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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Software Update and Drivers

MacFly123 said:
Well, since this is a Leopard thread can we ask some Leopard questions??? I would ask them in the latest build threads but all they like to do is post screen caps of system prefs and talk about cat names :mad:

What is the transition into FrontRow like now??? Is there one? Is it like the current disappearing desktop now?

Does iChat still have screen sharing??? I know it is in Finder, I want to know if it is still in iChat as well because the last screen shots I saw still had the button for it.

Could the Aqua scroll bars and buttons/sliders etc. still be replaced??? Does that take a while or is it pretty easily done? I will be really surprised if Apple leaves them in because as much as i LOVE Aqua, they really don't fit anymore with the other UI changes :(

DISCUSS PLEASE :D
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The Front Row transition is to/from black.

iChat still has screen sharing.

The Aqua scroll bars could VERY easily be replaced. I bet in the next build they will be along with being a release candidate.

[nate]
 
quietmind said:
What exactly is the rush to get Leopard, aside from the novelty of it?

Tiger is an outstanding OS, and is hardly riddled with bugs. It's far and away better than XP, and it's not like it's been six years since the last update. A year from now, Leopard will be on our systems, and a few months won't make any real difference.
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XCode 3.0/ObjC2.0 and much more. POSIX 64bit UNIX and much more.
 
only had my mac since tiger so never updated the OS, is it straightforward?
is it better to move all my stuff on to my external hard drive and do a complete reinstall?
or are all your files kept on the mac while 10.5 installs?
 
redgaz26 said:
only had my mac since tiger so never updated the OS, is it straightforward?
is it better to move all my stuff on to my external hard drive and do a complete reinstall?
or are all your files kept on the mac while 10.5 installs?
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No need for complete re-install. Apple is easy like that ;)


Edit: So, you get all your files, all your contacts in adress book, all your pictures, all your movives etc etc. Just a better OS as well !
Edit 2: And yes, it is straightforward. I will assume you use around 30 minutes on the whole installation process.
 
Missing NEF Support

Leopard works nice, but I miss any NEF-Support(Nikon RAW Format).

It didn't work in finder or preview neither in Aperture. Anyone out there with the same problem?
 
redgaz26 said:
only had my mac since tiger so never updated the OS, is it straightforward?
is it better to move all my stuff on to my external hard drive and do a complete reinstall?
or are all your files kept on the mac while 10.5 installs?
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Updating your OS is always a terrible idea. Always do a fresh install. Move any important data/info off your main HD (burn to a cd or something) and do a complete reformat and fresh install.
 
quietmind said:
What exactly is the rush to get Leopard, aside from the novelty of it?

Tiger is an outstanding OS, and is hardly riddled with bugs. It's far and away better than XP, and it's not like it's been six years since the last update. A year from now, Leopard will be on our systems, and a few months won't make any real difference.
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I've found that Tiger is more unstable then XP... So I'm hoping 10.5 will fix this
 
Stridder44 said:
Updating your OS is always a terrible idea. Always do a fresh install. Move any important data/info off your main HD (burn to a cd or something) and do a complete reformat and fresh install.
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Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why would anyone follow such a drastic notion without worthy explanation?

I'll stick to updating.
 
CJM said:
Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why would anyone follow such a drastic notion without worthy explanation?

I'll stick to updating.
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I suggest archive and install, although that takes some time to complete.

The thing is, power users have lots of 3rd party, often open source apps and system tweaking tools installed that don't work with the new OS. Libraries can get mixed up. Or worse, it could seriously corrupt your system. I'd suggest you make a full backup of your existing system. You can do this by booting from your tiger instalation disk and run disk utility from the DVD (instead of installing Tiger again). You can make a bootable copy of your Macintosh HD on your external drive this way. I usually use the backup feature of iCal and Adress book since those 2 contain very valuable data for me. Also my user library (the on in the home folder) as it contains my e-Mail library. Then comes documents and pictures folders.

Then, install leopard on your Mac after formating the drive. Then connect your Tiger Backup drive and copy the files into your leopard folders, i.e. drag and drop the contents of your backed up documents into Leopard's documents folder. You can do this with most other data, but don't copy the library over without knowing what you're doing. Finally drag and drop your iCal and adress book backups onto the Leopard applications. I don't know how it works with Mail though. I like keeping the e-Mails of 2 years worth around but I don't know if I can just copy /user/library/Mail over to Leopard and have all my mails and settings in Leopard.

PS: You will notice how much free space you will have because you only copied the necessary data and not the junk you downloaded and did not remember to delete.
 
CJM said:
Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why would anyone follow such a drastic notion without worthy explanation?

I'll stick to updating.
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I did an archive and install when upgrading from Panther to Tiger and had no problems at all. I had waited until (I think it was) 10.4.3 before doing so, though.

