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Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
lol, I had the problem with iWork right after I bought my Mac. I wasn't familiar with it AT ALL. Thus, the drag and drop thing didn't work out; plus, Spotlight didn't find all the files associated with iWork. How do I access the "built-in UN-installer" for iWork? That would've been nice to have, as it took me forever to eventually delete all of the files associated with iWork.
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I just re-installed iWork to figure out on how to delete iWork apps ..

I just trashed the iWork folder and that worked on un-installing it ..

But i looked for the iWork un-installer first before trashing it, Couldn't find the un-installer :confused: :confused:

Most apps that use installer/un-installer should be with each app..
 
Fukui said:
Thanks, but really its apple thats made it possible, they just gotta make spotlight faster first... yea, I think thats the best way to do things, then location really doesn't (and it shouldn't in the 21st freakin century) matter in a system. I guess whats in my home folder vs. what is somewhere else is important, but outside of that, who really cares right? I mean, should applications have to be in the applications folder, or should it just scoop all the applications through a search, so even if you just download it, and its in your download folder, it shows up in /Applications. Thats real user friendly installation.

In the case of apps that leave things laying around, then the application can just have a list of files that it uses (maybe their special spotlight keywords), so when you trash an app, its also asks if you wanna trash the files related to it that app uses, so you can have an installation as easy as drag and drop, and un-installation as easy as dragging it to the trash. Its package management that requires you to manage nothing.

Thats my 'prayer' anyways for 10.5........
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Don't we already have a way to find the four character application type of the application? Can't we then search for all files created by that application?
 
jbreazeale said:
Don't we already have a way to find the four character application type of the application? Can't we then search for all files created by that application?
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Unfortunately, that won't work. An app can create files with any type/creator code it wants, or it can even (particularly in OSX) create files with none.
 
>>How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.
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Gawd, yes!
besides the 1 GB of other lanugage lproj files I dont use,
I dont need:

Asian language support (even with a checkbox, it installs anyway)
Automator
Apple Remote Desktop
Speech
iPod
iSight
iChat
Mail (I use Entourage)
SPOTLIGHT (bring back the Panther search app-it worked fine)
Bluetooth
Servers (Apache, Python, Samba)
99% of the printer drivers
99% of the Graphic card extensions
99% of the CRT/LCD drivers
.Mac
Classic
Dashboard/Expose
various HFS_ language files
Widgets
iSync
Keyboards for various languages
Webkit
ForceFeedback

etc,etc

How about a skeleton system with branches that you can checkbox ONLY what you want or need? You could save TONS of space, have less clutter-AND a snappier machine-all that extra crap just bogs things down-then you dont need to buy more RAM.
Right now if you say, remove all iPod files, the machine wont start.
 
seashellz said:
You could save TONS of space, have less clutter-AND a snappier machine-all that extra crap just bogs things down-then you dont need to buy more RAM.
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Huh? That unused "extra crap" on your hard drive isn't a reason to buy more RAM and removing it won't necessarily make your system "snappier".

Right now if you say, remove all iPod files, the machine wont start.
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Huh? What "iPod files" are you talking about?
 
well, Use the App EASYFIND-I dont use Spotlight anymore (and have trashed it except*)and type in "iPod"
it will list any and all files/folders with the word iPod in it-trash them; Computer wont start. will stop at blue screen with twirling sundial
Eventually found the culprit in
S/L/Private Frameworks- "iPod Framework" folder-havent tried to remove iPod sync framework yet-dont know what will happen;
Ther are two small files in Spotlight that cannot be removed-*vcard spotlight 1&2-or your calendar and address book stop working;
After a fresh install of 10.4.5 and all apps, it took + 1 min to load, after removing all the extranious stuff that I could get away with-everything works fine-and my load time is under 30 seconds 1Ghz eMac 1Gb RAM-plus apps seem to launch faster. on a 60 Gb HD, saving 2-3 Gb is a large and helpfull amount-so I dont need to go out and buy a larger HD... some of these may seem like "little" things but when you add them all up-they save a lot of space
 
Virtual Desktop

OMG... OS X really needs to put down the best innovation of lunix and unix OS... which is VIRTUAL DESKTOPS. Very handy little trick in luinx... Very nice for organizing work. This a must for any multitasker.
 
pacman7331 said:
OMG... OS X really needs to put down the best innovation of lunix and unix OS... which is VIRTUAL DESKTOPS. Very handy little trick in luinx... Very nice for organizing work. This a must for any multitasker.
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There is a version for OS X, google it, it's awesome, you can do the Cube trick hehe. It's fun
 
seashellz said:
well, Use the App EASYFIND-I dont use Spotlight anymore (and have trashed it except*)and type in "iPod"
it will list any and all files/folders with the word iPod in it-trash them; Computer wont start. will stop at blue screen with twirling sundial
Eventually found the culprit in
S/L/Private Frameworks- "iPod Framework" folder-havent tried to remove iPod sync framework yet-dont know what will happen;
Ther are two small files in Spotlight that cannot be removed-*vcard spotlight 1&2-or your calendar and address book stop working;
After a fresh install of 10.4.5 and all apps, it took + 1 min to load, after removing all the extranious stuff that I could get away with-everything works fine-and my load time is under 30 seconds 1Ghz eMac 1Gb RAM-plus apps seem to launch faster. on a 60 Gb HD, saving 2-3 Gb is a large and helpfull amount-so I dont need to go out and buy a larger HD... some of these may seem like "little" things but when you add them all up-they save a lot of space
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I dont need:

