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Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

Peyton said:
Hi, I see this is your first post, and I'm sorry you chose to start off this way, no one here will believe you are running 10.5.

we have photoshop too.
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well, i gotta say i agree. the version 10.5 thing isn't the same font as the rest of the stuff. you didn't even take the time to mess with shape shifter before takin' the screenshot? tssk, tssk, tssk!
 
Every night Bill Gates has the same nightmare, over and over and over again.

He's standing in the middle of a jungle trying to build a giant tower called "Windows Vista". He keeps trying and trying, and he keeps failing.

He hears the distant sounds of a large animal running his way. He hurries to finish his construction. Frantically he hammers pieces of wood together, drills in screws, splatters on glue... The sounds of the animal are getting nearer and nearer.

He quickens the pace, he's half way done. The sounds are getting louder. A few minutes later after exausting himself with unhuman speed, he is completing the finishing touches on his masterpiece.

Then out of nowhere a colossal Leopard jumps out of the trees, completely obliterating his work, and sending him flying 200 feet away onto a thornbush.

The Leopard stands on his field of victory, and growls.

Bill Gates screams and wakes up.
 
macgeek2005 said:
Every night Bill Gates has the same nightmare, over and over and over again.

He's standing in the middle of a jungle trying to build a giant tower called "Windows Vista". He keeps trying and trying, and he keeps failing.

He hears the distant sounds of a large animal running his way. He hurries to finish his construction. Frantically he hammers pieces of wood together, drills in screws, splatters on glue... The sounds of the animal are getting nearer and nearer.

He quickens the pace, he's half way done. The sounds are getting louder. A few minutes later after exausting himself with unhuman speed, he is completing the finishing touches on his masterpiece.

Then out of nowhere a colossal Leopard jumps out of the trees, completely obliterating his work, and sending him flying 200 feet away onto a thornbush.

The Leopard stands on his field of victory, and growls.

Bill Gates screams and wakes up.
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Where's Steve...?
 
markkk! said:
Where's Steve...?
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I wrote that off the top of my head. You can't expect it to be perfect.

But... I could add.

So, after the Leopard shatters Bill Gates's tower, the Leopards tamer comes in. Steve Jobs. He strides out, and strokes the leopard on the head. Then he looks over to where Bill Gates fell, and in a voice that echo's like thunder, proclaims:

"The day has come, when the pain using crap is greater than the fear of cost."
 
ajb01 said:
Here are some pics of leopard. Sorry for them not being hi res. I will be back soon to post features.
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Why don't you do some thing constructive with your life?
 
leopard huh....i think ill wait till the second or third upgrade comes out, so they can get rid of a few glitches(if any), then upgrade if i have the money...
 
Yeah, maybe instead of plastic or brushed metal, how about something much more innovative? Like.... I don't know, floating text, i don't mean transparent like in vista (yuck) I mean like total floating status of a window...
 
Stridder44 said:
BRING BACK SYSTEM SOUNDS!!!
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Eurgh!

gollum.jpg


:p
 
macgeek2005 said:
He's standing in the middle of a jungle trying to build a giant tower called "Windows Vista". He keeps trying and trying, and he keeps failing.
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It does not need to be good to be successfull. Vista will come pre-installed on 90% of all computers sold. Some time after it's introduction Vista will be the only verion of Windows you can buy in a retil box. It wil be successfull for the same reason Win XP was successfull.

Gates became rich by making one good and correct observaton: "There are a lot more people who know nothing about computers than there are true computer experts. Why not sell to the larger group?" This was actually a brillent idea and has worked well.
 
ctango said:
Will Chardonnay be Cocoa or is Apple sticking with Carbon?
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Carbon and Cocoa are intermixed and layered on top of CoreFoundation, posix, CoreGraphics, mach, etc... so at this point the distinction between them is not all that useful except from a programming style point of view. Many large-to-medium sized apps these days use both.
 
