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ryanw said:
I hear you. What is needed is a RISC OS like drag and drop file save feature. Even better if you can 'save' a file directly into another application like you can with RISC OS.
ryanw said:
I couldn't agree more. It is pretty arrogant to refuse to provide a standard mechanism for skinning the OS. It annoys me that Apple don't provide a virtual desktop switcher.
ryanw said:
Package management systems are stupid - they never work perfectly. Apple has the right idea with making applications be special self-contained directories, they just need to fix the few boundary cases that are broken.
Take a look at Zero-Install for where Apple should be heading with this.
mm2005 said:
Apple has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with respect to blogs (see ). Those in the design team that blog won't reference which company they work for and won't reveal any competitive information about what they are working on. Some of the developers working on Open Source projects (such as Safari/WebKit) are a little more forthcoming, but not much.
Thanks for the link. Looks like an implementation of the quarantine idea I pondered and questioned (within a limited context of viruses) in a post here a couple months ago.mdavey said:
Looks like we're agreeing something like this could ultimately be more worthwhile for Apple to implement than a traditional (and inevitably flawed) package management system.
I like the .app package. I just don't like that everthing is not in the package.
I think though that Apple should put everything into the .app package so I don't have a bunch of debris left in the libraries. I want to be able to
If I move my .app to another computer all my preferences come with.
Any tweaking of the preferences directly could be done through the GUI for beginners or in the com.plist files in the .app
I think though that Apple should put everything into the .app package so I don't have a bunch of debris left in the libraries. I want to be able to
If I move my .app to another computer all my preferences come with.
Any tweaking of the preferences directly could be done through the GUI for beginners or in the com.plist files in the .app
Amuraivel said:
I really hope Apple doesn't do this, because to update an app you would no longer be able to drag and drop without losing all your settings. Also, it would be complex to just delete the preferences or something if the app doesn't work because you would have to go through the actual app.
I do think some thing has to be done about the installation/removal process. It is nice to just drag and drop to install - and for the most part remove. However, as we all know, that does not always remove every part of the program. An earlier poster mentioned the jam packs with garageband, that is just one great example of no easy way to go in and remove select parts. Then again, I don't want to also give up they ability to move around applications. Might have to make a choice between having my cake and eating it.
I think we can have the cake and eat it. Just apple isn't implementing it right. For example, the garage band packs, well, they have to be installed in specific folder; IMO this is fragile and old-style. Now that we have a metadata rich system, the jam pack should just be a bundle (folder that looks like a file) with a metadata that says "Garageband Jam Pack," then when GB loads, it just asks spotlight for those particular folders.macnews said:
In that scenario, you just download it or drag it off the DVD, fire up GB and thats it. You throw it away, its gone, thats it.
The point: It can be that simple. The tech is there. Now they just have to implement it.
I say whenever we think of something that would improve apple stuff, send them a letter/feedback about it. You'd think they'd listen. I could keep long lists of all the problems and such with apple software, although I'm still completely in love with it.
Pretty sure there are previous posts in this thread explaining reasons that's not the 100% awesome idea you might think it is.ITASOR said:
Mixing personal and system data is an administrative nightmare, at least on current mainstream multi-user systems. Anyone who disagrees with that needs a history lesson.
Do we know abouts when 10.5 will be released? I know Tiger came out like 9 months ago, and I am new to the whole Mac thing. So I am used to MS releasing OS's every 3 - 4 years.
Are we looking at 10.5 sometime in 2006 for us to buy? Or do you think that it might be later?
Are we looking at 10.5 sometime in 2006 for us to buy? Or do you think that it might be later?
iBunny said:
Apple usual OS timeframe is 1yr - 18 months per .5 etc upgrade so it could be end of this year if its previewed @WWDC in June or early '07 like as MBP launch @ Macworld
EDIT: the .5 is upgrade number like OSX.0 (Cheetah)>.1(Puma)>.2(Jaguar)>.3(Panther)>.4 (Tiger)>.5(Leopard) ETC
Fukui said:
That's freaking brilliant. Hell, it could even be that in looks in the special location first, and if it can't find it, then it looks in spotlight. That way, if you copy your files away into another folder for backups, you can be sure it's using the "right" ones if you put it in the special place. Plus, it'll still work if spotlight is disabled.
Thanks, but really its apple thats made it possible, they just gotta make spotlight faster first... yea, I think thats the best way to do things, then location really doesn't (and it shouldn't in the 21st freakin century) matter in a system. I guess whats in my home folder vs. what is somewhere else is important, but outside of that, who really cares right? I mean, should applications have to be in the applications folder, or should it just scoop all the applications through a search, so even if you just download it, and its in your download folder, it shows up in /Applications. Thats real user friendly installation.MarkCollette said:
In the case of apps that leave things laying around, then the application can just have a list of files that it uses (maybe their special spotlight keywords), so when you trash an app, its also asks if you wanna trash the files related to it that app uses, so you can have an installation as easy as drag and drop, and un-installation as easy as dragging it to the trash. Its package management that requires you to manage nothing.
Thats my 'prayer' anyways for 10.5........
ryanw said:
how about you not be a dumbass and just get Zap! or soumthing
or maybe you could just drag the items to the trash?! loser
alej744 said:how about you not be a dumbass and just get Zap! or soumthing
or maybe you could just drag the items to the trash?! loser
Haha...
...howabout, Apple includes the Package Removal Tool, which should be included in an Operating System (Microsoft has Add/Remove Programs...)
...and howabout, we don't drag and drop items to the trash, because that doesn't always delete the whole program. There are always files left behind (I remember, I tried to delete iWork, than reload it, but it wouldn't let me, because I still had iWork files loaded on my iBook...)
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If the app was installed using drag-n-drop method then dragging the app to the trash SHOULD unistall that app completely except some tiny .plist files of the app..
If the app uses an installer e.g. iLife/iWorks then use the UN-installer thats build-in to the app to uninstall it still there might be that .plist file for that app still there but if that annoys you then spotlight for the apps .plist and trash it ..
Thanks to MadJew for that info on the .plist i knew it,it would come in handy
If the app uses an installer e.g. iLife/iWorks then use the UN-installer thats build-in to the app to uninstall it still there might be that .plist file for that app still there but if that annoys you then spotlight for the apps .plist and trash it ..
Thanks to MadJew for that info on the .plist i knew it,it would come in handy
iphil said:
lol, I had the problem with iWork right after I bought my Mac. I wasn't familiar with it AT ALL. Thus, the drag and drop thing didn't work out; plus, Spotlight didn't find all the files associated with iWork. How do I access the "built-in UN-installer" for iWork? That would've been nice to have, as it took me forever to eventually delete all of the files associated with iWork.