Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Delayed until October?

[Lollypop]

I call bull on this one.. If Leopard is delayed until October then it will be becuase the features are incomplete or there are still to many bugs, im sure while apple does consider bootcamp as a important feature, Vista compatibility is on the bottom of the list of things to do!

 

[Stella]

Bull.

Aren't some people already launching Vista via boot camp already ( particularly the late betas )?

 

[Keebler]

this has got to be one of the worst rumours out there.

1. wwdc would be real 'fun' without leopard and i guess pretty much meaningless with out?

2. as if Jobs would let Apple get jobbed by not having the os until october. that would be marketing suicide after vista just came out.

 

[Osarkon]

Bull.

Aren't some people already launching Vista via boot camp already ( particularly the late betas )?

I'm running the retail version of Business on my first generation macbook. The drivers are a serious annoyance, I haven't managed to get the iSight, trackpad or bluetooth installed, but the main things work and it's only a driver issue.

 

[displaced]

This rumour just doesn't pass any sanity-checks...

As already noted - what's WWDC going to be about without Leopard on the shelves?

Also, the idea of a Vista-compatible 'integrated' Boot Camp holding up the release doesn't make sense for many reasons, but here's what I see as the most compelling:

The functionality Apple would implement is the 'integrated Boot Camp' bit, not the 'vista-compatible' bit. There's nothing inherent in the Apple-developed part of Boot Camp that needs to be Vista specific. The mechanism of booting an OS is agnostic to the OS you'll be booting. Note that Boot Camp happily boots Vista, XP, Ubuntu and many other Linux distributions. The only OS-specific part is the driver bundle which Boot Camp includes. 90% of the hardware in the Intel Macs is standardised, with driver support already available from each component's respective manufacturer. The other 10% (backlit keyboard, SMC, nvram etc) would be all Apple would need to code drivers for.

Load of nonsense.

 

[4np]

Bollocks.... Apple will never delay it's own OS just to support another OS in bootcamp. If it really is an issue they will just release Leopard and release a software update later.

 

[mattscott306]

Apple's got a good track record of meeting deadlines, I don't really think it'll be delayed 'till October. I'm still thinking a late may release. They need to get it out soon to push on the Vista market and nab people who are looking for alternatives to upgrading to Vista.

-JMO

 

[chicagdan]

Apple's got a good track record of meeting deadlines, I don't really think it'll be delayed 'till October. I'm still thinking a late may release. They need to get it out soon to push on the Vista market and nab people who are looking for alternatives to upgrading to Vista.

-JMO

I think the best argument why Leopard won't slip past June is the iPhone. There are clearly some iPhone features (having to do with iChat, mail, calendar) that are Leopard dependent. Apple is not going to screw up that release just to add in some idiotic Vista support that they could just drop off for free later.

 

[brianus]

Bollocks.... Apple will never delay it's own OS just to support another OS in bootcamp. If it really is an issue they will just release Leopard and release a software update later.

Maybe, but if Bootcamp can't immediately run the now-current Windows OS when Leopard's out, that goes against all the marketing and hype. Bootcamp and Windows support being one of the features they've been touting for Leopard, and Windows support in general for the Mac platform.

I can't see it being delayed 'till October over simple driver issues, but releasing the OS without Vista support in Boot Camp would be seriously lame. Oh, you meant you wanted to run a contemporary Windows OS? Oh, well, Macs can't do that

 

[chicagdan]

Maybe, but if Bootcamp can't immediately run the now-current Windows OS when Leopard's out, that goes against all the marketing and hype. Bootcamp and Windows support being one of the features they've been touting for Leopard, and Windows support in general for the Mac platform.

I can't see it being delayed 'till October over simple driver issues, but releasing the OS without Vista support in Boot Camp would be seriously lame. Oh, you meant you wanted to run a contemporary Windows OS? Oh, well, Macs can't do that

But it CAN run Vista ... I installed it myself with Bootcamp. The drivers are 90 percent there already, you just need to install them manually. This is a bulls--t issue ... Apple could put out a Vista version of Bootcamp tomorrow if they wanted to.

So why haven't they done that? Obviously, they want you to spend your next $200 of operating system budget on them, not Microsoft. They won't release the Vista drivers until after Leopard is out, not for technical reasons, but because they want their installed base to buy their own new OS first.

