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IMHO, ThinkSecret has the best track record of any rumors site.

Well honestly I dont know a lot about them but I just got the impression that even the regulars thought they were not very credible and did find a lot of their rumors were way out but yet they implied they had some inside knowledge. I suppose I should give them a chance before downing them.

Hey nice planets on your profile picture. Did you have anything to do with the fake Feb 1st invites LOL.
 
If the "secret" of leopard doesn't require developers testing...could it possibly be just an UI change? Like the ever rumoured "Illuminous" GUI.

How i dream.
 
Let's face it. Think Secret is washed up.:( They are grasping for any sort of attention and as a result we get lame rumors like this.
Gee Leopard might come out early and iLife either slightly sooner, or at the same time...... or after. See we were right!

:rolleyes:
 
Let's face it. Think Secret is washed up.:( They are grasping for any sort of attention and as a result we get lame rumors like this.
Gee Leopard might come out early and iLife either slightly sooner, or at the same time...... or after. See we were right!

:rolleyes:


well atleast this rumor brought us all together as one ;) ;)
 
What does that mean? :) You talking virtual memory, hardware addressing, data paths, etc.?

Anyway attempting to answer why I said "not true".

Applications can use 64b virtual addressing to get access to a HUGE virtual memory space. Having access to such a large memory space allows to them to work with extremely large data sets and in ways that don't require them to implement code to do some type of sliding memory window (attempting to fit their data set into a 32b aperture). It makes programming a lot easier in those situations.

Mac OS X 10.5 will allow graphical applications to use 64b virtual addressing (10.4 limited it to basic POSIX command line tools).

The above concept is independent of how much RAM can be installed in a system or addressed by the hardware.

Additionally on Intel based system having an application compiled for 64b virtual addressing also enables ISA extensions that can improve performance of an application... again a capability independent of how much RAM a system can support.

i'm talking about it not being virtual...the whole system running as 32bit systems use ram now...64bit would mean that all apps are accessing ram (then virtual memory when ram is full or "sleeping")


and so basically what you're saying is that leopard will NOT be 64bit? it will only allow apps to be ran virtually as 64bit?
 
1st: It's almost the middle of February, and we've heard nothing regarding a release date. Leopard contains a TON of under the hood modifications to the OS, and as a result, it breaks a bunch of apps. Giving third party developers a month to fix their app to work with a new OS isn't cool. Apple traditionally gives a little more notice than that. Factor in the rumor that a whole new UI will be part of Leopard, and there is almost no way Apple would spring a release that monumental without ample lead time for the 3rd party developers.

Elaborate please. Apple has gone on the record as saying the existing API would change that much. Additions, sure. But Apple realizes that developers have been going nuts over the years with their tweakings.

If the "secret" of leopard doesn't require developers testing...could it possibly be just an UI change? Like the ever rumoured "Illuminous" GUI.

How i dream.


If so the reasoning at WWDC of MS stealing their idea, and the core excuse of not demoing those top secret features, would be the most asinine in the history of computing.
Gates: "Ooooo Apple has a new color scheme! Stop the press coders! I want that in Windows NOW!"

But who knows. It is Steve's RDF in action after all. :p
 
If the "secret" of leopard doesn't require developers testing...could it possibly be just an UI change? Like the ever rumoured "Illuminous" GUI.
The finder is really an application.... but other applications use it to get to files, don't they?

Anyway - say the finder uses CoreAnimation - if Leopard is out without the finder, coreanimation can still be getting tested by all the developers, so that's fine. But, the application "Finder" would still have to be tested in the wild, somehow, to ensure it works.
 
Please Share...

Do you agree with the speculation that iWork is Leopard-dependent and will be released only when Leopard is completed?

Not to rain on everyone's parade, but I'm highly skeptical. I've got the latest seed of Leopard, and it's still not even close to ready for prime time.

A March release is possible -- I would be thrilled to have to eat my words on this -- but I am skeptical.
 
when in march are we tlaking about? late or just anytime in march is highly unlikley
:apple: :apple: :apple:
 
yeah ive read it, and uh yeah i still dont undersand it :eek:

can anyone explain it in lehmens terms...

It's a file system. A file system is essentially the software that stores files on a disk, determining where to put them, and how to find them. Macintoshes normally use HFS+ for their file systems. Mac OS X also supports a file system called UFS, but almost nobody uses it. HFS+'s origins go back to later versions of classic Mac OS, where it was an upgrade to HFS, which in turn was designed back in the late 1980s, when most Macs primarily used 400k-1.4M floppy disks.

ZFS is an extremely advanced file system that supports a lot of things HFS+ doesn't. Many of them fit into the Macintosh "Just works" philosophy. For example, you can add a disk to your computer, and configure your existing "drive" to be spread over both the disk that was already in your computer, and the new one, without reformatting or losing any files. So by adding the disk, you've just added space to your computer, and it was completely transparent. No reorganizing of your disk is necessary.

ZFS is more future proof than HFS+ which means future Macs will be able to interoperate better with current Macs. It uses 128bit values to store things like file positions and sizes. What this boils down to is that you can have more bytes in a file than there are atoms in the universe, and ZFS will handle it gracefully. Of course, you'll need a disk that big, which you'll not be able to get, because, well, you'd need a lot of atoms ;)

Older file systems generally get "upgraded" every years with a batch of hacks to support larger disk sizes than were anticipated when the file system was written. That will not be necessary with ZFS.

ZFS supports the same kinds of things you're used to in Mac OS X, such as long filenames, directories, "meta data" (icons, file type information, default application, etc), and other useful extras.

It's extremely fast, and has little or no legacy issues that would slow it down.

Does that help?
 
It's a file system. A file system is essentially the software that stores files on a disk, determining where to put them, and how to find them. Macintoshes normally use HFS+ for their file systems. Mac OS X also supports a file system called UFS, but almost nobody uses it. HFS+'s origins go back to later versions of classic Mac OS, where it was an upgrade to HFS, which in turn was designed back in the late 1980s, when most Macs primarily used 400k-1.4M floppy disks.

ZFS is an extremely advanced file system that supports a lot of things HFS+ doesn't. Many of them fit into the Macintosh "Just works" philosophy. For example, you can add a disk to your computer, and configure your existing "drive" to be spread over both the disk that was already in your computer, and the new one, without reformatting or losing any files. So by adding the disk, you've just added space to your computer, and it was completely transparent. No reorganizing of your disk is necessary.

ZFS is more future proof than HFS+ which means future Macs will be able to interoperate better with current Macs. It uses 128bit values to store things like file positions and sizes. What this boils down to is that you can have more bytes in a file than there are atoms in the universe, and ZFS will handle it gracefully. Of course, you'll need a disk that big, which you'll not be able to get, because, well, you'd need a lot of atoms ;)

Older file systems generally get "upgraded" every years with a batch of hacks to support larger disk sizes than were anticipated when the file system was written. That will not be necessary with ZFS.

ZFS supports the same kinds of things you're used to in Mac OS X, such as long filenames, directories, "meta data" (icons, file type information, default application, etc), and other useful extras.

It's extremely fast, and has little or no legacy issues that would slow it down.

Does that help?

yeah it does thanks mon
 
Do agree with the speculation that iWork is Leopard-dependent and will be released only when Leopard is completed?

Yes I agree with iLife and iWork being leapord dependant and I thought everybody else did but I was proved wrong several times tonight when lots of people post that they think iLife and iWork will be launched before leapord. I cant see this but I ofcourse could be wrong.

The 64bit debate is now starting to do my head in. Watch wwdc06keynote again everybody. Steve jobs states leapord has support for 64bit. it is true 64bit and does not use emulators. Just install leapord people when it comes out and forget about the 64bit thing because leapord supports 64bit along side 32bit no switch or extra installs.
 
