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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Software Update and Drivers

Front Row and Remote

Is anyone else having problems with Front Row using the Apple remote? When I press the menu button, Front Row appears as it should, but then I can only use the keyboard to navigate once it's open. The up and down arrows only control sound and the play and menu buttons do nothing.
 
glennyboiwpg said:
Fresh installs has always been a "good idea" in the PC world. If you ever needed to fix a problem with windows, you would format your computer and reinstall the OS. So when you would have a OS upgrade, why not format and do a clean install... as you were sure there was probably an OS problem lerking around in there anyway.
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I've always upgraded with no issues. My 12" PB has made the transition from Jaguar -> Panther -> Tiger with no issues.

If you really worried I'd recommend an Archive and Install.

Of course a full backup is recommended before upgrading, I would recommend using something like Carbon Copy Cloner for example.
 
Ben Logan said:
+1

I'll miss that effect. Sometimes I'll launch front row just to enjoy the scooting back of the desktop while the icons spin into view.

Fade to black....booooorring...
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Yarr. But I think they should have red stage curtains close in from either side, then open to reveal Front Row. :p

FWIW, I too have always updated my OS (through major and minor revisions since Mac OS 6) with no problems, despite having installed all sorts of "power user" paraphernalia. Ironically, the only updating problem I've ever had was with that dinky little update for 9a527 a couple weeks ago, which killed my Finder. :rolleyes: But then, that was using a beta - no such issues with official releases for me.
 
Software Update turning in pirated copies of Leopard?

Does any one think that Apple intentionally put in the need to use Software Update so that all users of the Leopard Beta would then send their use of it in to Apple, where they could check for who had a registered copy of the beta and who did not? I have heard reports of people using pirated copies and then getting cease AND desist letters from Apple via their ISP. Not sure if they are being "discovered" from using Software Update or they're being found on the P2P file sharing software... Scary either way.
 
macuser101, as I understand it they're not requiring developers to use Software Update; they're just asking them to for testing purposes. So no, I doubt that's their reason.
 
dr_lha said:
I've always upgraded with no issues. My 12" PB has made the transition from Jaguar -> Panther -> Tiger with no issues.

If you really worried I'd recommend an Archive and Install.

Of course a full backup is recommended before upgrading, I would recommend using something like Carbon Copy Cloner for example.
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Me too. I always make a backup before updating, and then I just run a regular update. I've never had any problems and have never needed to go back to my backup.
 
nigrunze said:
So I guess it'll be similar to most Linux distros in that nearly all programs will work with software update. This works quite well in Ubuntu and Apple Software Update is already quick, seamless and easy to use to update their first party apps. Hopefully someday Microsoft can fix it's update system to install 3 MB of updates in under 2 minutes. At least Windows Vista's Microsoft Update is a huge improvement over XP's. But that's off topic as I was talking about Apple Software Update.

3rd-party apps being updated in software update is a great idea.
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It's handled different in Linux. All the software is open source, so unless a user adds another repository, software is compiled and distributed by the distribution vendor itself, not by those who wrote/maintain the actual software. The update mechanism in Ubuntu is the same as the installation mechanism.

In Microsoft's defense, Windows Update also offers driver updates for lots of hardware, which requires more time to compile & upload data...
 
I Can't wait. this is going to be amazing... I want to just freakin' break down and get a macbookpro too... ugh... must... be... patient...
 
I got another problem with the latest build. Aperture won't open CR2-files, saying 'file format is not supported'. JPEG is not a problem.

Other than that, I'm ready for Gold!:D
 
That Archive and Install issue on PowerPC Macs does affect me, as I have a PowerPC iMac. I also have a MacBook Pro. I hope it gets fixed before too long, so a Gold Master build can be declared and production started.

Regarding the Software Update rumor, it's an interesting one, but we'll have to wait and see just how open it is. I like the idea of enabling printer driver updates in Software Update.
 
BTW said:
Most definitely! Get all the printer manufacturers on board. :)
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Same here. Something that would be cool is if Apple made a single app that had software updates, installer & deinstaller all in one that works w/ 3rd party software. One (of the very few) things I like about Windows is the deinstall app. It helps delete all components of an app. While many, if not most Mac apps are self contained, some add stuff in the Library -> Application Support folder, & prefs.

