Mac OS X 10.4.4 Intel Patch for PCs

[whocares]

Basically, there would be nothing worst than seeing someone running Mac OS X on a non-optimized Mac.

If you can't afford a Mac (come on now, you're telling me that you couldn't have given up Starbucks for a month and save an additional $100.00 and get a Mac Mini) then you do use one.

Am I an elitist, you bet. Just because some one can't afford what I can, doesn't mean that they have the right to ruin what I can afford, but cheapening it's value!

I'm glad to hear that you're in college, but please try to work on both your grammer and spelling (and don't give me any lame ass excuses either!).

Whatever!

Just noticed your UID (2872).

Ladies and gents, I present to you the oldest non-tar-eligible active MR member [to my knowledge].

Hardware is the difference. Througput. x86 can't compare to RISC. There is now NO DIFFERNCE AT ALL between a Dell and a MacIntel (relavtively speaking).

And your point is? Mac's are slower than a non-existing, RISC-based, OS X-running computer?

It's pretty obvious from current offerings that RISC-based architectures can't compete with x86 outside the high-end server market. Of course if your have a few tens of billions of dollars to invest in the processor industry, you'd make a few members here happy with a 3Ghz G5.

Hardware isn't the difference. Money is.

 

[Arcus]

no its more like im a poor college student trying to get by in life that also happens love apple and Mac OSX. Unfortunatly I only had 400 dollers to spare for a computer so I had to go make myself a custom PC with what I could. These candy/weenie-whoes-never-kissed-a-girl people are getting down and dirty and putting a ******** of work to make it one day possibile for people as myself to runn the OS I love on my crappy PC.

Dont open your mouth when you live such a comfrable life and can put down 2k on a new mac. There are lots of people less fortunate than you.

So when Im broke and I mug your mom to take her cash and feed my family thats cool with you right? Ok then..

And before you accuse me of being 'rich' check my list of Macs. Certainly not state of the art but I enjoy them none the less.

 

[harveypooka]

Sorry, but this irritates me. This "all software should be free" mentality is getting far too pervasive.

How long do you expect "good news" if you don't support the company providing it? If you want a Mac, buy a Mac. There are a lot of people who have poured untold YEARS of development time into OS X; the least you could do is support them.

If you don't, and Apple goes under (theoretically speaking, of course), we'll all be stuck with Windows And no one wants that.

I kind of agree. Forcing a company to release it's software for free won't really work. I think Apple would most likely shutdown rather than release? You think they would have released OS9 as freeware now if that was the case. Why shouldn't we buy software that someone has made? It works for freeware. Opensource rocks, but the opposite, bought software rocks too. Don't force a company to give their software away for free! It won't work!

Also
"Dont open your mouth when you live such a comfrable life and can put down 2k on a new mac. There are lots of people less fortunate than you." is just rubbish. I don't have money for 2k Mac's too, but it's a choice...I mean, computers are not neccesary for your life...if you can't afford it don't by it. Or save.

 

[whatever]

Sorry to sound harsh, but people in your situation should be "getting down and dirty and putting a sh*tload of work" to better their lifestyle so they are able to afford the consumerist goods they want. Time spent on getting the OS you love on your crappy PC is a *waste* of time in the long run.
You could have picked up a second hand Mac and be running OS X on that with 400$. It wouldn't be the fastest Mac around, but it would do the job just fine. I guess it's all about priorities.
Apple for invading people's privacy without them knowing
Sure, they used to be Merdarolas*, so what's the difference?
*French 101 required to get joke.

And how would Apple be invading someone's privacy?

So are you saying that if I walked into a convenience store and held them up and my crime is captured on video tape, I should be able to sue the convenience store for invading my privacy by taping me!

Stealing is stealing. Apple currently designs there software to run only on their hardware. The only way to currently get their software is by buying one of their systems. So if you're dumb enough to run a tool such as Software Update, which sends system information to Apple and Apple discovers a crime don't they have the right to defend their intellectual property? Granted once OS X 10.5 comes out this could all change, but as of today.... Stealing is a crime!

 

[cybermiguel]

You certainly are stupid

Hello everyone.

