 10.3.6 and Apple hasn't even addressed it yet? I can't remember a more problematic upgrade (though I'm relatively new to OSX). The posts here surely reflect that. I finally had to re-install from my 10.3.4 cd. Many hours of work lost. But hey, iPod's rock!! Go Steve! When you're off the U2 tour maybe you could check in on your software developers.
Same here. I had a 3rd party peripheral firewire hard drive connected prior to, during, and after the update. Nothing really changed afterwards as far as the hard drive's concerned.wdlove said:
Here's a couple of other interesting bugs I've discovered...
I've found my network connections sometimes drop. Yesterday, for example, my PowerBook lost its connection to my AirPort Base Station entirely. My PC laptop could see the network, but I could not. I've also noticed that I will have difficulties reached Web sites or Entourage will error out because it can't connect to the server. This seems to happen more often with Airport, but sometimes with wired connections to. I have a PC connected to the same outlet (meaning, there are 2 RJ-45 jacks which both go to the same wiring closet), and I don't seem to experience that with my PC.
Additionally, my Bluetooth status bar disappears after a reboot, even though the Bluetooth preference pane has it checked. I have to uncheck it, go to another pane, then re-check it for it to appear. Yesterday, my Bluetooth connected froze altogether - my mouse and keyboard would't respond, and the spinning beach ball appeared whenever I moused over the icon in the title bar.
I've repaired permissions; I've even run DiskWarrior from a separate OS X volume, and still the same.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to remedy this, I'd be happy to hear them...
I've found my network connections sometimes drop. Yesterday, for example, my PowerBook lost its connection to my AirPort Base Station entirely. My PC laptop could see the network, but I could not. I've also noticed that I will have difficulties reached Web sites or Entourage will error out because it can't connect to the server. This seems to happen more often with Airport, but sometimes with wired connections to. I have a PC connected to the same outlet (meaning, there are 2 RJ-45 jacks which both go to the same wiring closet), and I don't seem to experience that with my PC.
Additionally, my Bluetooth status bar disappears after a reboot, even though the Bluetooth preference pane has it checked. I have to uncheck it, go to another pane, then re-check it for it to appear. Yesterday, my Bluetooth connected froze altogether - my mouse and keyboard would't respond, and the spinning beach ball appeared whenever I moused over the icon in the title bar.
I've repaired permissions; I've even run DiskWarrior from a separate OS X volume, and still the same.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to remedy this, I'd be happy to hear them...
Do not do this update.
My year old iBook has worked like crap since I did it. I have three macs, and I always test updates with the most expenable one first.
My hard drive immediately began to make loud noises, like it was about to fry. This is a consistent problem I have read. Then today, I could not start it up.
While the hard drive could be in the theros of frying, I think it was the update. Now, I have to re install everything. Waht a pain in the a**.
My year old iBook has worked like crap since I did it. I have three macs, and I always test updates with the most expenable one first.
My hard drive immediately began to make loud noises, like it was about to fry. This is a consistent problem I have read. Then today, I could not start it up.
While the hard drive could be in the theros of frying, I think it was the update. Now, I have to re install everything. Waht a pain in the a**.
JJTiger - very true indeed
Thanks again to Gopher for compiling that page - very helpful! I used Target Disc Mode to get his Address Book info (didn't back that up either), and saved it onto my computer.
We just installed Jaguar from the discs (Archive & Update), repaired permissions, and am in process of installing Panther.
Many thanks again for the helpful advice!
~C
Thanks again to Gopher for compiling that page - very helpful! I used Target Disc Mode to get his Address Book info (didn't back that up either), and saved it onto my computer.
We just installed Jaguar from the discs (Archive & Update), repaired permissions, and am in process of installing Panther.
Many thanks again for the helpful advice!
~C
Oy, this is what I get for being an early update adopter.
I'm worried about my PowerBook now, especially with the reported laptop hard drive problems. At least my machine is under warranty...
I guess will back it up tonight to make sure I don't lose my data.
I'm worried about my PowerBook now, especially with the reported laptop hard drive problems. At least my machine is under warranty...