Catfish_Man said:
Carbon and Cocoa are intermixed and layered on top of CoreFoundation, posix, CoreGraphics, mach, etc... so at this point the distinction between them is not all that useful except from a programming style point of view. Many large-to-medium sized apps these days use both.
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Name one.
 
Catfish_Man said:
Carbon and Cocoa are intermixed and layered on top of CoreFoundation, posix, CoreGraphics, mach, etc... so at this point the distinction between them is not all that useful except from a programming style point of view. Many large-to-medium sized apps these days use both.
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Thats not exactly true. Carbon events are not compatible nor implemented the same way as NSEvents. HiView is not compatible with NSView, though they can both use Quartz drawing. NSWindows and Carbon windows are also different. Controls are also implemented in different incompatible ways. There is little reason to use Carbon (except for missing "Mac" functionality) in a Cocoa project. Conversely, if everything runs fine in carbon, there is little reason to use cocoa components unless utilizing new functionality like Core Data or Core Image.

Its more like, Cocoa and Carbon duplicate a lot of the same functionalities and if one is satisfactory, its not really beneficial to use one and mix with the other. Right now, carbon is really just duplicating much of the functionality in Cocoa, and this is to satisfy mostly Adobe/Microsoft, I'm afraid.

The layering of functionality is more like this:

Carbon is based on the OS9 Toolbox with bits of Core Foundation sprinkled in. Its mostly *all* procedural.

Cocoa is based in Objective-C and is exposed through Core Foundation in procedural form. This is why CF objects are Opaque, so you don't need to fiddle with Obj-C runtime in a procedural or C++ app; Carbon merely *uses* CF its is not based on it.

IOW, Core Foundation is utilized by in some places Carbon, but not necessarily dependent on it unless your using the newer functionality. CF != Carbon then....
 
madmaxmedia said:
Right, they don't want Apple dead. But Mac OS X isn't going anywhere for awhile. Microsoft will continue to do stuff like release Office, VPC, etc.

At the same time, they are being challenged on some different fronts- iPod, Google (search and the online Office thing), etc. A little Mac success is fine (inconsequential in terms of Windows market share loss). But they don't want Apple gaining any really significant momentum either...

They also don't want Apple's convergence solution (FrontRow and whatever's next) gaining prominence at the expense of Win Media Edition.

I doubt we actually disagree on anything, we're just looking at different perspectives. I agree Microsoft doesn't really care that much right now., but I can see them foot-dragging on a new killer VPC for Mactel that offers really good Windows performance on Macs. All high tech companies are paranoid about 10 years down the road, starting around when Andy Grove wrote that book, don't remember the title (bend in the road, oh no here comes the future, something Dilbert generic like that.)
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Need i remind you that microsoft is one of Apple's biggest investors?

It's gotten to the point where if Apple sucseeds, gates makes money, if apple fails, gates makes money.

I think we can all agree that apple has a better OS, but microsoft has always been better at the buisiness aspect.
 
chuckles:) said:
Need i remind you that microsoft is one of Apple's biggest investors?

It's gotten to the point where if Apple sucseeds, gates makes money, if apple fails, gates makes money.

I think we can all agree that apple has a better OS, but microsoft has always been better at the buisiness aspect.
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I don't believe Microsoft owns any shares of Apple at all currently.

They're conspicuously absent from this page:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=AAPL

Let's lay this myth to rest, eh?
 
dr_lha said:
Name one.
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Adium*, PathFinder (it's essentially impossible to write a file browser in Cocoa. The file APIs aren't complete enough), Safari. There's three

Fukui: yeah, I was oversimplifying. There are definitely areas (webkit) where carbon calls into cocoa, and areas (menus) where cocoa calls into carbon though. I disagree about the "little reason to use Carbon". There are areas of Cocoa that are just incomplete (see, for example, XML parsing pre-10.4).


*I work on this one every day, so please don't try to argue with me about it being pure-cocoa or some bs like that.
 
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