Right now, I'm at my parent's house in Angol, Chile and it pleases me to read this news. Why? I'll tell you why.

The reason is that I'm a college student here in Chile in the "Universidad Católica del Norte" (it has it's own international prestige in the area that I'm studying, that is Chemistry) and my parents can't afford to buy me a mac computer.

True. I've built my own computer on 2003, using only Intel components and great was my surprise when I tried the Intel OS X version and that it worked flawlessly. The thing is that I love OS X too and that there are certain software that I use that runs only on that system...and run a bit slow on my machine using rosetta emulation (I have a 2.0 Ghz Northwood Pentium 4)...but it runs and gives me no errors at all.

To the people who thinks that anyone can buy an Apple computer....do you know how expensive they are in Chile?

To give you an idea... the cheapest iMac costs US$1299. Here, in Chile, directly from the distributor, it costs CL$1,349,900 which converted to dollars is US$2499,81. Consider as well that the "per-capita" income in Chile is WAY lower than in the US.

Now, think TWICE before you talk about the people that can't get a Mac, because in other countries it's a luxury to have one.

...by the way, I DO have a copy of Mac OS X 10.4.3 running WITH Core Image and Quartz Extreme on my machine. Not bad at all for an "old" 2.0 Ghz Northwood Pentium 4 with a "crappy" Radeon 9600.

 

[feakbeak]

I think this is good news. Unfortunately, I am not hopeful that it'll make any difference in Apple's stance on selling OS X for generic x86 hardware. I'd pay this much for OS X and the iApps for generic x86 hardware.

Apple's hardware is well-designed and integrates hardware features quite seemlessly but it is overpriced for the performance. This is why they make great profit margins on hardware. I understand that since they do not command a large share of the computer market this is partially done out of necessity... that doesn't mean I have to like it.

While I don't think it'll happen soon, in the next 2-3 years I do hope Apple enters the software market with full force. I still think their stylish, well-integrated hardware has a niche market that it fills very well. However, I think they could go toe-to-toe with Microsoft in the consumer arena.

Here is where I think it is possible to enter the consumer software market profitably.

1. WinXP is a great OS (IMO) However, the user experience for most common consumer tasks is far better on a Mac - this largely has to do with iApps and the many integration points between those apps and the OS.
2. Vista looks like it will be a slighly more secure, slightly better looking version of XP - still a solid OS but not very compelling.
3. Dell is willing to OEM OS X, Michael Dell has expressed interest himself. I'm sure other computer vendors would follow. This item is key as nearly all consumers only purchase an OS when they buy new hardware and they take whatever that computer comes with - probably because currently they really don't have any options.
4. If Apple could get enough OEM partners, particularly Dell, hardware manufacturers would be forced to write OS X drivers for their hardware components and those drivers would improve over time.
5. OS X has strong selling points for consumers - ease of use, the best (IMO) consumer apps for daily tasks (Mail, iCal, Address Book, Spotlight, Dashboard, etc.) and multimedia tasks (iLife), plus they can market the better security (even if it is mostly due to smaller marketshare).
6. I think the much talked about halo effect from iPod/iTunes could work just as well for Apple software as it could for Apple hardware.

 

[harveypooka]

Yeah, BSD runs on any x86 box before Apple took the FREE OPEN SOURCE kernal and started selling it. Hmmmm, how much money did Apple give to all those developers that spent countless hours working on Open BSD?

Was it taken? Or was it licensed...and MacOSX has a lot more than just BSD in it...

 

[milo]

x86 can't compare to RISC. There is now NO DIFFERNCE AT ALL between a Dell and a MacIntel (relavtively speaking).

The current intel chips simply perform better than the PPC ones, especially the portable ones. Theoretical advantages mean nothing.

And you're right, the actual machines are about the same. The big difference is OS and software. For me, the mac is well worth the money.

 

[whatever]

For the record, it's "grammar," not "grammer." Maybe you should be the one working on your spelling.

LMAO!!!!!

I was saying it in my Boston accent.

 

[harveypooka]

To the people who thinks that anyone can buy an Apple computer....do you know how expensive they are in Chile?

Hey Miguel. I totally sympathise, I too am a student. But why should Apple give a toss whether we can afford it or not? Or whether our country's economic growth or whatever is crap? They sell machines and software. They do not give them away! Regardless, you and I have no right to take Apple's software just because we can't afford it. Do you see my logic?

 

[whocares]

So when Im broke and I mug your mom to take her cash and feed my family thats cool with you right? Ok then..

Only if you're broke because you just spent 4k on a spanking new Mac.

So are you saying that if I walked into a convenience store and held them up and my crime is captured on video tape, I should be able to sue the convenience store for invading my privacy by taping me!

You normally know/assume that you'll be on CCTV in stores... And the CCTV recording isn't sending out personal data like IP address, physical address, etc. to a private corporation. If used, CCTV is viewed by an independent party (like the police) who then tracks you down. So sorry, but your analogy is wrong.

Do get me wrong, I'm against software pirating; but I'm even more against large companies invading my privacy. That's the role of the government.

Yeah, BSD runs on any x86 box before Apple took the FREE OPEN SOURCE kernal and started selling it. Hmmmm, how much money did Apple give to all those developers that spent countless hours working on Open BSD?

What Apple took, Apple gave back. Darwin is free and runs on many platforms.

What you pay for is what Apple added. The GUI, iLife, etc...

 

[timswim78]

I was saying it in my Boston accent.

"Whatever."

 

[cybermiguel]

Hey Miguel. I totally sympathise, I too am a student. But why should Apple give a toss whether we can afford it or not? Or whether our country's economic growth or whatever is crap? They sell machines and software. They do not give them away! Regardless, you and I have no right to take Apple's software just because we can't afford it. Do you see my logic?

True. In fact, I'd buy an official OS X version, right from the retailer, because I can afford that.

What I'm saying is that Apple should have a price in the US and a little higher in other countries, like Dell, Compaq/HP and Sony do.

 

[whocares]

True. In fact, I'd buy an official OS X version, right from the retailer, because I can afford that.

What I'm saying is that Apple should have a price in the US and a little higher in other countries, like Dell, Compaq/HP and Sony do.

You mean a little lower, don't you.

I tend to agree with your comment, but if they made them too cheap, people would fly out to Chilie just to buy a Mac. This would be could for Chilie, but bad for Apple.

 

[harveypooka]

If you can't afford a Mac (come on now, you're telling me that you couldn't have given up Starbucks for a month and save an additional $100.00 and get a Mac Mini) then you do use one.

I second that! Or check out this site to help you save: www.moneysavingexpert.com (by a Guardian writer)

 

[cybermiguel]

You mean a little lower, don't you.

I tend to agree with your comment, but if they made them too cheap, people would fly out to Chilie just to buy a Mac. This would be could for Chilie, but bad for Apple.

No, i mean higher. Why?

Transport costs. Plain simple.


If you see the prices the Dell PCs have in the US and the prices you see in Chile, they are practically the same. The situation repeats on almost every major PC manufacturer that has it's headquarters in the US. In fact, in Europe happens the same thing. The prices are a little bit higher than in the US. Apple is the only company that has a VERY bad international department and VERY bad distribution model of all the major computer manufacturers.

 

[timswim78]

You mean a little lower, don't you.

I tend to agree with your comment, but if they made them too cheap, people would fly out to Chilie just to buy a Mac. This would be could for Chilie, but bad for Apple.

Customs would squash that idea in a hurry.

 

[whocares]

If you see the prices the Dell PCs have in the US and the prices you see in Chile, they are practically the same. The situation repeats on almost every major PC manufacturer that has it's headquarters in the US. In fact, in Europe happens the same thing. The prices are a little bit higher than in the US. Apple is the only company that has a VERY bad international department and VERY bad distribution model of all the major computer manufacturers.

So you want Macs to be a bit cheaper in Chilie, right? I'm not sure I got your point.

 

[harveypooka]

It would be great: country specific business. Taking into consideration the economy and the abilities of residents to afford products. Hmmm...Apple could become the Red Cross of the computer industry...

 

[CheezyLlama]

There are a few issues here that I'm struggling with.