I guess will back it up tonight to make sure I don't lose my data.
All I have to say is...wow. This update has caused more problems for more people than even the "legendary" first 10.2.8 update. It seems that I've been one of the lucky ones and have experienced no trouble at all with the update.ibookin' said:
JSJ1TG said:
I have an 15"FW800 running 10.2 when I bought it and have updated withing a week or two each time one was made available. Not exactly cutting edge, but wanting to keep current. I noticed, prolly after about 10.3.5, maybe 10.3.4, that Safari turns my AlBook into an electric blanket. Thank the Lord I live in Wisconsin! But that's not how it should be. I know that quitting Safari draws immediate results. I imagined the many hacks into files I wasn't granted permission to alter was the culprit, so a clean install and update to 10.3.6 was something I was looking forward to. Alas, I still have my electric blanket. Though, just as you mention, it only occurs with certain pages and I can see no pattern. Furthermore, sometimes it only uses most of my processor, not the remaining. So, that's where we rest. No answer; only issues.
I lost firewire after this update. Luckily the day before I had done a complete backup.
Today I spent a couple of hours on the phone with Apple Support. They tried every trick they could and in desperation even an Archive and Install. Nothing worked. Returning to 10.3.5 did not fix the firewire issue either.
My iBook is only 2 weeks old (4 days outside of the returnable "DOA" option). Neither my external HD or iPod will mount.
Apple (in the US) emailed a small program called "Capture Data" which I had to run and then return email them the resulting dmg file for further analysis. I haven't heard back yet as this was only this morning.
There is definetly an issue with this update. When I suggested I should take my iBook in for repair the Tech on the phone asked me to first wait for the result of the "Capture Data" report analysis.
I don't understand what might have happened. Surely this update hasn't hosed the firewire port? I suspect that it is somehow blocking the port.
Today I spent a couple of hours on the phone with Apple Support. They tried every trick they could and in desperation even an Archive and Install. Nothing worked. Returning to 10.3.5 did not fix the firewire issue either.
My iBook is only 2 weeks old (4 days outside of the returnable "DOA" option). Neither my external HD or iPod will mount.
Apple (in the US) emailed a small program called "Capture Data" which I had to run and then return email them the resulting dmg file for further analysis. I haven't heard back yet as this was only this morning.
There is definetly an issue with this update. When I suggested I should take my iBook in for repair the Tech on the phone asked me to first wait for the result of the "Capture Data" report analysis.
I don't understand what might have happened. Surely this update hasn't hosed the firewire port? I suspect that it is somehow blocking the port.
wrldwzrd89 said:
No. You are not a "lucky one". Most people have not had problems with the 10.3.6 updater.
Most people leave well enough alone. If it's not broken, don't fix it. They don't deliberately scramble the default file locations, nor do they change the default file names. They keep the OS language and their paid-for applications language the same. For these people, it's just another update.
To err on the side of caution, these people REPAIR PERMISSIONS before and after applying the updaters.
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I am amazed by the number of whiners who have deliberately screwed up their computers.
Some very loud whiners who fail to accept responsibility for screwing up their computers, and who were hoping that the 10.3.6 update would fix their old mistakes, need something to blame. So they are blaming the updater.
The worst offenders are: hackers who think that they are "Software Developers".
... hackers.
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I didn't have any problems with the first 10.2.8 updater, nor have I had problems with any of the 10.3.x updaters.
... disappointments yes, problems no.
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A successful update requires that the files that will be updatered are located where the updater is expecting to find the files, and that the files still retain their original names.
... Defaults.
Manually scattering the files across partitions, manually re-naming files, manually mixing old with new or new with old OS files, manually mixing multiple foreign language OS files and app's,...
... because you can, not because it's required: is shear folly.
The only files I mess with are my personal Documents, in the Documents folder.
I figure that some smart engineers at Apple wanted the OS files and the Applications files in certain locations for a reason.
Updaters might have been one of those reasons.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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.. and now back to whining about when Apple will release a G5 laptop