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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Delayed until October?
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Yeah, I think it's either gonna be that, or "Leopard will ship today" during Steve keynote.
leopard will be trashed and we'll be going right into OS 23
O RLY?
Yeah, but a release is sure to happen at some point. On the other hand, a lot of us aren't all that convinced that there even are any "top secret features".
Yeah... it seems as though Apple has been catering a lot more towards switchers and measley consumers. What about the Professionals and the Prosumers? We're people too! I can figure out how to run Vista without Apple's help. I can set up a digital home without
tv. All I want from Apple is the hardware and the software. None of this fluff.-Clive
They'll be printing discs now I assume, they'll sit there with no data and be duplicated at a later stage when the GM is done.
I hope this isn't true, since I'm waiting till Leopard to get my iMac. Also, it would be pretty hypocritical of Jobs to delay a Mac OS just to make sure it'll work with Windows. I mean, there's some many things wrong with that. If anything, they could just release an update 10.5.x to give compatibility with Vista.
Something that just occured to me: Apple isn't trying to win XP- >Vista Switchers, they're trying to prevent XP -> Vista Switchers. Recall Apple's scare-tactic "I'm a Mac" ad where PC is undergoing surgury... They're using OS X as an alternative to the treacherous switch to Vista.
People who have already switched to Vista are likely the die-hard Windows fanboys (or the ignorant) who would never consider switching to OS X.
My father, although historically die-hard, is hesitating to upgrade to Vista. Now would be Apple's time to strike in order to win people like him. If, on the other hand, he had already upgraded, he would say, "I just upgraded to Vista, I'm not switching to another type of computer altogether. Also, I'm diappointed in you for following that hippie, son," and I would say, "I'm an adult now, dad, I can make my own choices!!" and he would say, "You're still a naive fool! I'm a failure for raising you like crap. Get out of my house!"
*tears well up*
Daddy never loved me!
-Clive
People who have already switched to Vista are likely the die-hard Windows fanboys (or the ignorant) who would never consider switching to OS X.
My father, although historically die-hard, is hesitating to upgrade to Vista. Now would be Apple's time to strike in order to win people like him. If, on the other hand, he had already upgraded, he would say, "I just upgraded to Vista, I'm not switching to another type of computer altogether. Also, I'm diappointed in you for following that hippie, son," and I would say, "I'm an adult now, dad, I can make my own choices!!" and he would say, "You're still a naive fool! I'm a failure for raising you like crap. Get out of my house!"
*tears well up*
Daddy never loved me!
-Clive
I was wondering if you'd remember that last point...
What I see as a flaw with this argument is that BootCamp isn't even at version 1.0. Adding a virtualization layer to BootCamp seems like a version 2 step to me. (Though, perhaps, you could take the stance that BootCamp really is at v1.0, they're just calling it a beta still, and to add 'wow' to the official release they're treating it the way you would treat a v2.0 release, with a slew of new features.) In any event, even if they are preparing a version of BootCamp with a virtualization layer built in (any other ideas what "integrated" could mean?), if it was in danger of delaying the release of 10.5 by that much, I'm sure they'd push it off. They'd just release a feature complete version of what is currently the beta, and save the new version for a later release.
...Personally I'm much more interested in new version of FCP and Logic than I am in the OS. Whilst a few enhancements to the UI and core services would be nice today, I don't see anything so far in Leopard that is anything more than a nice to have. Of course that's just my own opinion, coupled with the fact that Tiger is actually pretty darn good to begin with, which makes the job of impressing with improvements that much harder, and so far 10.5 fails in my eyes
Overall, I agree. However, it is the constant rumors of other components not being release because they are Leopard dependent, or they reveal something about Leopard's secret features or new UI. While I want to see Leopard released, I'm much more anxious to hear something concrete about iLife'07 and iWork'07. And if that means that Leopard has to be released, first, then get that OS out the door so you can give us the other apps!
So by your argument, would not ensuring that Leopard boot camp is fully compatible with Vista be a good thing? I think the sales pitch to "Vista switchers" (by which i presume you mean those upgrading from XP rather than switching to Mac, or those likely to dump OS X for Vista) be a lot more compelling if apple could say.... Hold on, you are about to by a new PC so you can upgrade to Windows Vista. Rather of buying that Dell, HP, Gateway or whatever, buy a Mac. You can experience leopard at no risk and if you are not happy you'll still be able to move to Vista if you choose.