 

[CoreWeb]

this has got to be one of the worst rumours out there.

1. wwdc would be real 'fun' without leopard and i guess pretty much meaningless with out?

This is an excellent point. By the WWDC, Leopard must already be out, being released, or be about to imminently be released. So expect it before June or in July... or perhaps at the WWDC. But I do think Apple may move the launch date around a bit so that the iPhone's thunder won't be stolen...

 

[nagromme]

Apple MIGHT do some kind of virtualized "Boot" Camp someday, at a strategic moment--two OS's running at ONCE (if that's what "integrated" means) is very nice--but they sure as heck wouldn't delay their own OS for it. They'd add it later.

Knowing how rumors get mis-repeated, maybe the truth is that this is one of the secret Leopard features, and that this FEATURE will be delayed until the fall. Not the whole OS.

Or there could well be no basis at all for this report.

 

[chubad]

Man. Even the rumors are lame now. This wins as the dumbest rumor so far this year. There is no way Apple would delay Leopard over Vista compatibility. Thats just ridiculous.
With WWDC all about Leopard and the new FCS being announced at N.A.B. this rumor is pure %100 FUD.

 

[BigPrince]

I think the best argument why Leopard won't slip past June is the iPhone. There are clearly some iPhone features (having to do with iChat, mail, calendar) that are Leopard dependent. Apple is not going to screw up that release just to add in some idiotic Vista support that they could just drop off for free later.

I think WWDC is a stronger argument, but your point is valid as well.

 

[macinfojunkie]

Good point, I just read that the other day at work, EVERYTHING is Leopard BASED.

It is perfectly possible to have a developer conference which discusses features and technology contained within a forthcoming release of Mac OSX (or any other OS for that matter) without the final GM version of the OS being ready for release. The availability of the final product is not a prerequisite for discussion sessions at WWDC. Having said that, whatever beta release is available should at least contain a work in progress version of all of the features under discussion otherwise the sessions are not much more than hot air.

I'm not privy to the details of specific bugs which are claimed to be in the latest developed seeds, but from what I've seen on this forum, and the fact that there have been very few seeds in the last few months my gut feeling is that the schedule is slipping - regardless of speculation in the press either way I just don't see a major OS upgrade appearing in the next 10 weeks when there has been so little visible testing.

If "Spring" is achieved, then either it will be buggy or there will be little new above what we have already seen. In my book either outcome will be below par as far as expectation is concerned: expectation set by Apple (top secret blah blah) not by rumours. Based on that alone I'm not expecting to see a finished product at WWDC, just announcements, a possible future release date and a developer release which is feature complete. It is not the first time that Apple will have been late with an OS upgrade. I just wish they would be more forthcoming and open about their position. But that's Apple for you.

 

[k2k koos]

Digitimes

i think they are dead wrong! I am convinced that Leopard will be released before the summer, so this spring, most likely at WWDC. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an update in october, dealing with the Vista bootcamp issues if there are any such things now.
Of course, I have no proof that the above is true, it's just a gut feeling, and I know you can't base anything on that, but I cannot believe that Leopard would be delayed that long because of such an issue, after all the mockery that Steve and co made about the delays on Vista etc.

 

[BigPrince]

It is perfectly possible to have a developer conference which discusses features and technology contained within a forthcoming release of Mac OSX (or any other OS for that matter) without the final GM version of the OS being ready for release. The availability of the final product is not a prerequisite for discussion sessions at WWDC. Having said that, whatever beta release is available should at least contain a work in progress version of all of the features under discussion otherwise the sessions are not much more than hot air.

I'm not privy to the details of specific bugs which are claimed to be in the latest developed seeds, but from what I've seen on this forum, and the fact that there have been very few seeds in the last few months my gut feeling is that the schedule is slipping - regardless of speculation in the press either way I just don't see a major OS upgrade appearing in the next 10 weeks when there has been so little visible testing.

If "Spring" is achieved, then either it will be buggy or there will be little new above what we have already seen. In my book either outcome will be below par as far as expectation is concerned: expectation set by Apple (top secret blah blah) not by rumours. Based on that alone I'm not expecting to see a finished product at WWDC, just announcements, a possible future release date and a developer release which is feature complete. It is not the first time that Apple will have been late with an OS upgrade. I just wish they would be more forthcoming and open about their position. But that's Apple for you.