First, I'm not a Mac user but that doesn't really matter nor am I struggling with that

Technology wise, for years I've heard my mac friends talk about how much faster their systems were. Now, these new Intel based Macs are alot faster . But that is something else that doesn't really matter. What matters to me is that technically speaking, your Intel Mac's hardware isn't much different than every other P4 3ghz system on the market. Therefore, hardware isn't much of a selling point for Apple.

Everyone always said Apple makes money on the hardware (correct me if I'm wrong but the OS is free?). Now, in a sense you ARE infact paying for the OS because your hardware isn't much different than mine. It is so similar that I can install your OS on my computer...but I won't. What is the incentive to buying Mac hardware anymore? They have admitted themselves the x86 platform is faster.

Now, if Apple had any business sense about them, they would be selling this OS to other manufacturers and competing directly with Microsoft. But they'd rather stay proprietary. This is dumb because every time they update the OS, someone will crack it. Either they accept that painful fact or they patch the OS every week. OR (click light bulb) they sell it to companies like Dell and HP!

For the guy who said Apple will have to support the guy who drops his Dell tower off... that isn't true. If they sold the OS, they would dump the support off to Dell. Microsoft doesn't support windows on Dell computers, Dell does because of the OEM license agreement. Apple would use this same OEM agreement and Dell would then support OSX. Probably better than Apple does.

My point is that you run mac hardware because of the OS. Not because of the hardware. Apple wants to make money on the hardware but since they went Intel, they are cutting their own profits. The only way to combat this is to send their army of lawyers all over the world and look like idiots, or just break down and sell the OS to Dell who if I'm not mistaken said they were willing to talk with Apple about that option. In the long run they would enter the corporate world and expand their customer base. That would be wierd!

 

[KickRideFly]

Because I already have a Mac

I just think it is sad that someone got OS X running on non-apple machines before someone got Windows running on the new Apple hardware.

Hopefully my macbook will ship tommorrow, and I would really like to dual boot.

I think the reason is that people with a Mac just aren't that interested in running Windows unless they absolutely must. I'm stuck with WinXP at work but once I'm out the door, I only want to work with my Mac. We've had PC emulators for years and they are good enough. Who wants to spend hours of useful, creative energy making a Ferrari run like a Yugo?

 

[cybermiguel]

So you want Macs to be a bit cheaper in Chilie, right? I'm not sure I got your point.

My point is that mac should be an elite product...but not THAT elite. How do I explain....

For what I have understood, Compaq/HP, for example, have a Latin America division and they have a headquarter here in Chile, so, when the send a product, they send it to Chile.

Apple have a different model. Apple sends their product to the LatAm distributor, which sends it to another guy and then to the chilean distributor, which sends the products to the stores. That whole chain adds A LOT of US$ to the final price, which is inconceivable given the size of a company as Apple is.

 

[nagromme]

Piracy is not an option being considered by the majority of computer shoppers. And you'll get no support for it. Nor support for your Mac apps that run on a pirated OS.

Conclusion: Apple's finances are not threatened by this.

 

[whocares]

Conclusion: Apple's finances are not threatened by this.

I agree, but such a conclusion will let people justify their pirating habbits: "Well, it's not like I was gonna buy it! Apple|Adobe|MS didn't loose no money!".

What's threatened IMHO is Apple image of making quality software. These hackers/pirates/geek wannabes will be spreading the word that OS X sucks because it runs like sh*t on their unsupported boxes. This will be relayed by "mac-haters" who will write articles on how "OS X doesn't stack up against Vista". They already think they know it sucks; this will just be "extra proof".

 

[running]

Sorry, but this irritates me. This "all software should be free" mentality is getting far too pervasive.

How long do you expect "good news" if you don't support the company providing it? If you want a Mac, buy a Mac. There are a lot of people who have poured untold YEARS of development time into OS X; the least you could do is support them.

If you don't, and Apple goes under (theoretically speaking, of course), we'll all be stuck with Windows And no one wants that.

I am not talking about downloading Mac OS X Tiger from P2P, i can buy brand-new OS X... new mac is still so expensive for me