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I've never used any Mac OS previous to OS9...so like OwlsAndApples I found this very interesting...the author seemed to share my thoughts on the Windows start bar :)
 
Anyone have a screenshot with the Dock on the side?

That is exactly what I was thinking. I think the left side of a iMac screen is a very nice place for the dock to live. I may get vertigo from the reflections of this new dock style! :p
 
I hope they release 10.5 at 26 Oct. or later, so that I get 10.4 with my iMac. ;)
(Yes - I'm one of those who will wait for 10.5.1.)
 
Not me...I'm moving to Leopard the night its on sale! I've got everything backed up but cmon people on this board act like its alpha software. People use this internally as their daily OS! It's fine to use. Unless some particular application isnt workable. But I think most should be fine
 
October Release Question

I'm assuming that upon Leopard's release, Apple will ship hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of boxes containing discs. If the software is not yet finished, how does this work? How could they logistically make the discs and box them with less than 21 days left in the month?
Is it possible that they are shipping a current buggy version that somehow updates itself when people are installing the upgrade?
 
Finally not about the iPhone

I hope they use the same technique as they did in announcing the iPhone and introduce once cool thing each day :D
 
So if it looks like they're sitting on a shelf along the bottom, what does it look like when it's on the right or left side of the screen?

Umm... like a shelf on the side of the screen.

Not sure why people have a problem visualizing this. Maybe it's because the computer screen is standing up. Picture the computer desktop being down below you, as if you're looking straight down at it, like you would a real desktop. Now think about the dock being a shelf. Still a little odd because you have to imagine that the Dock is hovering over the desktop, but can you see how it works that way?
 
I'm assuming that upon Leopard's release, Apple will ship hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of boxes containing discs. If the software is not yet finished, how does this work? How could they logistically make the discs and box them with less than 21 days left in the month?
Is it possible that they are shipping a current buggy version that somehow updates itself when people are installing the upgrade?

I think I read somewhere that all they need is 2-3 weeks for mass production and distribution of the install DVDs.
 
What if you could have stacks in Finder..

I'm liking the idea of the stacks, what if any folder in Finder could be fanned out like a stack? Wouldn't that be a very efficient way to just take a peak inside a folder? To move files aswell, just "stack browse" your way to the folders of interest in one single Finder window and drag the file from one stack to the other. I haven't used it though and don't know exactly how it behaves, just thought that stacks might have been useful in areas other than the Dock...?
 
Maybe this is the real reason for the space style background.

No Gravity.

Good article, pleased to hear about the app launching capabilities of stacks, in particular the ability to type the first few letters of the app name.

There were some funny lines as well, my favourites where:

The only downside is that some developers insist of putting their applications into a folder of junk and then name their apps after themselves, notably Adobe and Microsoft.

So far, that's only a distraction, as the Stack icons look a bit messy and cluttered (as stacks of stuff tend to do).

And for a good bit of Vista bashing:

The scrunched TaskBar bays can now popup a live preview of the Window they relate to (above), but this requires mousing over each TaskBar bay Imagine if live previews were just sitting there, live, to preview at a glance without any mousing around? That would take you back half a decade to Mac OS X's Dock.
 
Could you please explain to me what a "High Priority" bug is because it's not a classification in radar.

The last seed mentioned one issue.I have some bugs reported and none have ever been classified as "High Priority" by me or Apple engineers.

Nope, I can't! :p But a little common sense tells me that a "high priority bug" is, at the least, something that Apple won't allow in to Gold Master. And to have 11 such bugs at this point in the process worries me. I'm starting to think that either Leopard will not ship in Oct, or that, as someone else suggested, many of us would be better off waiting until 10.5.1.
 
Going to wait until November or December for Leopard

Looks like this will be my first post to MacRumors....
Being a recent Mac convert (I say with great pride) in June, I am actually in no hurry to upgrade the Mac OS. I'm still learning the system and will wait until some of the bugs are worked out. I've enjoyed reading this forum and look forward to getting my copy a little later once you experts have vetted it out...
 
