Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

[elppa]

There are "super secret" features of Leopard that have not been seeded to Developers because they don't need testing.I have a very good idea what they are but can't "speculate" due to the NDA.
I've been saying April for a long time.And as soon as Devs get a copy with the "secret" stuff in the seed it will be all over the internet.This is a major reason for not releasing the internal seed to Developers.I've seen it happen before and will probably happen again.
If what is coming in Leopard is what I think we will be blown away and Vista will sink.

I'd rather you'd said nothing at all than that.

It's all so intriguing!




To address an earlier issue, I think much of the anticipation is due to the fact that it has been nearly 2 years since Tiger was released, which gives a company with the resources (and productivity*) of Apple Inc a great deal of time to do… well a lot more than they've shown us so far!


* resources don't mean much unless you actually do something with them. Apple seems to be very productive and hence able to bring a string of innovative and exciting products to market quickly.

 

[winstano]

he/she wasnt talking down to yuo, just pointing out exactly what your doing for everyone else, dont be so hypocrytical...

I'm not being hypocritical at all... I'm just saying that there will be disappointed people when Leopard is released... All I got was a snidey post about how I was essentially being ignorant... Which (as I've TRIED to say) isn't the case... I'm well aware of the presence of core image/video etc, but I, personally, don't know how to use it... I'm aware it makes the programs I use function more, but what I can't grasp is how people are thinking that Leopard is going to be miles apart from Tiger, because I seriously doubt it will be...

We have computers at uni that run Panther. The only difference to me is that the computers at uni don't have spotlight (I rarely use dashboard). Now, don't get me wrong, I'm aware that my Tiger system at home has a lot of things under the hood that make it technically superior to Jaguar, but it's not dramatically different. It still does the same things (with the notable exception of Spotlight/Dashboard), it looks the same, it feels the same, it is OSX. Same with a friend's computer who's still using Jaguar... It's still OSX. So why should we expect something drastically different for Leopard? Just please answer me that, as it's the point I set out to ask in the first place!

 

[quigleybc]

Leopard in June

iLife and iWork 07 in March

 

[Telp]

I'm not being hypocritical at all... I'm just saying that there will be disappointed people when Leopard is released... All I got was a snidey post about how I was essentially being ignorant... Which (as I've TRIED to say) isn't the case... I'm well aware of the presence of core image/video etc, but I, personally, don't know how to use it... I'm aware it makes the programs I use function more, but what I can't grasp is how people are thinking that Leopard is going to be miles apart from Tiger, because I seriously doubt it will be...

We have computers at uni that run Panther. The only difference to me is that the computers at uni don't have spotlight (I rarely use dashboard). Now, don't get me wrong, I'm aware that my Tiger system at home has a lot of things under the hood that make it technically superior to Jaguar, but it's not dramatically different. It still does the same things (with the notable exception of Spotlight/Dashboard), it looks the same, it feels the same, it is OSX. Same with a friend's computer who's still using Jaguar... It's still OSX. So why should we expect something drastically different for Leopard? Just please answer me that, as it's the point I set out to ask in the first place!

well id think atleast update to leopard from jaguar, even if you odnt want to from tiger. Its not just all about the OS either, its whats compatible, pretty soon jaguar isnt going to be compatible with most of things even tiger has today. Thats third party apps and just regular mac updates. Security and jsut overall what the computer supports. As the new updates come out, not just the internal part or what you can see gets better, but what that computer is capable of doing increases, and OS jaguar will be stuck in the past. If you dont care thats fine, but it does make a difference whether you care or not, whether you accept it or not, whatever it is your still dont understand about updating to the newest OS. Its just better for the computer

 

[Krevnik]

true 64bit meaning everything is running as 64bit...nothing as 32bit

"True 64-bit" as you describe it is worthless to the end user, and the developer. Unlike Windows, OS X using universal binaries, and libraries that are now compiled for both 32 and 64 bit... you can compile a binary to run the best it can on any of the 4 supported architectures. Add on top of that the fact that having 32-bit processes and 64-bit processes running at the same time don't interfere with each other... and there is no point on phasing out 32-bit support in the OS anytime in the next 6-7 years.

 

[The Scotsman]

Suggestion

I have just watched the wwdc06 keynote speech again just now. I suggest a lot of guys should do the same. Yes a lot of things were not announced and Steve did say there was secret features that they did not want to announce yet. You will find that leapord is true 64bit running along side 32bit by true 64 bit they are not using emulators to enhance a 32bit app. You will also see that apple gave leapord to developers at this conference and let them leave after the week with the know how to develop for leapord.

For those say yes but it is still an update of osX tiger. Yes I suppose it is but if thats what you think I think you are failing to see apples vision of regular updates instead of waiting 5 years for a new OS eg vista.

