Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 'Finalized'?

[samh004]

I'd hate to be waiting on the mail when I could have driven 30 min and installed on (my PB) on the drive home.

That sounds extremely dangerous...

i hope iphone will be a gigantic finanical failure. let's wait for the european court of human right sue the arse of apple for locking us off.

That's not going to help get Leopard into your hands any faster, in fact it's likely to be the end of your Mac experience if something like that happened. Think before you type next time

It's Oct 10th here. I'm itching. I hope MacBook Pro comes with it pre-installed coz I'm ordering one

Not likely. Assuming it's shipped on the day that Leopard is released at the earliest, then you might have a disc in your box allowing you to upgrade when the MBP arrives.

 

[Cabbit]

I would just like to chip in and say that Leopard can't come soon enough. The new dock looks great so dose the new finder bar(much better than the current wight elefant). The unifid UI is cool too though i would have prefered it was a choice between the Mail.app and iTunes interface i like the white one better.

Stacks look set to really save me a lot of time and dock space, Coverflow in finder is a brillent idea i have about 300 files in my site directory that can be difficult to sort though without a little help. Will also be great for viewing images.

Also from what i have seen Leopard is a lot quicker than tiger but tiger is already pretty fast though not as snappy as Windows XP but a lot faster than Vista.

Quicklook is all fine and dandy but i see myself using coverflow more than quicklook.

Time machine would be great but my USB hard drive has been killed by the 10.4.10 upgrade so i can only access it form my 10.4.10/9 machine that has the .9 usb stuff tacked on that i was unable to do to my macbook.

Safari 3 looks like a nice incremental update it sorts a lot of problems with Safari 2 such as support with my sites WYSIWYG editior, and the inline search. Unfortunitly i can't use the beta just yet as it has messed up yahoo and msn making them annoying to use with yet no update form apple to resolve the problem yet. (edit installed the latest beta of safari 3 on my macbook it now works well, this may or may not be because of yahoo beta 2 though)

I look forward to iTunes 8 whenever that is coming but only because i don't like odd numbers lol.

I hope the 64bit in Leopard will work like 64 bit windows and linux were once the system passies 2GB of ram it jumps preformance by upto 40%, this has only been explained by perhaps extra registers being enabled.

Spaces is very cool i do miss virtual desktops form linux, ^_^ spaces makes it look cool.

The improvements to mail wont help me a bit i plan to switch to entorage once office 08 comes out. Entorage is a much more full application to me.

And the changes in iChat are pointless without msn and yahoo support. I have over 100 contacts and not one of them use AIM its kinda shunned here.

Overall this is my impression. tiger is great, Leopard builds on the greatness.

 

[0098386]

Leopard will be great and that, but it's a shame I still have to use XP for all my work. I get to spend about an hour each day in OSX just sorting out my music and videos etc.

Leopard looks so brilliant too.

 

[twoodcc]

I was part of the internal Tiger-Beta Testers at Apple (As MacOS X Champ).
We received almost daily Seeds until the Gold Master was released. (Which was quite a pain, because we weren't allowed to UPDATE the System, we had to erase and install every time we've got a new Seed).
The Goldmaster was handed out for us just three days before the final release.

well if what you say is true, then they still have time to get it right before release.

let's just hope we get a date sometime this week

 

[Chupa Chupa]

It was delayed once. Just once. And just by a few months.

Leopard has actually been delayed twice.

At WWDC '05 Jobs, where Leopard was first revealed, he said 10.5 would be released in late '06/early '07:

Steve Jobs:

Well, the next, really I'm very pleased to announce, that the next release of OS X is going to be called Leopard and we're not going to be focusing on it at this conference today, but we certainly will in the future and we intend to release Leopard at the end of 2006 or early 2007 right around the time when Microsoft is expected to release Longhorn.

http://www.news.com/Apples-Intel-switch-Jobs-keynote-transcript---page-2/2100-1047_3-5748045-2.html?tag=st.num

Then it was "Spring '07."

And then it was the current October '07.

And we'll just have to wait and see if Leopard actually ships in Oct '08. I'm not a beta tester so I don't know what kind of condition 10.5 is in, but for an already announced product Apple is being very squirrely about the exact launch date. Apple knows the press is lying in wait to pounce on any bit of a trip up, so Leopard has to be fairly bug an incident free.

It's possible Apple let 9A559 be GM but will have a d/l update ready the day Leopard ships so essentially the first version of Leopard is 10.5.1.