Since buying a Mac Pro in April I've been having a pretty good hack around including at a Unix level and so am tempted to backup my stuff to a USB drive and then wipe clean and install. This is nothing to do with Apple, though, more to do with any damage I may have done myself!! :rolleyes:

I guess the recommendation would be that if you can spare the extra time then a wipe/install is not a bad thing to do, but if you can't be bothered then an archive/install has worked well in the past. Bear in the mind that this is Apple we're talking about and not M$ so switchers should just relax and not think that everything will go horribly wrong - it usually doesn't on the Mac :)
 
CJM said:
Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why would anyone follow such a drastic notion without worthy explanation?

I'll stick to updating.
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I think its generally recommended to do a complete reinstall rather than an upgrade. You are more likely to run into more problems.

Archive and install takes longer, but less hassle in the long run.

I did an upgrade - I think for 10.2 to 10.3 and there were plenty of problems, so from then, it was always archive and install instead. No problems. Also, there may be some old files left behind that you no longer need cluttering your hard disc.
 
Stella said:
I think its generally recommended to do a complete reinstall rather than an upgrade. You are more likely to run into more problems.

Archive and install takes longer, but less hassle in the long run.

I did an upgrade - I think for 10.2 to 10.3 and there were plenty of problems, so from then, it was always archive and install instead. No problems. Also, there may be some old files left behind that you no longer need cluttering your hard disc.
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What, exactly, does archive and install do? Do you have to manually replace everything from the archive? And does it replace everything (including apps and system prefs)? If it replaces everything then why is it different than a simple upgrade?

I'm really confused be the difference between simple upgrading and archiving and installing.
 
It archives your installation of just OSX ( move it to a different location ) and installs a completely fresh copy of OSX. So, its like a new install except your existing OSX installation is backed up.

It is then up to you to copy any configuration plist / other files as needed.

Manic Mouse said:
What, exactly, does archive and install do? Do you have to manually replace everything from the archive? And does it replace everything (including apps and system prefs)? If it replaces everything then why is it different than a simple upgrade?

I'm really confused be the difference between simple upgrading and archiving and installing.
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john7jr said:
Not anymore. 10.5's default behavior is to upgrade.
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I don't trust upgrading - too many old files etc - there will always be problems with it. I think I'll stick to archive and install :)
 
CJM said:
Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why would anyone follow such a drastic notion without worthy explanation?

I'll stick to updating.
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Fresh installs has always been a "good idea" in the PC world. If you ever needed to fix a problem with windows, you would format your computer and reinstall the OS. So when you would have a OS upgrade, why not format and do a clean install... as you were sure there was probably an OS problem lerking around in there anyway.
 
As I type this on my TiBook that has been upgraded from 9.1 to 10.0 beta, to 10.0 to 10.1 to 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 with nary a problem . . . :rolleyes:
 
I have MacPro and I have always kept my 4 HDs as seperate entities. This month I have been moving all my stuff to either external HDs (iTunes has over 250GB of LL music) or the other drives. The only thing I'm worried about is Parallels. It would be a pain to load that back on again but I don't have much on it, only a few card games and Webshots. I knew this was going to happen so didn't put much in my VPC and still have most of my PC junk on my old Gateway.
 
glennyboiwpg said:
Sorry, Steve Jobs is pulling leopard developers to work on iPhone 2.0 and the iphone nano, and leopard won't be ready until feburary 2000Never.
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Comments like this are pointless. Apple obviously had their bets in the right place with iPhone, so I'm not angry at all that resources were borrowed from Leopard's development.
 
redgaz26 said:
only had my mac since tiger so never updated the OS, is it straightforward?
is it better to move all my stuff on to my external hard drive and do a complete reinstall?
or are all your files kept on the mac while 10.5 installs?
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so many different views on this. if you do an archive and install does that not take up alot of space on the hard drive?
i'm thinking of putting everything i need ie pictures, movies, music on my external drive then doing a clean install, then putting everything back wipe my external clean and then let time machine do it's thing!
advisable?
 
redgaz26 said:
so many different views on this. if you do an archive and install does that not take up alot of space on the hard drive?
i'm thinking of putting everything i need ie pictures, movies, music on my external drive then doing a clean install, then putting everything back wipe my external clean and then let time machine do it's thing!
advisable?
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You can remove the archives when your happy with the installation, so its not that much of a big deal - if you've got the space disc space. It would take a few gigs for the existing OSX installation, and I think it archives your /Users directory ( I'm can't remember ).
 
Haha! Tiger stable. Even the desktop is buggy. Showing wrong item info, and every once in a while its eager to rearrange all the icons so you can resort them. Really annoying. Can't believe they haven't fixed that yet...
 
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