Leapord is going to be fantastic. Not an Windows killer (but should be) remember windows (wrongly) still holds 90% of OS usage so they are not going to be killed by 1 OS but every day apple is taking bites out of them.

Trust me watch the keynote again and you will be inspired!!!!

 

[BigPrince]

im excited. Just wish iLife would come sooner.

Does this mean if you want iLife you need Leopard and if not, how could iLife be tied to leopard.

 

[winstano]

well id think atleast update to leopard from jaguar, even if you odnt want to from tiger. Its not just all about the OS either, its whats compatible, pretty soon jaguar isnt going to be compatible with most of things even tiger has today. Thats third party apps and just regular mac updates. Security and jsut overall what the computer supports. As the new updates come out, not just the internal part or what you can see gets better, but what that computer is capable of doing increases, and OS jaguar will be stuck in the past. If you dont care thats fine, but it does make a difference whether you care or not

Oh aye, don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be first in the queue for Leopard, solely for Time Machine... I'm just not hyping it up as much as some people are, and I'm prepared to sit back and let Apple give me what they're prepared to...

whether you accept it or not, whatever it is you still dont understand about updating to the newest OS. Its just better for the computer

?? I don't think you're getting my point...

My point, once again, is this.

Leopard is not a new OS. It is an upgrade to OSX. Some of the changes people are suggesting imply radical changes to the fundamentals of the OS, as opposed to a more standard "upgrade"...

I know that keeping up to date is important and good for the computer etc, like I said, personally I'm gonna be getting Leopard asap... But unlike some, I'm just seeing this as an extension to OSX as opposed to a completely different system.

 

[Telp]

im excited. Just wish iLife would come sooner.

Does this mean if you want iLife you need Leopard and if not, how could iLife be tied to leopard.

not necessarily, but it does mean that ilife prolly wont come out till leopard since its closely related with things leopard can do. ilife should be able to run in tiger too tho

 

[chmorley]

Hard-dying myth

just don't forget that Apple first got it's visual UI way back when from Xerox.

Nope. A popular myth, but a myth, nonetheless. Gates tries to make it sound this way because it benefits him, but it's just not so.

Here's a good reference:

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html

Tell all your friends. This is one of those "say it enough and it might as well be true" pieces of the mythology I'd just as soon see go away.

Chris

 

[Telp]

Oh aye, don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be first in the queue for Leopard, solely for Time Machine... I'm just not hyping it up as much as some people are, and I'm prepared to sit back and let Apple give me what they're prepared to...



?? I don't think you're getting my point...

My point, once again, is this.

Leopard is not a new OS. It is an upgrade to OSX. Some of the changes people are suggesting imply radical changes to the fundamentals of the OS, as opposed to a more standard "upgrade"...

I know that keeping up to date is important and good for the computer etc, like I said, personally I'm gonna be getting Leopard asap... But unlike some, I'm just seeing this as an extension to OSX as opposed to a completely different system.

12 of one a dozen of the other

its the same thing, people just choose to see it differently, that doesnt mean they see it as anything bigger then you do, but that maybe they recognize exactly how big it is, and exactly what all the technical stuff means.

 

[shawnce]

I should note that those with ADC accounts (free "online" accounts included) can visit the following page http://developer.apple.com/adconitunes/ and get access to Session 000 (Mac OS X State of the Union) and Session 500 (IT State of the Union) from WWDC 06.

Apple opened those particular session up to all developer as few days ago ... they contain more details then you saw in Steve's keynote (the session is targeted at developers).

Of course those with ADC accounts that have seed keys can get access to all recorded sessions from WWDC 06 via that link.

The videos are still under the normal ADC account preview software NDA... so watch but don't tell

All information presented or provided to you by Apple through ADC on iTunes is considered Confidential Information and is subject to the terms and conditions of your ADC Membership Agreement with Apple.

 

[winstano]

its the same thing, people just choose to see it differently, that doesnt mean they see it as anything bigger then you do, but that maybe they recognize exactly how big it is, and exactly what all the technical stuff means.

Why the sarky comments?!

For the last time. I REALISE what the technical stuff means for programs that choose to utilise it. I REALISE that Leopard is going to be huge, but what people fail to grasp is that Leopard is STILL OSX... OK? Look at the name of this forum "OSX 10.5 (Leopard)... That is the key.

You've still not answered my question of "Why should the release of Leopard be any different to that of Tiger, Panther etc?" Why should Leopard be touted as a whole new OS by certain people here, when it is to Tiger what Tiger was to Leopard?

 

[aswitcher]

Be nice if they just rolled iLife and iWork together for a bt cheaper, and did a family version as well.