 

[Taylor C]

It's 2007, not 2008.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

It's 2007, not 2008.

Thanks for the catch. It just feels like it's gonna be 2008.

 

[Roy Hobbs]

i agree, you can't have people preordering it before it's announced

i'm betting announced 26th and..

One more thing...

you can buy it today

Not gonna happen. Apple loves to see all of lined up outside of its stores. Which also brings the media and free advertising for Apple. It will not be announced and released the same day or on Halloween for that matter.

 

[xUKHCx]

Leopard has actually been delayed twice.

At WWDC '05 Jobs, where Leopard was first revealed, he said 10.5 would be released in late '06/early '07:

...

Then it was "Spring '07."

And then it was the current October '07.

Not wanting to get in to semantics to much but isnt Spring still early in the year so the first two references re actually talking about the same time frame. So only one delay so far.

 

[twoodcc]

Not wanting to get in to semantics to much but isnt Spring still early in the year so the first two references re actually talking about the same time frame. So only one delay so far.

it doesn't really matter now. all that matters now is if it will be released on the 26th......but we need an announcement this week for that to happen

 

[milo]

And if they don't announce an iPhone SDK, I will steal it, so Jobs knows how it feels when someone crushes your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations, etc.

I guess you're either kidding or a pathetic loser. Now that I think about it, it's entirely possible you're kidding AND a pathetic loser.

Not multi-core aware!???!!!?!

Maybe that's one of the "secret" features??? Leopard runs on just one core?

Maybe by 10.5.5 they'll make it multi-core aware.

Stupid iPhone. No gold master. No RC. One core. Finder crashing..

Guess we really don't need a Mac Pro update since there will be seven cores doing nothing........

What the hell are you talking about? The finder only using one core (source?)? It sounds like you only need one core since you seem to be only running the finder and NOT RUNNING ANY APPS. While it would be cool if the finder used all cores, I'm not sure what the finder does that would benefit much from extra cores.

 

[GoodWatch]

That’s just marvelous. The ETA of my iMac has been pushed back to October 23. I would very much like to find an upgrade DVD in the box! But I’m afraid I’ll receive one of the last iMacs with 10.4. Boohoo-hoo, I’m so sad now.

 

[twoodcc]

That’s just marvelous. The ETA of my iMac has been pushed back to October 23. I would very much like to find an upgrade DVD in the box! But I’m afraid I’ll receive one of the last iMacs with 10.4. Boohoo-hoo, I’m so sad now.

but you should still get your copy of leopard for free. but maybe not, i'm not sure if it's from when you order it, or when it ships. you better call apple about that

 

[GoodWatch]

but you should still get your copy of leopard for free. but maybe not, i'm not sure if it's from when you order it, or when it ships. you better call apple about that

The order was placed the 27th of September.....

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Not wanting to get in to semantics to much but isnt Spring still early in the year so the first two references re actually talking about the same time frame. So only one delay so far.

Semantics? More you are more like rationalizing. Why I don't know. According to my calendar late '06/early '07 falls in the Winter NOT Spring. Also January is SIX months from June, when Apple pushed back 10.5 to October. That is hardly the same time frame.

 

[samh004]

The unifid UI is cool too though i would have prefered it was a choice between the Mail.app and iTunes interface i like the white one better.

It's silver when it's the active app and white when it's in the background, so technically your wish is granted.

Coverflow in finder is a brillent idea i have about 300 files in my site directory that can be difficult to sort though without a little help.

Remember that unless those images are big, they'll still be hard to see even in Coverflow. Therefore many images on a website are sometimes quite tiny, and will still be tiny when you browse through them (or horribly pixelated).

Also from what i have seen Leopard is a lot quicker than tiger but tiger is already pretty fast though not as snappy as Windows XP but a lot faster than Vista.

Depends what systems your running really doesn't it.

Time machine would be great but my USB hard drive has been killed by the 10.4.10 upgrade so i can only access it form my 10.4.10/9 machine that has the .9 usb stuff tacked on that i was unable to do to my macbook.

There's quite a chance that your issue will be fixed, however you should be using firewire for backups anyway, it's a lot faster.

