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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

I Doubt It...

I would love for a March Leopard release, but I seriously doubt it. Why? Well, here's a few reasons:

1st: It's almost the middle of February, and we've heard nothing regarding a release date. Leopard contains a TON of under the hood modifications to the OS, and as a result, it breaks a bunch of apps. Giving third party developers a month to fix their app to work with a new OS isn't cool. Apple traditionally gives a little more notice than that. Factor in the rumor that a whole new UI will be part of Leopard, and there is almost no way Apple would spring a release that monumental without ample lead time for the 3rd party developers.

2nd: The builds of Leopard have yet to hit Release Candidate status, let alone Final Candidate status. Once the OS hits RC, it's usually between 4-6 weeks before the final release.

3rd: With WWDC in early June, I'm betting Apple will use it as a launching pad for Leopard and other new Mac products. Apple will want to make the Leopard launch the event of the year, and what better way than to couple it with WWDC. Plus, technically, early June is still spring.
 
jettredmont said:
As was posted before: waiting for Leopard to buy a machine is putting the cart before the horse. There's always something new to wait for, both in hardware and software. The only rational approach is to buy it when you need it, putting purchases off or pulling them forward by no more than a week or two when a release date is known. I think it is pretty much 100% agreed upon that Leopard won't be out in one or even two weeks. End of March is a very aggressive target date, given what we know. Thus, I'd buy today if I were in the market for a new machine.
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I would agree with you in the software sense and even in the hardware sense if in a windows/pc environment but that is the beauty of apple hardware it is upgraded not as often as a windows based system and its insides. Apple tend to build a completely new machine every couple of years and have a few speed bumps inbetween. If I was predicting just a speed bump I would no question buy now and upgrade to leapord at the time but I do sense (With my apple senses) a new iMac completely and even if that was 6 months away I would be incredibly PI+SED Off with myself for not waiting. I am however thinking of buying a mac mini just to get started on my projects and then buy new mac when it comes then I will pimp out my mac to be one hell of an entertainment hub.
 
QCassidy352 said:
That said, I do agree with the post that said better that Apple takes its time and avoids the glaring bugs that have marked 10.3.0 and 10.4.0. If they can get a fairly bug-free version out in March then GREAT, but I really hope they don't rush it to market.
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I never had any issues with the initial release of 10.4.
 
OS X Factor said:
I would love for a March Leopard release, but I seriously doubt it. Why? Well, here's a few reasons:

1st: It's almost the middle of February, and we've heard nothing regarding a release date. Leopard contains a TON of under the hood modifications to the OS, and as a result, it breaks a bunch of apps. Giving third party developers a month to fix their app to work with a new OS isn't cool. Apple traditionally gives a little more notice than that. Factor in the rumor that a whole new UI will be part of Leopard, and there is almost no way Apple would spring a release that monumental without ample lead time for the 3rd party developers.

2nd: The builds of Leopard have yet to hit Release Candidate status, let alone Final Candidate status. Once the OS hits RC, it's usually between 4-6 weeks before the final release.

3rd: With WWDC in early June, I'm betting Apple will use it as a launching pad for Leopard and other new Mac products. Apple will want to make the Leopard launch the event of the year, and what better way than to couple it with WWDC. Plus, technically, early June is still spring.
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Sorry guys risk of spamming here. Would i not be correct in saying leapord might be backward compatible so issue 1: would not apply. Developers will have plenty of time to adjust apps accordingly and with core could release "optimised for leapord" apps? I really am not sure. Fill me in?
 
EagerDragon said:
I like the current UI, I hope the changes to the UI windows, and buttons are not too radicall.
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I may be yelled and screamed at but I for one like the new design of Vista even if elements are taken from OS X. I hope the new UI will outdo Vista.
 
mbuhmann said:
I may be yelled and screamed at but I for one like the new design of Vista even if elements are taken from OS X. I hope the new UI will outdo Vista.
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Hey it better be nice, they spent 5 years on it. Too bad it doesnt go much beyond the UI.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Won't go near it even with a 10 meter cattle prod. If it launches in March I may buy it in July once the bugs are shaken out of it.
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Now now... waiting 3 months is better than jumping in without looking. But the best bet, as always, is to watch the reports of adopters of any version, look at your own setup, and decide when it's sensible to step across. :)

MonkeyHugger said:
All I wanna do is switch from windows to a mac mini. It's proving so much hassle. I just wanna buy at the right time but at the moment it seems to be proving so much hassle.
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If your money is short, and your Windows machine is still running, wait till June. Get 10.5 and iLife with your MacMini, which (hopefully) will be upgraded too (C2D/64bit, & perhaps learning something from AppleTV)

JQW said:
I wonder if 10.4.9 is going to introduce a new framework back ported from Leopard? If iLife and iWork 07 both depend on this framework, then this may explain the delay.
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Agreed. I do hope they allow older versions access to newer apps in some way. Then again, I'd like to see 10.4 released for free when 10.5 is released. Simplify things for developers.
 
coffey7 said:
What! I bought Vista for $149. I just upgraded 1 of my xp computers and did a complete clean install. Why pay the higher price when you don't have to. I could have even Bought the home premium for $130 on tthe net. Even if somebody paid $400 spread that out over 4 or 5 years and its not much. If you can't afford that you should not even have a computer hobby.
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Excellent point.

I have a garment business and i sell t-shirts bulk orders only
I sell the shirts for like 2.85 with an order of 34 or more.

Everyday i get a phone call asking if i can lower it more because its too expensive. Keep in mind that they can sell this shirts for like 19-29 bucks in retail stores 9thats how much they sell retail)
but they still feel the need to try and bargain. My whole point is no matter at what price you sell your product there will always be a particular group that will always find an excuse to not pay what your asking for.