11 bugs?
How serious are these bugs?
Im anxious to try out Leopard when it is released, but the more I hear about each build and it's problems the more I am concerned with how stable the new OS will be. It will be useless to me if it cant run ProTools, Sibelius and Photoshop correctly to begin with. Im planning to buy a new MacBook Pro when it is released. Maybe I should hold onto my Powerbook for the transition period

I run Adobe CS3 on Leopard 9A599, haven't had any issues with Photoshop. Seems to be fairly stable, they definitely fixed a bug with Safari 3.0.2 crashing frequently, although it still has a few glitches. Overall, a few more beta's and I think it should be all set. Here's hoping "Fast OS Switching" makes an appearance either in the release or in an update.

Oh, any one else remember in beta 499 or such there was an "Answering Machine" option in iChat 4.0? You could record a video away message for people. I wonder why they got rid of that. Would have been cool, especially if the iPhone had iChat (and with video conferencing), getting a video away message would have rocked. :)
 
Looks like this will be my first post to MacRumors....
Being a recent Mac convert (I say with great pride) in June, I am actually in no hurry to upgrade the Mac OS. I'm still learning the system and will wait until some of the bugs are worked out. I've enjoyed reading this forum and look forward to getting my copy a little later once you experts have vetted it out...

Welcome to the forum. I'll be joining you in the late comer's lineup. Maybe 10.5.1 if 10.5.0 looks good.
 
Umm... like a shelf on the side of the screen.

Not sure why people have a problem visualizing this. Maybe it's because the computer screen is standing up. Picture the computer desktop being down below you, as if you're looking straight down at it, like you would a real desktop. Now think about the dock being a shelf. Still a little odd because you have to imagine that the Dock is hovering over the desktop, but can you see how it works that way?

I think you made things worse...and hurt my brain.
 
Not being a developer, I don't understand all the need to wait for 10.5.1. I pre-ordered Tiger and received it the day of release. I had no problems with it whatsoever and was excited to be using it. All you devs keep saying 10.4.0 was horrible, but I'll never know.
 
Consumer/prosumer/pro-user

I do not like all these reflections in cover flow, finder, and now the dock? I hope I can turn the reflection off.

Well as expected I don't like it. I don't like the dock anyway. Takes screen space away from me. OSX has the Dock and a whole spread along the top. Making it 3D will make OSX popular. Like the iPhone I owned for 14 days it spins, it looks cool but hell some of us here use our computers for work as well as fun. Nothing wrong with consumers having an OS for themselves but I'd pay extra to get rid of all the bells so that my expensive cpu/gpu will not be used for all this rubbish.

I really don't want frufru. Give me the fastest OS out there. Ease of us does not mean it has to spin like a kids game. Are we Americans so childish? Come on guys Jobs taste is one of a baby boomer who will not grow up. He doesn't use his computers for work. He plays with them. We have to put up with his taste? It's worse than MS ... okay as bad.:)

I had to go back to using my powerbook G4 1.33 12 inch after using my Dell and OSX burns up so much power by comparison to the fast and speedy XP and it's not just CD2, it also works fast on a Pentium. Horrible OS but at least it gets out of the damn way.

I realize I am in the minority but I hope Apple is not counting on faster chips to pay for all this garbage. When I use XP on my MacBook Pro it's fast and makes Tiger look like a cluttered slug.

Well I guess I can just buy Apple hardware and run windows:(
 
In Tiger, if the app was written the right way, you couldn't resize the window below the dock. Is this still present in leopard given that one of the "features" of the new dock is the reflections from windows placed behind it?
Yes very much so, but I allways hide my dock.
 
Nope, I can't! :p But a little common sense tells me that a "high priority bug" is, at the least, something that Apple won't allow in to Gold Master. And to have 11 such bugs at this point in the process worries me. I'm starting to think that either Leopard will not ship in Oct, or that, as someone else suggested, many of us would be better off waiting until 10.5.1.

Come on, 11 high priority bugs means there are 11 of the brightest programmers money can buy working to fix them. With any number of bright programmers being able to help them. Worst case, one week from now nine problems are fixed, and if two problems resist any debugging, then parts of two features will be gone. That is worst case.
 
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