syklee26 said:
The lawyers go marching in, hurrah, hurrah.
The lawyers go marching in, hurrah, hurrah.
The lawyers go marching in,
the little one stops to check his brief
And they all go marching down to the court
To sue someone, Sue! Sue! Sue!
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The lawyers go marching in, hurrah, hurrah.
The lawyers go marching in, hurrah, hurrah.
The lawyers go marching in,
the little one stops to check his brief
And they all go marching down to the court
To sue someone, Sue! Sue! Sue!
seashellz said:
It can if people just buy the OS instead of a box. If I'm about to buy a $1500 mac, and instead I buy a $129 OSX install disk and a $999 peecee, you don't think that could hurt apple?
whocares said:I really hope this doesn't mean that Apple will start using serial numbers and activation... what a pain in the a-double-S that would be
Especially since it would't make it even the tiniest bit harder to crack.
I'm sure Apple has alerted their lawyers, but what can they really do?
seashellz said:
- Is it because Apple makes their scratch off of hardware, not software?
- Is it because Apple has complete control over the hardware, and therefore can guarantee that it "works"?
- Is it because Apple doesn't want to be on the other end of tech support when OSX doesn't work with someone's SoundBlaster card?
- Is it because people like me, given the option, would by clones (PowerComputing) because of money-related issues?
Believe it or not, my desires quite often outweigh my pocket, and I gotta cut corners. If the option existed, I would still be using my crappy Dell, with OSX on top, and I wouldn't even be aware of what a nice piece of hardware this 17" Powerbook has been to me.
You gotta realize that OSX is so stable and all of that because Apple is presenting a vertically integrated package here, much like iPod/iTMS. That method is usually much better than when two different tech suppliers meet somewhere in the middle (like when a hardware manufacturer and a software manufacturer have to work out how to make their technologies "work together")
seashellz said:
Yes, it can, because the few million (sic) more customers will expect it to work.
Why do you think Windows sucks? Because MS only hires incompetents???? No...
Well, this was expected, I'm frankly surprised it took this long... The only positive is that it gives me hope that the reverse will soon be possible and someone will collect the $11,300 reward from http://www.winxponmac.com, and I can finally buy that Mac for the living room.
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milo said:
And that's assuming that you plan to BUY the OS X install disc so you can hack it and install it on a PC.
Let's be honest, how many "hack OS X to run on my cheap Dell" folks would actually buy the disc?
UH OH.......
If history is any guide, Apple will combat this agressively with any means legally at their disposal.
Why isn't OS X tied to EFI?
Doesn't this mean that OS X is booting on machines with plain old ordinary BIOS? The Macintels are using EFI; I'll admit that I'm kind of stupid when it comes to this stuff, but how is it that OSX86 doesn't require EFI to boot?
Doesn't this mean that OS X is booting on machines with plain old ordinary BIOS? The Macintels are using EFI; I'll admit that I'm kind of stupid when it comes to this stuff, but how is it that OSX86 doesn't require EFI to boot?
seashellz said:
No, but it can hurt apple a LOT when they're forced to support every PC configuration out there. Apple tech support isn't great rigth now to begin with. What happens when people start dragging their Dell towers to the Genius bar because it doesn't work with their crazy add-on sound card they bought off the back of a truck?
Andrew Beard
I, too, can't understand this "free software" mentality.
Durrrr, Apple has invested millions and billions of dollars on Mac OS and Mac hardware, and if some snot-nosed kid (or adult) who's as white as a ghost and has never seen the light of day because he's on his computer, hacking all day can rip off all their billions of dollars of work, they cease to be profitable.
Then, eventually, there's no more Macs, no more Mac OS, no more iPods, no more Apple.
It's illegal, and I hope Apple Legal prosecutes each and every person who they find to have done it.
Durrrr, Apple has invested millions and billions of dollars on Mac OS and Mac hardware, and if some snot-nosed kid (or adult) who's as white as a ghost and has never seen the light of day because he's on his computer, hacking all day can rip off all their billions of dollars of work, they cease to be profitable.
Then, eventually, there's no more Macs, no more Mac OS, no more iPods, no more Apple.
It's illegal, and I hope Apple Legal prosecutes each and every person who they find to have done it.
Lord Blackadder said:
I think that Appler should hire this Maxxuss person to help them protect their OS.
Lord Blackadder said:
He has been releasing patches since the developers released their Intel PowerMac's with 10.4.1. He has patched 10.4.1 through to 10.4.4. I only tried 10.4.3 and 10.4.1, both work fine with limited drivers. The community after running OS X on PC is huge, at least the webpages and forums, guides and compatibility lists are all over the web if you just did a "OS X X86" search on google. This has been around for a long time...