Remember apple are a hardware company first and foremost. If I were a switcher I'd be more inclined to take the gamble if I knew I could also run my old system on my new hardware. I know the argument works, because I used it to convert a friend recently to buy an iMac rather than a replacement HP. Once I pointed out that his son could also run Windows XP for games via Bootcamp he was sold since he already knew he could do most of his other work better on the Mac. (It helped that his HP machine died 5 days out of warranty and HP told him to go buy another!).
But I don't belive that providing that insurance would delay Leopard 4 months though.
Cool! I've already got one person willing to give me his PPC iMac if I'm right.
We will see Leopard in April..
Who else wants to get in on my cluelessness ?
Offer up a component to me!!
This "story" and the logic behind it is so flawed it's made me wonder if it didn't originate in Cupertino.
We will see Leopard in April..
Who else wants to get in on my cluelessness ?
Offer up a component to me!!
This "story" and the logic behind it is so flawed it's made me wonder if it didn't originate in Cupertino.
What I find funny about this rumor is someone tipped them off Apple is making a version of Boot Camp with drivers for Vista that will be done in October and somehow it got morphed into a delay in the new OS release.
Boot Camp is a standalone program.
Most people will be using Parallels or Q anyway.
The good news is this will kill the Digitimes accuracy record and we can all move on sooner in the future.
Rocketman
Boot Camp is a standalone program.
Most people will be using Parallels or Q anyway.
The good news is this will kill the Digitimes accuracy record and we can all move on sooner in the future.
Rocketman
What are you willing to offer up when--- oops, I mean, if--- you're proven to be wrong?
I don't doubt your sincerity in asserting whatever inside info you are party to, but if you are correct, Apple are going to release an OS within the next 5 weeks which will apparently have many additional features which have not been "properly" tested anywhere outside Cupertino?
Whilst it might be bug free at the initial release - at least as far as any previous .0 OS release from Apple has been in the past - what you are saying does not hold well for 3rd party applications or their ability to provide rapid fixes for the issue..... Unless the additional features and enhancements are so trivial that they do not change anything substantial under the hood.
In which case I think we are all going to be rather under-whelmed by Leopard.
What a shame.
I didn't start a bet.And this isn't a bet.I merely gave an opinion on when I thought we would see Leopard.Someone said If I'm right they would give me their PPC iMac.
If I'm wrong.I'm wrong.Won't be the first time and certainly won't be the last.
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I am NOT party to ANY inside info.I've said that many times.
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You mean supposedly hasn't been tested anywhere outside Cupertino... Is Apple really giving the real Leopard builds to just anyone who pays $500 here: http://developer.apple.com/products/?
Granted I don't know for sure, and you are probably right that there has been some NDA 3rd party testing, but OSX is not like the ipod,ATV or iPhone where it be developed behind closed doors with very limited 3rd party input. If there were indeed many additional features, by now I would expect at least some information to be leaked.
My own expectation is that if we see something soon then there will not be many new features, and that it will be basically an expensive service pack for Tiger. However if there is an announcement with a longer release schedule I would expect the new features to be more extensive. As to when it arrives, so long as it is stable and provides value for money, they can bring it on whenever, I see no compelling reason to wait for it's release before buying new hardware.
Actually, could the $500 releases be a kind of smokescreen for the leaks that other 3rd party developers would release? We may pass any 3rd party leaks off as rumors and speculation, in fact. The leaks could really be occurring.
And can someone remind me of when, before Tiger, screenshots of the Dashboard were released, because I think I remember that it was only a few days before the dashboard was announced... meaning that we may indeed not hear anything even from the "higher up" 3rd party developers until a little later.
/que X-files music. Seems a bit far fetched for what is essentially a niche OS. Even by Apple standards.
If that were the case where are all the rumours about amazing new features. All I've seen even on this site is pretty mundane.
Good point. Though there could still be some very very simple to implement features, such as using Core Animation subtly everywhere! (Click the "zoom" button, window slides to new size... "x" button, window disappears in puff of smoke, whirlwind, etc.) But what about by second point? When do the leaks about those kind of features appear: