Don't confuse 64b virtual addressing (which is what 10.5 is allowing via non-deprecated frameworks/libraries) with what the hardware is capable of addressing. One doesn't require the other.
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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?
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Don't confuse 64b virtual addressing (which is what 10.5 is allowing via non-deprecated frameworks/libraries) with what the hardware is capable of addressing. One doesn't require the other.
As was Tiger... And before that Panther... And Jaguar and Puma...
They've all added on to the previous version... Why should Leopard be any different?
Core Data, Core Image, Core Video, Dashboard, Automator, QTKit, PDFKit, Voiceover and expanded accessibility APIs, ACLs, expanded metadata support for files in HFS+, Unix command lines tools updated to support HFS+ metadata, UTIs, KPIs, kevent, 64 bit virtual addressing for POSIX command line tools, and many more items
I bailed as soon as they started charging for it.
What disappointment. It was supposed to be a feature of OS 10.0 that didn't cost anything additional. Then, one day I get an e-mail saying it won't be free starting the following month. What happened to a feature of OS X.
It's like they removed part of the OS X package that I purchased. It was right on the box as a standard feature. Then, one day "Oh, we're tired of letting you use that feature that we sold you, it's going to cost $99 now".
Talk about taking features away after the sale.
I could see not including it for free with newer OS X revisions. But, I was still using the version that came with that as a standard feature. Taking it away was like taking away part of OS X's standard feature set.
Well, with that move, I sent a change of address notification to all my contacts, and haven't looked back since. I have never found any of the features worth paying extra for.
.Mac to me is basically just an overpriced version of Hotmail, or Gmail, or any other free service.
My having a .Mac e-mail address did more for Apple in terms of advertising the Mac than it ever did for me. I already had free e-mail available from my ISP, and could get any number of them for free from anyone else.
Otherwise, it's only useful feature might be synchronization or iDisk. But, like many, I have little desire to place my files on a remote server (where I have to wait to download them as I need them). And, synchronizing is not really that hard to do without .Mac. I keep 3 systems synced without paying a dime for any utility.
So, really, what they need more than an update is a price reduction. $99 is just ridiculous.
Well they were all fairly big upgrades, the biggest difference is then no one knew or cared about apple, not that they have picked up more fans, more people are interested in Leopard, and thats besides the fact that Apple is doing a good job hyping it up
Leopard will be the first major release (read 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 etc.) of OS X for intel. Apple will have learnt a lot of lessons from 10.4.4 - 10.4.xx for intel and make 10.5 a lot more optimised and stable. I think buy 10.5.6 we will have a system that is as stable as 10.4.5 is on the PPC platform. (10.4.5 was my last real experience with 10.4.5 and i am currently on 10.4.8 on Intel and it is definitely not as stable)
If you noticed my original post, I said "End User" things...
I'm not a developer, I don't even know what core image/video does!
OK, I missed out dashboard... But on the surface, the difference between Panther and Tiger was NOT that great... All I'm saying is that Leopard will just be another add on to Tiger...
And yes, Apple have a bigger fanbase watching the Leopard release, but it is STILL OSX! It's NOT a new operating system.. It'll be built around the same principles as the original OSX, with a few more features, just like every other version...
The new UI is something I personally would love to see, but I don't think it's going to be completely new... I think they'll just add a "themes" section to the appearance part of System Prefs...
Applications can choose to be either 32b or 64b under Leopard, it isn't all or nothing... not that I understand your statement. In fact just like we can have a single double clickable application with Intel and PowerPC binaries we can have a single application that has 32b and 64b binaries in it as well (32b & 64bg PowerPC and 32b & 64b Intel).
Not true.
Just because you "dont care" about anything besides the end user things, doesnt mean it isnt important, and you will care whether you realize it or not becuase they are going to make your computer work a lot nicer and look a lot nicer. So technically its not a new OS, its still OSX, but its a big step in making your computer a lot bettter. Theres a lot of things you dont know anything about on your computer right now but im willing to bet that if some of it was missing youd be able to tell.
It is how all of those "End User" applications do some of the magic they do... for example iPhoto, Aperture, and many 3rd party applications.
In other words end users may not know what Core Image is but they greatly benefit from it because the applications they use can do things that they couldn't before (as in the developer couldn't take the time to implement it themselves, etc.).
*sigh*
All I'm trying to say is that a LOT of the features that people are throwing about *ARE* the end user kind of ones, and chances are they won't make it into the final release...
I'm well aware that the advancements in the background are there and improving OSX, but on the surface, why should Leopard be any different than anything else? It'll surely just be a slightly optimized version of OSX with a few flashy features that the user will benefit from?
It just pisses me off, because there's people getting way too ahead of themselves in these forums, and when the feature they dreamt up and hyped up on here doesn't make it into Leopard, they'll get all pissy about it...
The only major changes will come with OSXI (or whatever apple calls it). I just think there's going to be a LOT of disappointed people on this forum when Leopard is unleashed and the features they were expecting don't show...
if you noticed i said "true 64bit" which means everything running as 64bit, not saying that in leopard you have to choose one or the other...and if it's "not true" then why don't you explain yourself, so others will understand better, as well as myself
Define "true 64bit" so I can
true 64bit meaning everything is running as 64bit...nothing as 32bit
i doubt to see leopard in march ilife and i work yes i think we will see in march cause what will be the focus part for wwdc 2 hrs on a quad or 8 core mac and more iphone stuff? doubt it so my guess is ilife 07 and i work 07 maybe some more detail if any in march but with the invites for the wwdc were any indecation i think we wont see leopard till wwdc
When you already have the world's finest desktop operating system, you are not forced to revolutionize it. You keep adding to it, and enhancing it. The core enhancements you make light of are far more important than you are able to seemingly grasp. Yet, you have no issues with promoting the opinion, "..but it is STILL OSX! It's NOT a new operating system..". The irony is you disclaim sufficient to judge what may be very significant, but are expert enough to make that statement.
no one is really expecting anything, they are just adding there wishes. Apple has told us very little about leopard so what do you expect people to do? and yes those end user ones that people are throwing out are made possible by programs like Core animation and all that stuff you dont care about.
They're also a member of the DVD Forum (the HD DVD people).
I don't know about other countries, but here in NZ it's *much* cheaper to get an HD DVD-equipped 360 than a PS3. In my case I have a USB HD DVD drive rearing to go, and just need some software for it.
The current version of DVD Player will play some unencrypted HD DVD content, and there are rumours for full support in Leopard
Here's hoping they're right. At least it all sounds reasonable. You would want your software suites shipping with Leopard to use its cool new features.
March would be fantastic. A little over a month away? Wow!
March would be fantastic. A little over a month away? Wow!
Whoah, that's a little demeaning..
Just because I'm not 'in the know' with regards to writing software etc, doesn't mean you have to talk down to me...
Besides, you appear to be reinforcing exactly what I've said, whilst simultaneously insulting me... Bravo.
All I'm *trying* to say is this.
WHY should Leopard be any different to the previous upgrades to OSX? Why should it be overhauled? If you actually read all of my posts before making such a scathing reply, you'd see that I was, in fact, trying to say that each version of OSX has been optimized by things I "don't care" about (Which is wrong, I do care about them, I just don't know how to use them/will never use them through coding etc, because I simply can't), with a few features that will utilise this...
Once again, I reiterate my point.. The more features that are speculated about in here, the more people will be disappointed.
he/she wasnt talking down to yuo, just pointing out exactly what your doing for everyone else, dont be so hypocrytical...were just trying to say is you may not know how to use those apps, but they are apps that are needed to run the apps that you want, and sure people are going to be dissapointed, thats life, but people have to speculate, thats life too
What does that mean?
You talking virtual memory, hardware addressing, data paths, etc.?Anyway attempting to answer why I said "not true".
Applications can use 64b virtual addressing to get access to a HUGE virtual memory space. Having access to such a large memory space allows to them to work with extremely large data sets and in ways that don't require them to implement code to do some type of sliding memory window (attempting to fit their data set into a 32b aperture). It makes programming a lot easier in those situations.
Mac OS X 10.5 will allow graphical applications to use 64b virtual addressing (10.4 limited it to basic POSIX command line tools).
The above concept is independent of how much RAM can be installed in a system or addressed by the hardware.
Additionally on Intel based system having an application compiled for 64b virtual addressing also enables ISA extensions that can improve performance of an application... again a capability independent of how much RAM a system can support.