Safari 3 looks like a nice incremental update it sorts a lot of problems with Safari 2 such as support with my sites WYSIWYG editior, and the inline search. Unfortunitly i can't use the beta just yet as it has messed up yahoo and msn making them annoying to use with yet no update form apple to resolve the problem yet. (edit installed the latest beta of safari 3 on my macbook it now works well, this may or may not be because of yahoo beta 2 though)

You'll find those issues you encounter are more of MSN and Yahoo's fault that Apple's. The services you can't access have always been low on the compatibility list for those companies, that's life, send them complaint, don't misplace your blame.

And the changes in iChat are pointless without msn and yahoo support. I have over 100 contacts and not one of them use AIM its kinda shunned here.

Many people in the US use AIM instead of MSN. It's very common and works quite well, if you have friends with macs, then I'd recommend just getting a simple AIM account and trying iChat's text, audio and video based chats. They really rock, and you can't even compare them to MSN or Yahoo.

MSN and Yahoo support in iChat isn't something Apple can just add, it's not their call, it's the other two companies, both of which I'm sure would be against the idea, or charge significantly for the ability.

Instead of complaining about how useless iChat is to you because you don't use it, try complaining to Microsoft and Yahoo about supplying decent IM apps for the mac.

It's possible Apple let 9A559 be GM but will have a d/l update ready the day Leopard ships so essentially the first version of Leopard is 10.5.1.

Updates to Leopard, just as Tiger, are helped along with the ADC community. If Apple was testing a 10.5.1 update already, it would of been seeded to developers and we'd know about it, due to the leaks they have.

 

[aldalric]

How did up to date work last time???

Since I missed out on the "Tiger" hype, How did the "up to date" program work? Did you get a "Full Build" of Tiger, or one specific to your Mac?? (like a system restore disk??) I'm interested in buying a MB Pro for my theater design work, and would like to time it near enough to the release to get a discount on Leopard.

(not that Steve would use the Tiger release as a formula for this release)

I'm tired of doing lighting design work (IE. CAD) on my ibook G3 600MHZ 14" These old eyes can't see things like they used to and I need a speed boost (and some business deductions for taxes this year)

Sorry if this is the wrong area to post this...

 

[dazzer21]

Actually you aren't correct. RI will not just work by you changing resolution since how would the OS know the DPI of your screen? RI *is* in Leopard. But it is not user enabled at this time because most apps are not written to support it so if you tried to turn it on (you can) then while OS elements will scale properly, most apps will completely screw up. Including currently the built in Leopard apps like Finder. Apple has told devs that RI may come to users in 2008 Q1/2.

Now personally here is how I *expect* it will happen, knowing Apple. I'm not really pleased by my thought, but this is how I expect it to be. Apple will introduce new ultra high res displays. Those people with those displays will get RI. Nobody else will. The idea being that there is no switch, no option. It turns itself on based on the hardware. Apple hardware of course. Sure people will figure out how to turn it on (like we do now with dev tools), but normal users won't get it without that.

Oh great - thanks for that!!! So I'm currently waiting for Leopard to arrive in order to get on board with a 24" iMac, having ALREADY waited for the white to aluminium upgrade, having received 'advance information' in this forum that it was impending; NOW there's the intimated possibility that an 'HD-display' version could be waiting in the wings of the near future to support resolution independence which is again now making me question whether now is the time to jump... AAArrrgh!

Don't Apple want my business?!! I

 

[happydude]

bring it!!

leopard, here we come!! my bet is release on the 26th! if we preorder, does it arrive on the 26th, or ship? i.e. to have it day of, should i stand in line at the store and by malled by ridiculous fanatics or can the transition take place in the comforts of my home?!

 

[benpatient]

looks like an october street date is out of the question now...oh well.

 

[twoodcc]

The order was placed the 27th of September.....

well if you want leopard for free...i would advise you to call apple and ask about that

 

[Sprung]

Trick or Treat

I favor Treat, as it might be fun standing in line wearing [Leopard] costumes.

Corporate Media would love it!

 

[Lesser Evets]

Little did we know that when Steve said "delayed until October", he really meant next October.

It was an honest mistake. He garbled words.

October was just a slurring of the words 'MacWorld January 2008'.

But, with the Time Machine feature he can go back and release it in October 2007. The kicker is that you have to wait until January when he uses that feature to release it now... so it doesn't really help at all.

 

[tennez]

I think it should be ready by now and that it will cost 120$.

 

[meagain]

The order was placed the 27th of September.....

But I think it only matters as to the date your credit card was billed. Perhaps they didn't hit your card yet and only do that the day it's shipped, etc.