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Mac OS X 10.4 Info?
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Regardless of what 10.4 really has to offer; at some point Apple is going to have to provide a new filing system if only for performance reasons.
HFS+ is not much better than HFS.
HFS+ is not much better than HFS.
I don't see why I should have to load a potentially buggy third-party app, which may interfere with future system upgrades, just to change the system font size or frame color.
Windows has done that stuff out of the box since 1995. In Windows, I can change the size or color of any GUI element to any color or font I have on my system. No third party band-aid needed.
This reminds me of a post WAY long ago by a guy that claimed some inside connection at Apple and was spelling out this long term Apple strategy that REALLY looks like it is beginning to take shape.
Essentially, one of the things that came out of that was that things like iPhoto and iTunes were really just "specialized Finders". And in fact they really are. Think about it, iTunes are really what happens if Finder and QuickTime got together and had a baby. Well, more like a three-way (no offense intended) between Finder, a database and QuickTime.
Now the revision of the Finder UI (in light of this) maybe makes much more sense. AddressBook may be exactly the same thing.
It's just that it is taking them some time to get there. Apple's approach of these (far more) incremental OS releases is a much wiser strategy than MS's Longhorn "whole ball of wax in one super duper humungo release" strategy.
Whoa! Who would have thought code could have so much fun
Apple now has an implementation of Smart Folder's to add to Carbon and Cocoa applications so merging metadata with the finder is indeed a almost certain possibility.
Unless they have a speedier development cycle then 10.3 it will be early next year before 10.4 makes light of day but you never know.
Use system hacks and you can have an OS9ish experience. Crashes and hangs and lossed work........
Originally posted by MacBandit
Use system hacks and you can have an OS9ish experience. Crashes and hangs and lossed work........
System hacks don't help me with the fact that the OS X GUI is simply one that uses bloated and unnecessary code. Given the OPTION to turn off stuff like antialiased fonts, OS X would go a lot faster in the Finder...
Well, the guy who wrote Be's file system now works for Apple, so you tell me if its scamming or a better reimplementation by the same guy with a lot more funding and time.
Untrue
I bought a beige G3 logic board and case from eBay. I bought RAM from 1-800-4-MEMORY. I bought white-label HDs and a Combo Drive from various online vendors. I installed 3rd party video, LAN, and FW/USB/ATA133 PCI Cards.
At no time did I pay for the Mac OS, yet I have built a fully functioning Mac. I then paid for the OS. This would be a 'first license.'
I bought a Mac including Mac OS X new 6 months ago. The new OS came out and now if I want it I have to pay the same price as I did for the 'first license' for my beige hack job.
Then I open the box for my new Mac OS X purchase and see software proof of purchase coupons - which have come w/ every version of Mac OS X - but no offers are ever made to use these coupons for any upgrade pricing or anything else.
You have to admit, it seems a little odd.
I bought a beige G3 logic board and case from eBay. I bought RAM from 1-800-4-MEMORY. I bought white-label HDs and a Combo Drive from various online vendors. I installed 3rd party video, LAN, and FW/USB/ATA133 PCI Cards.
At no time did I pay for the Mac OS, yet I have built a fully functioning Mac. I then paid for the OS. This would be a 'first license.'
I bought a Mac including Mac OS X new 6 months ago. The new OS came out and now if I want it I have to pay the same price as I did for the 'first license' for my beige hack job.
Then I open the box for my new Mac OS X purchase and see software proof of purchase coupons - which have come w/ every version of Mac OS X - but no offers are ever made to use these coupons for any upgrade pricing or anything else.
You have to admit, it seems a little odd.
The easiest way to put this, is that winFS is ontop of ntfs. There are going to be no fundemental changes to ntfs itself, so there is no need to upgrade. They are only using the SQLserver's query engine, thats it, as part of a new winAPI thats far reaching for the new windows version, longhorn. Toms hardware has a particulairly good article on this topic.
Tell you the truth, I don't care what windows does, I have fallen in love with OS X, and windows simply doesn't appeal to me anymore. I think apple shouldd chart its own course instead of trying to play the me too game with MS, cause apple can't win that game since MS has more money to spend then it knows what to do with, $50 billion in cash right now.
Apple should continue to persue the WOW factor, and be on the curve of what people don't know they want, until they see it from apple.
Screw linux and virusdows, I will take the sanity of OS X and my powerbook over that any day.
Tell you the truth, I don't care what windows does, I have fallen in love with OS X, and windows simply doesn't appeal to me anymore. I think apple shouldd chart its own course instead of trying to play the me too game with MS, cause apple can't win that game since MS has more money to spend then it knows what to do with, $50 billion in cash right now.
Apple should continue to persue the WOW factor, and be on the curve of what people don't know they want, until they see it from apple.
Screw linux and virusdows, I will take the sanity of OS X and my powerbook over that any day.
HFS+ still requires HFS underneath it anyway. It's not really that bad but it's time for something better. HFS+ filled the gap as larger hard drives came along. I still haven't seen anyone with a need to format a 10 Terabyte hard drive.
My main dislike is that it has case preservation but not case sensitivity.May the ideas of Dominic Giampaolo benefit us all.
Metadata sounds a bit like it could get like spyware, keeping tabs on everything. Is this in any way connected to those new hard drives I heard about (don't know from where, sorry) that will remember certain things so that, for example, they won't let certain copyrighted files (for example) be copied because they know the original owner and the drive it was 'assigned' to? Couldn't this become a breach of freedom in the long run?
doogle said:
Agreed. This is part of the reason I bought a 40GB iPod. Besides for just normal storage.
Screw Linux?
Now hold on a second. Leave Linux alone. I know Mac OS X is beautiful and efficient and what not, but you have to remember a few things
1. The developers in most Linux distributions work for very little pay or none at all.
2. Linux people love to make open source and free softare. I know there's a few distro's out there that charge money, but I'm still talking about the majority.
3. Linux isn't going bankrupt. Why? Because they aren't really a coorperation. Many work on improving things out of the goodness of their heart.
4. Mac OS X wouldn't exist if Linux was never born. When Steve Jobs broke away from Apple, back in the day, he got in a Linux group called NeXtStep. After a while Apple eventually bought their operating system. They slapped a pretty GUI on and modified a few things, and thus Mac OS X was born.
Now I'm actually a mac person myself, but to avoid linux is a little blind. In fact to all the kids out there. If you plan on getting into the computer business in just about in area and you haven't at least tried linux, your a bit behind. Also I've noticed this in myself, that when you have the computer do everything for you automatically you start getting dumb again. So to have Linux and mac on your computer is not a bad thing. Sorry for the lecture, although I'm suprised nobody else said anything.
Azeron said:
Now hold on a second. Leave Linux alone. I know Mac OS X is beautiful and efficient and what not, but you have to remember a few things
1. The developers in most Linux distributions work for very little pay or none at all.
2. Linux people love to make open source and free softare. I know there's a few distro's out there that charge money, but I'm still talking about the majority.
3. Linux isn't going bankrupt. Why? Because they aren't really a coorperation. Many work on improving things out of the goodness of their heart.
4. Mac OS X wouldn't exist if Linux was never born. When Steve Jobs broke away from Apple, back in the day, he got in a Linux group called NeXtStep. After a while Apple eventually bought their operating system. They slapped a pretty GUI on and modified a few things, and thus Mac OS X was born.
Now I'm actually a mac person myself, but to avoid linux is a little blind. In fact to all the kids out there. If you plan on getting into the computer business in just about in area and you haven't at least tried linux, your a bit behind. Also I've noticed this in myself, that when you have the computer do everything for you automatically you start getting dumb again. So to have Linux and mac on your computer is not a bad thing. Sorry for the lecture, although I'm suprised nobody else said anything.
Interesting. All this talk about BeFS and WinFS and now your comment makes me wonder...ccuilla said:
What kind of database or filing system does iPhoto now use (and iTunes) to organise access to photos and songs?
metadata-driven content management interfaces
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Under WinFS Inside in the Tom's Hardware Guide article:
I'll certainly be relieved when traditional folders, mailboxes, etc. become a ubiquitous "convenience" (ephemeral, optional) instead of a fixed structure that imposes limited choices on how data is stored, organized, searched. The iTunes and iPhoto libraries (each using XML files for metadata storage, to party answer GregA's question) already gives some illusion of "location-insignificance", with [smart] playlists and albums ("virtual containers") created from user-based criterial (albeit limited, e.g. no hierarchies). Those "specialized Finders" (thanks, ccuilla) foreshadow more flexible, broadly scalable content management interfaces that could (and I believe will, for survival's sake) eventually use some generalized, pervasive system service (e.g. unified XML database), similar to BeOS/BFS (as I understand it; no direct experience). "Layering" on HFS+ seems a similar strategy to WinFS/NTFS. Anyway, if Dominic Giampaolo has kept busy in Apple's file system group I no little doubt we'll see something interesting emerging from there, hopefully with the next OS X release.
Whew.
ReisferFS4 looks interesting.tortoise said:
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Under WinFS Inside in the Tom's Hardware Guide article:
The significance of that can't be understated or underestimated, IMhO.
I'll certainly be relieved when traditional folders, mailboxes, etc. become a ubiquitous "convenience" (ephemeral, optional) instead of a fixed structure that imposes limited choices on how data is stored, organized, searched. The iTunes and iPhoto libraries (each using XML files for metadata storage, to party answer GregA's question) already gives some illusion of "location-insignificance", with [smart] playlists and albums ("virtual containers") created from user-based criterial (albeit limited, e.g. no hierarchies). Those "specialized Finders" (thanks, ccuilla
) foreshadow more flexible, broadly scalable content management interfaces that could (and I believe will, for survival's sake) eventually use some generalized, pervasive system service (e.g. unified XML database), similar to BeOS/BFS (as I understand it; no direct experience). "Layering" on HFS+ seems a similar strategy to WinFS/NTFS. Anyway, if Dominic Giampaolo has kept busy in Apple's file system group I no little doubt we'll see something interesting emerging from there, hopefully with the next OS X release.Whew.
My understanding of BeOS's structure (and resulting speed) was from two main factors:
1) The metadata was stored right alongside the file itself, transparently, so that it "WAS" a part of the file.
2) The metadata was indexed, along with the rest of the more standard filesystem data, in real-time.
This real-time index meant that changes to any file in the system that matched a saved query would immediately be displayed. For instance, if you had a search on all MP3 files whose Year was no greater than 1970 but no less than 1967, and you changed the year on another MP3 to 1969, it would immediately appear in the query results. The speed of this was amazing, and I think this method is the best way to obtain similar results.
DISCLAIMER: I'm no filesystem engineer, and have only a basic grasp of the concepts involved; it's been a LONG time since I've used BeOS, so any other experts out there should feel free to correct me if my assumptions are wrong.
--Cless
1) The metadata was stored right alongside the file itself, transparently, so that it "WAS" a part of the file.
2) The metadata was indexed, along with the rest of the more standard filesystem data, in real-time.
This real-time index meant that changes to any file in the system that matched a saved query would immediately be displayed. For instance, if you had a search on all MP3 files whose Year was no greater than 1970 but no less than 1967, and you changed the year on another MP3 to 1969, it would immediately appear in the query results. The speed of this was amazing, and I think this method is the best way to obtain similar results.
DISCLAIMER: I'm no filesystem engineer, and have only a basic grasp of the concepts involved; it's been a LONG time since I've used BeOS, so any other experts out there should feel free to correct me if my assumptions are wrong.
--Cless