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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard - Still Waiting

oh boy!
Well, I rather wait for Leopard and get a better product. so maybe at WWDC.

Now, I wonder if shipping dates for the new MacPro that's rumored to happen maybe at NAB will be delayed because of Leopard or if they will announce it at WWDC.

Lot's of waiting lately! (Leopard, iLife, iPhone, AppleTV (finally here), MacPro, widescreen iPod, etc.....) :eek: :mad:
 
DMann said:
Technically, Spring extends through June 21st. (Northern Hemisphere) If WWDC is slated for June 11-15, then Leopard will be Springing right on time...... Better to be stable, complete, refined, and ready to stun the world than rushed to meet a dead-line.
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True but usually Apple goes public with all of the new OS features at least a month or more before the release to generate interest and hype.

Developers haven't even seen any secret features yet and WWDC will be giving talks and presentations on issues with Leopard and developer projects.

It just seems like we are missing an event to announce the special features and provide updated Leopard builds to developers prior to WWDC.

Either there will be a special event added between NAB and WWDC or Leopard will be demonstrated at NAB with release just prior to WWDC.
 
As I posted before there are 2 kinds of seeds.
One external and one internal.
The one that's external is for the developers and it has only those things on board the developer needs! If that's a buggy seed? It sure could be one ;)

The internal seed, no doubt under serious NDA, is the one with all the new stuff and also the one that will be a lot more stable.

This will be the first OS release from Apple that is tested internal for different reasons. It's not a surprise that Apple, since they shifted to Intel, is very careful with information! Even before they switched to Intel they were mysterious about new products and software.
That's just the way Apple is today.

I personal would not be surprised if Apple announced Leopard in a week.
Nobody will know until Apple is ready. The developers do not need to be ready. Just like when they switched to Intel, the developers will need to follow...

Regards
 
Stike said:
...there were some notable hiccups since I received my MacBook C2D in November.
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Yeah, I bought mine in January and it was a little glitchy- a kernel panic within 2 weeks and sometimes it won't go to sleep when I close the lid. The rest I blame on Microsoft Office and Firefox. My eMac rarely gave me glitches, but I'm guessing that's because PPC tech was in it's final stage when I bought it. Intel tech is still new to Mac, so I accept the glitches as part of getting a faster machine with more options!

Edit: Mine is a C2D MBPro
 
mattscott306 said:
I'm thinking another event somewhere in between NAB and WWDC for the Leopard announcement.
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I think you're right. Why wouldn't Apple use the eagerly anticipated release of their next OS to get some media attention when WWDC will generate enough of that as is?

Besides, the Mac Mini, iMac, and Mac Pros are overdue for updates. Several other products are nearing the end of their cycle. I could easily imagine Leopard being released (or at least previewed) with a special event prior to June to release new Macs.
 
It is coming out in May people, May I say. Next month the so called secret features will be revealed and in May it will be released before all the hardware upgrades. May is software month and June is hardware month. I think ;)
 
Liar!

At MacRumors, we're not big fans of speculation
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Sorry to be all lawyery(not a real word) but rumors are speculation so if you are not a fan of speculation go work for the Apple.com offcial website because only upon events happening does the speculation stop. Good Luck in you new line of work. Have fun.

Speculation = Roumor = Speculation

:D
 
ppc_michael said:
Honestly? I don't know how existent these secret features are. It kind of felt like Steve Jobs was aware that there wasn't much to show at the keynote so he was coming up with an excuse.
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Thats the feeling I get, and have done for a long time.

The people on here who have seen the recent builds all say that 10.5 is far from ready.. which confirms this report.


...But still, people who aren't in the know - still insist on April...:rolleyes:
 
June (WWDC) for me

I think it will be June. Two reasons:
- I expect the top secret features *if* they exists to be new hardware related. Several Macs are overdue for an upgrade as well. I suspect that Leopard and Hardware arrival are linked. Hence I do not expect Leopard to arrive before new hardware *without* the new features. If Leopard arrives without new features, Apple will have to state that the new features will arrive shortly after in a 10.5.1 release.
- WWDC date was set to early June a while back, while the previous one was in August. Why this change? Personally, I think Apple tries to set WWDC dates to a moment that it can produce interesting results. They have to do this far in advance and it does not always work out. I gt the feelig that thy are struggling to make the June deadline, and I suspect we might see announcements for stuff that will ship in August.

So, my guess is we'll see new hardware in combination with new software in June. But it could be completely different of course.
 
Wwdc

maler said:
Honestly, when i look on list of problems in Leopard, i'm affraid, that they will not make it even for WWDC.
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WWDC would be the optimal stage for presenting Leopard to the world. As much as I'd like to see it sooner, it would likely be best to wait until June 12th for a truly dramatic presentation. 10 weeks time ought to be ample to correct any stability problems seen in the Developer's releases. Let's not be disappointed, however, if Leopard is presented at WWDC and shipped at a later date, since it would be better to release it when it is good and ready, than three quarters baked.
 
has apple ever sent out "bad" seeds :)p ) but after an "amazingly short period of time" come out with the final product?

If you're going to try to reason out the release date, you can't pick and choose your data. Something has to account for these bad seeds which will inevitably steal their parents car on the night of prom, get drunk, smash it, and get arrested, throwing away all hopes of getting into an ivy league college.
 
Pooldraft said:
Sorry to be all lawyery(not a real word) but rumors are speculation so if you are not a fan of speculation go work for the Apple.com offcial website because only upon events happening does the speculation stop. Good Luck in you new line of work. Have fun.

Speculation = Roumor = Speculation

:D
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I disagree, speculation is more someone's interpretation of an event or lack thereof, or their conjecture about the future.

A rumor is more a piece of evidence or news from a source concerning an event that has yet to happen.

The key difference being in speculation someone is taking a guess, whereas rumors are more objective.

Either way, I think Apple will most likely release in June at WWDC. The bigger question is will they announce the features beforehand? I think they should to a) generate buzz and b) openly test these new features.
 
For those that really believe there are no "secret" features.

Read this carefully and imagine what it can do in relation to the finder :

"Delight your users with dynamic, responsive user interfaces. In Leopard, standard AppKit NSViews can be rendered and animated using Core Animation. Learn how to combine familiar Cocoa controls, views, and event handling with the power of Core Animation layers to create stunning user interfaces."

Visualize..Use your imagination..

Do you really believe Apple is showing developers ways to make the GUI animated when Leopard won't be that way ?.
 
Dokter_Mac said:
As I posted before there are 2 kinds of seeds.
One external and one internal.
The one that's external is for the developers and it has only those things on board the developer needs! If that's a buggy seed? It sure could be one ;)

The internal seed, no doubt under serious NDA, is the one with all the new stuff and also the one that will be a lot more stable.

I personal would not be surprised if Apple announced Leopard in a week.
Nobody will know until Apple is ready. The developers do not need to be ready. Just like when they switched to Intel, the developers will need to follow...

Regards
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sorry, but this is just not true. yes, there are internal builds and builds that get released to developers, but the idea that the internal builds is somehow significantly more stable or more feature rich than the external builds is plain wrong.

developers and consumers would be up in arms if leopard suddenly appeared without warning. applications would break all over the place and everyone would be irate with apple. apple does not have some magical build sitting around in cupertino that is near release status, if apple's internal QA division were that good we wouldn't need a beta program.

leopard is being developed just like every other OS X release. as the product gets closer to delivery apple will seed builds more rapidly. at some point apple will seed a release or final candidate. if any critical bugs are found they will be fixed and a new release/final candidate will be seeded. this is repeated until all critical bugs are gone. apple will then declare one of these builds a gold master.

once a build is declared gold master it will take about a month to press, package and ship copies to retail outlets. meaning if apple were to declare GM today, you wouldn't get leopard until late april. considering the RC/FC cycle usually takes a couple of weeks, and we haven't even hit that stage yet. any speculation about a leopard release earlier than late may is a bunch of uninformed, optimistic garbage.

-- oh and top secret features -- i think they're entirely iphone/multitouch related.
 
dr_lha said:
Spring ends June 21st I believe, so June is really the latest they can ship Leopard and still meet the "Spring 2007" promise.
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Promise? It's a target...

iPod Shuffle.. "shipping in October" didn't happen
:apple: TV.. "shipping in February" didn't happen
 
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dashiel said:
sorry, but this is just not true. yes, there are internal builds and builds that get released to developers, but the idea that the internal builds is somehow significantly more stable or more feature rich than the external builds is plain wrong.
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From personal experience I can tell you that is not true and Apple had an internal build of OS X running on an Intel Platform for a few years before ANYONE knew about it.

They can be and are very secretative often.
 
gctwnl said:
I think it will be June. Two reasons:
- I expect the top secret features *if* they exists to be new hardware related. Several Macs are overdue for an upgrade as well....

- WWDC date was set to early June a while back, while the previous one was in August...

So, my guess is we'll see new hardware in combination with new software in June. But it could be completely different of course.
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And here is one big reason I disagree - iPhone.

The iPhone release date is June 15. Apple would not do anything to distract from the publicity of that. I suspect that it will be announced in April and shipped at the end of April/Begining of May for maximum free press and to keep it from distracting from the iPhone. Most people can only spend so much money in one month after all:)
 
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