 

[Telp]

Why the sarky comments?!

For the last time. I REALISE what the technical stuff means for programs that choose to utilise it. I REALISE that Leopard is going to be huge, but what people fail to grasp is that Leopard is STILL OSX... OK? Look at the name of this forum "OSX 10.5 (Leopard)... That is the key.

You've still not answered my question of "Why should the release of Leopard be any different to that of Tiger, Panther etc?" Why should Leopard be touted as a whole new OS by certain people here, when it is to Tiger what Tiger was to Leopard?

that wasnt sarky so dont think of it that way, (although i can see why you would think that) people just call major releases new OS' cuz it basically is a new OS within the same OS...if that makes any sence

 

[Telp]

Be nice if they just rolled iLife and iWork together for a bt cheaper, and did a family version as well.

they do do a family version of ilife

 

[The Scotsman]

they do do a family version of ilife

The family version of ilife has no extra features it just means you are purchasing the license to install it onto a maximum of 5 computers in your home!!!

 

[winstano]

that wasnt sarky so dont think of it that way, (although i can see why you would think that) people just call major releases new OS' cuz it basically is a new OS within the same OS...if that makes any sence

Fair do's...

It sorta makes sense, but right now it's 2:41am, and I'm gonna get some sleep...

 

[Telp]

The family version of ilife has no extra features it just means you are purchasing the license to install it onto a maximum of 5 computers in your home!!!

exactly...

 

[shawnce]

Why should Leopard be touted as a whole new OS by certain people here

It shouldn't.

It is however bringing a lot of new stuff to the table and the 64b framework set is the end of the line for a decent chunk of legacy APIs from early Mac OS NeXTStep/OpenStep, and Mac OS X (existing applications are not affected).

So in a way 10.5 will affect the future of Mac OS X and application development more then 10.4 ever did.

 

[Telp]

It shouldn't.

It is however bringing a lot of new stuff to the table and the 64b framework set is the end of the line for a decent chunk of legacy APIs from early Mac OS NeXTStep/OpenStep, and Mac OS X (existing applications are not affected).

So in a way 10.5 will affect the future of Mac OS X and application development more then 10.4 ever did.

and this will in turn affect mac presently as well

 

[chmorley]

...WHY should Leopard be any different to the previous upgrades to OSX? Why should it be overhauled? If you actually read all of my posts before making such a scathing reply, you'd see that I was, in fact, trying to say that each version of OSX has been optimized by things I "don't care" about (Which is wrong, I do care about them, I just don't know how to use them/will never use them through coding etc, because I simply can't), with a few features that will utilise this...

Once again, I reiterate my point.. The more features that are speculated about in here, the more people will be disappointed.

If you believe hat little has changed in OS X for the end user, try using 10.1 or 10.2 for a day or two. I believe you will find 10.4 is a system that is a) markedly faster, b) is easier to work with. I was thinking about this recently--while each release has been evolutionary (rather than revolutionary), when you compare the progress that has been made since 10.2 is huge--certainly greater than the difference between Windows 2000 and Win XP. I'd expect the additional integration of Mail and iCal to do's and some of the other core OS features will make a big enough difference that most of us will be happy. When you add to that the addition of CoreAnimation (and what looked in the WWDC '07 keynote to be very cool integration with Keynote), I think most of us will be pleasantly surprised.

Honestly, my mother has all she needs in an OS. I doubt Leopard will make a difference for her. For many of us, though, it'll be a nice upgrade.

And thanks for trying to save us from disappointing ourselves, but I think we'll be all right.

Chris

 

[Toe]

I am not a regular visitor of think secret. I visited tonight and had a good poke about and one thing I did find is that comments posted from think secret regulars dont think TH is very credible. I also read a lot of their past post/news/rumours and a lot of them a very wrong.

IMHO, ThinkSecret has the best track record of any rumors site.

 

[k2k koos]

Please elaborate. Please, please elaborate!

If it's true that

1) There are top secret features AND
2) 10.5 is just a month or two away from release

Then it follows that the secret features won't need developer testing, and are more of an application than a OS feature. And what application would that be?

I don't know, but I daydream about it being a MS-killer. Windows-virtualization built in?

1) YES: Steve Jobs even mentions it in his keynote last year at WWDC
2) Not certain, but there is a possibility, you never know with Apple.

 

[Toe]

Vista spread out to 4-5 years is nothing....

Except that you have to wait 4-5 years for a (somewhat) significant upgrade. Compare that to the frequent updates I've gotten from Apple.

I'm sure I've spent more on OS X in the past 5 years than some people are spending now on Vista, but... I got to get more frequent improvements. And those improvements add up to a Tiger that is noticeably superior to Vista in numerous ways.