I was budgeting for a new Mac with Leopard in the summer, but I just reinstalled panther and my powerbook s flying again. Now I am rescheduling Leopard/MacPro purchase for when Think Secret get a prediction right. My money is probably safe for another 12 months.
 
I was budgeting for a new Mac with Leopard in the summer, but I just reinstalled panther and my powerbook s flying again. Now I am rescheduling Leopard/MacPro purchase for when Think Secret get a prediction right. My money is probably safe for another 12 months.

so are you getting leopard or waiting a year ?
 
When I buy, I won't able to afford to upgrade to the new ilife and leopard and new iwork. So to me, it really does matter when I buy, the fact I have to sell my only computer to switch proves a pain in the bum.

Mac Mini proves the best option for me :)
Sounds like you have to wait to get the software you want, and the mini is overdue to go core2 duo, so might as well wait. Depending on your cash a MacBook maybe better for you, but only if you have the money of course.
 
Bout Freaking Time!

I hope more than you could know this is true. I must have a new Mac. The question is: should I wait till later this year for the new Penryn processors. I want to be on the cutting edge. And if a newly designed case is in the works for the iMac in conjunction with the Penryn processors, I will wait. I appreciate any speculation on new hardware models at the time Leopard is released and the release of the Penryn systems. :confused:
 
Then, what about resolution independence? [...] many of Apple's own applications don't work properly with it. As a programmer myself, I'll be highly impressed if they get resolution independence working properly in the next few weeks.
In what way? Other than visually speaking (because the UI glyphs and widgets are not themselves ready), my impression was that resolution independence seems finished. I'm curious; what's broken?

The developer builds are most certainly incomplete, as Peace and others have said. There are too many odd little things that have never been fixed and the Finder hasn't been touched at all. All the hints are that these sections are undergoing changes in a different branch (new Finder as promised, new UI as hinted, and whatever else Apple has up its sleeve are likely candidates).
Leopard is not a new OS. It is an upgrade to OSX.
And that makes it not new, how? Vista is an upgrade to XP. It's a new OS. Mandriva 2007 is an upgrade to Mandriva 2005. It's also a new OS.
You've still not answered my question of "Why should the release of Leopard be any different to that of Tiger, Panther etc?"
It's not. This exact same thing happened here with both Tiger and Panther. I wasn't around MacRumors prior to those, but I imagine it continued further into the past.
Why should Leopard be touted as a whole new OS by certain people here, when it is to Tiger what Tiger was to Leopard?
Tiger was touted (rightly)as a whole new OS, so why shouldn't Leopard be?
 
I was looking up the ISBN number of Leopard Missing Manual and although one bookstore lists June 2007 as the publication date, another lists April. Since the latter is newer, I figure that might be an indication it will be out sooner.
 
What is resolution independance?:confused:
Resolution independence is a concept where the size of objects on your screen is not based on the number of pixels you have available to you. This is desirable because as pixels get smaller and smaller, resolution increases at a high rate. An element, say a JPEG picture, has a fixed size in pixels, say 350x350. On a 15" 1280x800 display, it might be 4" in size. On a 15" 1920x1200 display, it would be just 3" on a side. As resolutions increase, fixed-pixel objects shrink. This is why some displays have resolutions too high to be useful (because text and interface objects become too small to be useful.

Resolution independence allows developers to say that, say, the red "close" window button will always be 1/4" in diameter. That means that it will be 1/4" in diameter whether the screen has a resolution of 100x40 or 1440x900 or 5000x3000. This will also get rid of "the jaggies" for the most part and allow people to work with extremely high resolutions without microscopic buttons and text.

I was looking up the ISBN number of Leopard Missing Manual and although one bookstore lists June 2007 as the publication date, another lists April. Since the latter is newer, I figure that might be an indication it will be out sooner.
ISBN publication dates are just projections submitted by the publisher. Unless a specific date has been announced, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. Book authors are rarely given any privileged information. Even with a date, one can't be sure until it's actually in the presses being printed.
 
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