This will make the hands on sessions great.
Student developers don't have access to beta versions of Leopard making their expierence that much better.

While you may have a point, I hope to god your dead wrong.

 

[macinfojunkie]

I think WWDC is a stronger argument, but your point is valid as well.

I'm sure that there will be bells and whistles which will be Leopard dependant, but if Apple want to sell 10 million iPhones globally - within a few years as they stated in January, they must surely be targeting Windows users as well and not restricting this phone to Mac users, or even the comparitively small subset of mac users who will upgrade to Leopard within the same timeframe.

On that basis I think whilst there may be sight of features which Leopard will bring to the iPhone if used in conjunction with a Mac, a delay to Leopard would not prevent the iPhone being released. The two are linked but not dependent IMHO.

 

[BigPrince]

I'm sure that there will be bells and whistles which will be Leopard dependant, but if Apple want to sell 10 million iPhones globally - within a few years as they stated in January, they must surely be targeting Windows users as well and not restricting this phone to Mac users, or even the comparitively small subset of mac users who will upgrade to Leopard within the same timeframe.

On that basis I think whilst there may be sight of features which Leopard will bring to the iPhone if used in conjunction with a Mac, a delay to Leopard would not prevent the iPhone being released. The two are linked but not dependent IMHO.

Thanks for agreeing?

 

[Clive At Five]

Like others have said: seeing as how many people have Vista running via boot camp after only minor tweaks, I find it hard to believe that will cause a 4+ month delay. WWDC still falls withing the bounds of "Spring" here in the U.S. so it makes sense that it would be released then, no?

And about this whole "integration" of bootcamp into OS X, Apple stated that they would never do such a thing and even outright recommends that users use other solutions like Parallelis (sp?). Then again, Apple also said they would never support videos on the iPod...

-Clive

 

[macinfojunkie]

i think they are dead wrong! I am convinced that Leopard will be released before the summer, so this spring, most likely at WWDC. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an update in october, dealing with the Vista bootcamp issues if there are any such things now.
Of course, I have no proof that the above is true, it's just a gut feeling, and I know you can't base anything on that, but I cannot believe that Leopard would be delayed that long because of such an issue, after all the mockery that Steve and co made about the delays on Vista etc.

I hope I'm wrong too

I agree that it would not not make sense that the reason for the delay was as sited in the OP. It would not make sense. Indeed I hope the article is wrong as is my own summary of the release schedule. I'm as keen as the next person to see 10.5 released. We're sure to know in the next few weeks since developers will start receiving feature complete version if it is to be released at all anywhere near WWDC. I just can't believe that Apple would release a product with new features without having a wider public testing cycle outside it's own campus. I would certainly not want to run such a release on a critical system until the first update pack if that were the case. Personally I'm much more interested in new version of FCP and Logic than I am in the OS. Whilst a few enhancements to the UI and core services would be nice today, I don't see anything so far in Leopard that is anything more than a nice to have. Of course that's just my own opinion, coupled with the fact that Tiger is actually pretty darn good to begin with, which makes the job of impressing with improvements that much harder, and so far 10.5 fails in my eyes .

 

[crees!]

I've been thinking mid-late May at the EARLIEST. Yesterday though I got that "feeling" and am looking at WWDC to be where the top secret features are introduced and Leopard being released as EARLY as August.

 

[macinfojunkie]

One thing I find odd about the discussion on this site is that there are many posts speculating about a release date, but not a lot about what the hidden features might be, or what else might be new different about 10.5 - granted that we have little to go on on the features front, and there there is more circumstantial evidence and public information about the release schedule. But surely discussing features is more fun than placing bets on the release date.

 

[iAlan]

I call BS too

I see your BS and raise you 'utter bollocks'

 

[CoreWeb]

I've been thinking mid-late May at the EARLIEST. Yesterday though I got that "feeling" and am looking at WWDC to be where the top secret features are introduced and Leopard being released as EARLY as August.

I think that at WWDC, the final version of Leopard will be given to developers. Final, I mean, as in complete, ready to ship. Now, Apple may then delay the shipment of Leopard another week or two (so they can "print" the DVDs), but overall, they should DEFINITELY have it finished by WWDC.