Asian language support (even with a checkbox, it installs anyway)
Automator
Apple Remote Desktop
Speech
iPod
iSight
iChat
Mail (I use Entourage)
SPOTLIGHT (bring back the Panther search app-it worked fine)
Bluetooth
Servers (Apache, Python, Samba)
99% of the printer drivers
99% of the Graphic card extensions
99% of the CRT/LCD drivers
.Mac
Classic
Dashboard/Expose
various HFS_ language files
Widgets
iSync
Keyboards for various languages
Webkit
ForceFeedback

etc,etc

How about a skeleton system with branches that you can checkbox ONLY what you want or need? You could save TONS of space, have less clutter-AND a snappier machine-all that extra crap just bogs things down-then you dont need to buy more RAM.
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And people wonder why some of you have major problems after system updates. If you haven't yet, you have an angel watching over you. You sound like me 6-7 years ago on my Windows box. Taking everything out of it that I could to save space and make things faster. I killed that system so many times ...and for what? Nothing. I had a 1gb drive that never ever got above half full. I really did nothing with that machine except try and tweak the system and play on the internet. That sounds like what you do with your Mac ...practically nothing. I can say for a fact that I couldn't imagine being without ~90% of the stuff on your list. Speech, Bluetooth, and classic are about the only things I don't use.

If you think OS X is a bloated install ...you are going to be shocked when you see Vista.

P.S. How much of your 60gb HD are you currently using ...can't be much if you only do email and web stuff.
 
well, for all you who need more space but don't want to screw around with system files, Tidy Up! is a great util. once longwait is in the open, well, it will be less than solid
 
Tiger has virtual desktops too.

pacman7331 said:
OMG... OS X really needs to put down the best innovation of lunix and unix OS... which is VIRTUAL DESKTOPS. Very handy little trick in luinx... Very nice for organizing work. This a must for any multitasker.
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You can do that with tiger too. It`s called Virtue. I use it all the time. Pretty nice app. And best of all it`s free. Here`s the link--

http://virtuedesktops.info/

Even though it`s not as great as the unix`s. But still it`s the best you`ll get before leopard has it built in.
 
Mac OS X Install

The genuis of Apple software is that an idiot can do it. Get an iMac, get the power cord, hook up mouse and keyboard. Press power button...On. Working.

If you want to take apart your system and your computer, buy a PC. Then wonder why they don't work as well when you do.

Apple computers are for people who don't want to fanny around in their system preferences all day, they want to get work done, and you know what? That's what an Apple computer lets you do. Let's not forget that.
 
but OS X is also a VERY powerful OS. it can do so much more than XP. so it is not only super user friendly, but capable of doing such extreme things. anyways, all of the big power cpu users use macs, its just the way to go.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? LONGHORN IS DEAD as it was originally designed. The stipped it of EVERYTHING except eye candy. and Uh I think it is safe to call it vista now that it has a real name. I have seen Vista running and well its uh ***** lame.
 
virtual desktops are UH old

pacman7331 said:
OMG... OS X really needs to put down the best innovation of lunix and unix OS... which is VIRTUAL DESKTOPS. Very handy little trick in luinx... Very nice for organizing work. This a must for any multitasker.
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I had a virtual desktop on my Mac ][ color. I had virtual desktop on my ppc 7100. I have had virtual desktop on my OS X boxes since rhapsody. What cave are you hiding in?
 
ryanw said:
Sorry bro, but you don't even understand the problem at all.. Think about this. Lets say you install iTunes update 6.0.1 PACKAGE. How do you uninstall the update? Or something even more trivial, lets say you install iDVD and all the suplimentals. How do you remove it? Ok, so lets say you just drag everything into the trash.. OK, that's fine.. but then over time your OS will still want you to get iDVD updates because it thinks it's still installed and ONTOP of that if you DO want iDVD installed, when you goto install it off the disks, it thinks you already have it installed so it won't let you.

That is the problem... There is no 'simple solution'.
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never had that happen to me...
 
Lotring said:
never had that happen to me...
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indeed - deleting something like iDVD or even moving it from the Applications folder ceased my updates for it. Dunno if it has been changed in Tiger (because I haven't tried this in Tiger) but pervious OSes shouldn't have done this.

I hate packages and a package uninstaller would just encourage more packages to be made. I just want .app file to contain everything. It's possible, Apple would only have to enforce it.
 
Here are some pics of leopard. Sorry for them not being hi res. I will be back soon to post features.
 

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