I don't know if Apple Legal will do anything about it, OSx86 was leaked and cracked not too long after the dev kits were shipped last year and all they did was send a cease and desist letter to people showing videos of it. Hell, ZDnet (granted the UK arm) posted videos as well and Apple Legal was silent.
Oh, and it turns out EFI isn't required, its been hacked to use an ordinary BIOS.
Oh, and it turns out EFI isn't required, its been hacked to use an ordinary BIOS.
What do you think of this scenario?
The X86 versions of OS X "phone home," and Apple has the IP address of every customer that is not running it on Apple hardware. Pretty soon, they'll be sending letters to customers about a lawsuit, similar to what the RIAA has done. I think that it is possible, because all OS X computers are in constant contact with Apple, checking for updates. It wouldn't surprise me if they recorded your IP and hardware details.
Just my thoughts...
The X86 versions of OS X "phone home," and Apple has the IP address of every customer that is not running it on Apple hardware. Pretty soon, they'll be sending letters to customers about a lawsuit, similar to what the RIAA has done. I think that it is possible, because all OS X computers are in constant contact with Apple, checking for updates. It wouldn't surprise me if they recorded your IP and hardware details.
Just my thoughts...
Maxx Power said:
The problem is, as soon as those early patches were announced, plenty of people started joining Mac Rumors and asking questions about it - and the majority of them got their copy of OS X from bittorrent. Personally I think it is unwise to run a hacked OS unless you are just doing it for experiementation, and I think it is totally wrong to run a pirated OS for any reason.
Anyway, it is inevitable that people are going to hack OS X to work on non-Apple hardware, but hardware support for it will always be poor.
People who buy Macs buy them for the image, the allure of the system - of what it symbolizes. Some people are making the analog to this argument: "Well, I can get as good of coffee at Dunkin' Donuts as I can Starbucks, so why bother going to Starbucks." That's wrong - Starbucks has based their entire business on a premium product with an image. A girl seeing the same guy on the same street corner carrying either Starbucks or Dunkin' will generally have a better impression of the guy with the "gourmet coffee." That's all image.
Mac is no different. It's a premium product with an allure. What that allure is personal; they've achieved attraction to their system with a number of concepts: iPod integration, Mac OSX, Hardware Design, Software Design. If you want to buy OSX to run on your Dell, they probably figure they are getting - at the very least - incremental sales from the OS. The person that hacks away at their OSX is not the type of person who buys into the image of Macs - and therefore, was not part of the target audience. In essence, most people who go down this path weren't going to buy a whole Apple "system" anyway.
So the whole Apple idea isn't about price parity. It's not about cost competition. It's not about individual components. It's not even really about cutting-edge or technological breakthroughs. It's really a new business model for the personal computing world that attracts fans due to the whole concept - not just the sum of all its parts.
Mac is no different. It's a premium product with an allure. What that allure is personal; they've achieved attraction to their system with a number of concepts: iPod integration, Mac OSX, Hardware Design, Software Design. If you want to buy OSX to run on your Dell, they probably figure they are getting - at the very least - incremental sales from the OS. The person that hacks away at their OSX is not the type of person who buys into the image of Macs - and therefore, was not part of the target audience. In essence, most people who go down this path weren't going to buy a whole Apple "system" anyway.
So the whole Apple idea isn't about price parity. It's not about cost competition. It's not about individual components. It's not even really about cutting-edge or technological breakthroughs. It's really a new business model for the personal computing world that attracts fans due to the whole concept - not just the sum of all its parts.
seashellz said:
I seriously doubt Apple wants to get into the business of writing drivers for all the thousands of options out there in the PC hardware world. Apple's approach has always been to use a limited set of hardware and make sure it "just works"with their OS. Apple can hardly guarantee the Apple experience on all the hundreds of video, sound, and wireless cards out there.
Of course, if the demand were there to make it financially worthwhile, who knows? Maybe that would change. But, if trying to produce an OSX for PC ended up creating a hash out of the most elegant operating system currently commercially available, that would be a rather Pyrrhic victory. Be careful what you wish for!
Fiveos22 said:
It isn't hard to imagine that a PC with Opterons or P4 EEs would run OS X blazing fast.....but it would be buggy as hell. This is really just a proof of concept hack; I imagine it is totally impractical for day-to day use.
esaleris said:
I think that is a gross generalization...the Mac does have a very strong brand image, it's true. But Macs also have a reputation for higher-than-average build quality, a strong integrated application suite and high level of security, among other things. They aren't just computers for the image-conscious.
whocares said:
You don't think so? The publicity around the whole Real Networks thing didn't seem to hurt them. Of course, they were going after a company, not individual users, that time.