In this app, you can even update 3rd party apps. I know some apps put a receipt into Library -> Receipts or something which could tell where to get updates from. This file could also hold the default icons for that app (who likes seeing generic icons?), proper file permissions, as well as Spotlight & Quicklook plug-ins.
 
Just a quick question,
If I wait until Leopard release to buy a Mac, persumably it would come preinstalled on the system so there would be no need for discs -

What would happen if I needed to reinstall OSX from scratch? Would this be possible? I know I can do it on my current windows machine, just wandering what alt. there are with a mac? :apple:

Cheers :)
 
theGAPkid said:
Just a quick question,
If I wait until Leopard release to buy a Mac, persumably it would come preinstalled on the system so there would be no need for discs -

What would happen if I needed to reinstall OSX from scratch? Would this be possible? I know I can do it on my current windows machine, just wandering what alt. there are with a mac? :apple:

Cheers :)
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Yes. They will ship the disks as well as installing it.
 
flopticalcube said:
Yes. They will ship the disks as well as installing it.
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Ah brilliant. I can remember when I got my current system there were no discs with it and I was petrified that if anything ever went wrong Id be stuffed.

theres another reason added to the list for me to get apple!!
 
guzhogi said:
Same here. Something that would be cool is if Apple made a single app that had software updates, installer & deinstaller all in one that works w/ 3rd party software. One (of the very few) things I like about Windows is the deinstall app. It helps delete all components of an app. While many, if not most Mac apps are self contained, some add stuff in the Library -> Application Support folder, & prefs.

In this app, you can even update 3rd party apps. I know some apps put a receipt into Library -> Receipts or something which could tell where to get updates from. This file could also hold the default icons for that app (who likes seeing generic icons?), proper file permissions, as well as Spotlight & Quicklook plug-ins.
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As it turns out, the receipt files already DO contain the proper file permissions for everything that was installed, and also currently contain enough information to uninstall the application, should that capability be added to a future version of Apple's Installer. Spotlight plugins (and I assume QuickLook plugins as well) already have a pre-defined storage location (I don't know exactly what this is but I know it exists). I could imagine the receipt format being extended to include update source info.

Default icons and stuff like that are stored in the application package itself, so there's no need to put them in the receipt.
 
nato64 said:
9a559 has been extremely stable. I'm actually using it as my main OS and found it gold master-worthy. Especially now that the HP Printer thing isn't a bug at all.
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Are you using every feature in leopard cause I find the version previous to 9a559 much more stable then 9a559. iDisk wont sync, iCal wont delete to do's, mail wont delete to do's, unlocking and locking files is an issue, time machine doesn't work. Its like they broke the os with 9a559. This is all a fresh install, reformat and everything. Anyone else out there have this problem?

Oh and one more thing 9a559 takes my network down with 100,000 plus attempts to login to a server as guest every hour.

8mb downline is halted to 300k, when I turn off my mac everything comes back to life
 
Stridder44 said:
Updating your OS is always a terrible idea. Always do a fresh install. Move any important data/info off your main HD (burn to a cd or something) and do a complete reformat and fresh install.
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Unless you have serious issues (or lag or misconfig pref files), I would recommend to do an archive and install. Of course, it's always a good idea to make your own backup prior to updating (if you can afford that).

Also, if you bought your Mac with (lets say) Tiger, doing a complete reformat will make you loose all iApps and stuff that came with your install CD... One could always try to re-install that but I found it's a pain in the neck... :(

anyway, just my 2¢! ;)
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
As it turns out, the receipt files already DO contain the proper file permissions for everything that was installed, and also currently contain enough information to uninstall the application, should that capability be added to a future version of Apple's Installer. Spotlight plugins (and I assume QuickLook plugins as well) already have a pre-defined storage location (I don't know exactly what this is but I know it exists). I could imagine the receipt format being extended to include update source info.

Default icons and stuff like that are stored in the application package itself, so there's no need to put them in the receipt.
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Yeah, I knew this. What I meant was having all these separate things in a single file. And for the Spotlight/Quicklook plug-ins & default icons, it would be easier to have in a single file and download it, even if you don't have the app itself.

I've also tinkered w/ programming (I'm terrible at it, though), I found this one framework called Sparkle. It lets developers add update functionality to a program. Pretty cool. What I'd like to see is a single software update thing that updates ALL software on your computer. Would really help. For 3rd party apps, the software can add a thing to its receipt or where ever that tells Software Update where to look for updates.
 
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