Vista spread out to 4-5 years is nothing....

Like you said-if you think is too expensive then you should not be in the computer hobby at all.

Props
 
If you install the 64 bit version in say a macbook core 2 duo it will take the rest of the year to get all the programs updated to 64 bit. Even with Vista I installed the 32 bit because its to early for 64. Since I only have a macbook core duo I will go out and buy the new os BUT install the 32 bit version. Its way too early for 64 bit.
 
Well, whenever leopard comes out, I know I'm looking forward to getting my copy. Having it by the end of March would be so awesome.
 
coffey7 said:
If you install the 64 bit version in say a macbook core 2 duo it will take the rest of the year to get all the programs updated to 64 bit. Even with Vista I installed the 32 bit because its to early for 64. Since I only have a macbook core duo I will go out and buy the new os BUT install the 32 bit version. Its way too early for 64 bit.
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whats the difference? i still dont fully understand that yet either. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Telp said:
I dont really understand ZFS, does someone wnt to explain it :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong:
New file system.
*If you're running out of space, it allows you to add a new disk and have that space added to your existing disk (instead of appearing as 2 separate disks)
*Holds far more files due to 128bit.
*Automatically keeps older copies of your data so you can go back to what you were seeing yesterday (similar to time machine, but at the filesystem level rather than relying on time machine app)
*Changes the size of the file blocks so that tiny files take up a tiny block (instead of a small block)
*Allows you to setup disks redundantly so if one fails your data is safe (and ZFS's "raid" works faster and cheaper than normal sets of raid disks)
*Allows you to combine the disks from 2 different computers into one virtual disk.

It doesn't work as a boot volume - you need to boot from a file system that is a bit less complex, though this functionality is being worked on, and maybe Apple with EFI can achieve something.
 
Telp said:
whats the difference? i still dont fully understand that yet either. :confused: :confused: :confused:
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64 bit is to allow apps to take advantage of 4gigs of ram or more...true 64 bit-ness is a long time from now, especially considering that only one mac can have more than 4 gigs of ram, and this is basically true for the pc world too
 
coffey7 said:
If you install the 64 bit version in say a macbook core 2 duo it will take the rest of the year to get all the programs updated to 64 bit. Even with Vista I installed the 32 bit because its to early for 64. Since I only have a macbook core duo I will go out and buy the new os BUT install the 32 bit version. Its way too early for 64 bit.
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Hey I understand what you are saying with vista but leapord will run 32 and 64 bit apps side by side so this will not be an issue with leapord.
 
sexyfoolxx said:
64 bit is to allow apps to take advantage of 4gigs of ram or more...true 64 bit-ness is a long time from now, especially considering that only one mac can have more than 4 gigs of ram, and this is basically true for the pc world too
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Oh thats amazing, so whats it like if its not "true 64 bit" and then wouldnt that maybe mean that the new imacs will be able to hold 4 gigs RAM
 
uNext said:
Vista is not a piece of crap i personally feel like vista is a good operating system.

But theres something about windows that i ant get rid of..
i like mac os x but i just cant shake windows.

Unlike the millions of people i feel like windows operating systems are good i have nevere had any issues with nothing on a xp machine. Maybe i am lucky or the computer gods watch over me.
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Zblax was right, you should die. If you dont know by now just how evil MS is and how little control you will have of a Vista pc, then no feeling sorry for you, just lay down please and die before you infecct others.
 
Telp said:
Oh thats amazing, so whats it like if its not "true 64 bit" and then wouldnt that maybe mean that the new imacs will be able to hold 4 gigs RAM
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"true 64 bit" is one step closer due to leopard being completely compatible with 64bit, to allow apps to take advantage of it, but that means all the apps would need to be 64bit as well...in the real world, we haven't come close to needing one or two apps to be able to take advantage of this much ram...but yes for true 64 bit, all computers would need to handle at least 4gigs of ram
 
OS X Factor said:
I would love for a March Leopard release, but I seriously doubt it. Why? Well, here's a few reasons:

1st: It's almost the middle of February, and we've heard nothing regarding a release date. Leopard contains a TON of under the hood modifications to the OS, and as a result, it breaks a bunch of apps.
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Huh? Which apps are those? Leopard should cause little to no problems to any existing applications.
 
I think at the end of the day, some people are getting WAY ahead of themselves as to what Leopard really is all about...

It's an addition to OSX. It's not a completely new OS...

It'll include some new features, yes... But when it really comes down to it, it's still OSX... Was there really this much hoo-hah when Tiger came out? When you think about it, the only major thing that was added there was spotlight (I'm no doubt bound to be proved wrong, but the only real 'standard' end-user difference is spotlight)...

I think people are getting ahead of themselves when they say "But Leopard should be an intel based OS with legacy support to PPC stuff" etc... Leopard is a version of OSX... It's an add-on to the OSX version we all know and love that is Tiger... If there were changes as radical as some of those being suggested here, then surely it would be OSXI?
 
winstano said:
I think at the end of the day, some people are getting WAY ahead of themselves as to what Leopard really is all about...

It's an addition to OSX. It's not a completely new OS...

It'll include some new features, yes... But when it really comes down to it, it's still OSX... Was there really this much hoo-hah when Tiger came out? When you think about it, the only major thing that was added there was spotlight (I'm no doubt bound to be proved wrong, but the only real 'standard' end-user difference is spotlight)...

I think people are getting ahead of themselves when they say "But Leopard should be an intel based OS with legacy support to PPC stuff" etc... Leopard is a version of OSX... It's an add-on to the OSX version we all know and love that is Tiger... If there were changes as radical as some of those being suggested here, then surely it would be OSXI?
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But its big enough that Apple is making us pay for it, new features and new configuration to it all
 
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