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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard - Still Waiting

Please everyone return to your seats, wait until the oxygen masks drop from the overhead lockers, place the mask over your face, pull the cord and BREATHE...... Now repeat after me ;

"this is JUST an o/s update...no bread and fishes will be served...my life is still complete and my current mac is still beautiful and functional"
 
AlBDamned said:
I noticed a tiny thing the other day that will do nothing to swing the debate one way or the other, but take a a look at these two pictures taken from two different national Apple sites at the bottom of the Mac OS X tab along the top.

Australian Site is first, US site is second. Notice anything?
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This has been brought up already. And while it does say Mid-2007, they couldn't very well say "Spring 2007" on an Australian site considering you have different seasons than the northern hemisphere. All in all though, Mid-2007 can point to May-June-July-August. Regardless, I hope it's not June and sometime in May, but again who knows in ever elusive/secretive :apple: Land
 
AlBDamned said:
I noticed a tiny thing the other day that will do nothing to swing the debate one way or the other, but take a a look at these two pictures taken from two different national Apple sites at the bottom of the Mac OS X tab along the top.
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Ding Ding Ding. I think we have a winner. Hopefully we all realize that "Spring 2007" is just for the Northern Hemisphere. This points to a late-spring release, which would equate to mid-2007 down under. Oh well, I'm waiting for a new Macbook Pro anyways.
 
AlBDamned said:
I noticed a tiny thing the other day that will do nothing to swing the debate one way or the other, but take a a look at these two pictures taken from two different national Apple sites at the bottom of the Mac OS X tab along the top.

Australian Site is first, US site is second. Notice anything?
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I would bet this just has to do to the fact that Australia being the southern hemisphere "Spring" doesn't really jive. The spring Apple is talking about is USA spring. So it would be confusing to put spring on the Aussie site.
 
05elstonc said:
I would bet this just has to do to the fact that Australia being the southern hemisphere "Spring" doesn't really jive. The spring Apple is talking about is USA spring. So it would be confusing to put spring on the Aussie site.
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Fair suggestion about "spring" because it's not Spring down here in June, but surely they'd just replace it with "Autumn 2007?"

"Mid-2007" is fairly specific.
 
The quiet before the storm.
It will come out when it is ready.

However there seem to be a lot depending on Leopard, there is a lot of software and hardware that is not yet happening that should have been happening month to month.

I could be wrong, but releasing too many products at one time would cause some to go unnoticed by the press, would seem better to just keep anouncing a new product every month or two to keep the press and the shareholders jumping, not to say the least of us who love new toys.
 
justflie said:
Ding Ding Ding. I think we have a winner. Hopefully we all realize that "Spring 2007" is just for the Northern Hemisphere. This points to a late-spring release, which would equate to mid-2007 down under. Oh well, I'm waiting for a new Macbook Pro anyways.
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What else would it be?

Apple are based in the north hemisphere.


When Apple have said "winter, spring, summer" - its always relative to north hem.

Really, people like getting creative and thinking up weird and wonderful ideas.

Whatever next? South Hemisphere people bitching because they think Apple are going to make them wait 6 months for their 'Spring' to come around?! LOL
 
05elstonc said:
I would bet this just has to do to the fact that Australia being the southern hemisphere "Spring" doesn't really jive. The spring Apple is talking about is USA spring. So it would be confusing to put spring on the Aussie site.
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Yes. But this points specifically to a LATE-spring release. Most have been guessing a late spring release as opposed March. This would be more along the lines of a mid-late April (NAB at the absolute earliest) to mid June (the end of spring).
 
surferfromuk said:
I'm thinking when I launch the system preferences it's going to be like a bloody menagerie of activity in there...icons bouncing, arrows rotating, things spinning, light bulbs flashing, flags waving, clock hands whirring, little burglers with swag bags running out of the file vault icon being pursued by little animated policeman...
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"Oh, and one more thing. Those secret features? TOTAL GEOCITIES INTEGRATION"
 
Stike said:
But still, I consider Tiger as only half the deal... Leopard will be the OS to let the Intels really shine.
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Mostly agree, however IMHO the Intel machines will shine when the OS is only shipping in 64 bit version and all the software from Apple and 3rd parties is also 64 bit. Programs do not yet take advantage of the memory space and instruction set available to them. To grow into the hardware a lot of programs would need to be redesigned to do more tasking and to allocate memory without wories about being ineficient like in a 32 bit world.
 
Eidorian said:
*waits for Top Secret Features*
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Top secret feature #1 has been revealed in the article!

One more tip we got regarding Leopard, is that InputManager plugins are no longer allowed. That's right... no more little hacks from anybody besides Apple. No more Apple menu hacks. No more Safari plugins. (InputManager is not exactly the same as APE, by the way.) "Apple isn't really broken up about it since InputManagers were often used for nefarious purposes anyway," our sources said, but the loss of InputManager control will break a lot of shareware and commercial software that currently makes use of that control. "
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So long SIMBL, we hardly knew ye. :( It's correct, though, most of the publicized malware present in OS X has used InputManagers.
 
Macrumors said:
At this point, we only have two upcoming Apple media events on our calendars: NAB on April 15th, and WWDC 2007 in June. The NAB event will likely be centered around Final Cut Pro and WWDC 2007 will certainly be Mac OS X focused.
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Are we forgetting that the iPhone will be released in June?

Leopard should be released before June, and Steve will talk about OSX and the iPhone at WWDC.
 
abrooks said:
Took 7 months since the announcement before it was released.

I agree with dashiel, Apple obviously is running internal builds which may be more stable than developer builds but developers need a long time to test their applications. If Apple releases huge new OS X features then testing is required, we're going to see an announcement far in advance of release.
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Look at Versiontracker. Developers are ready, there is already a 10.5 section.
And about the NDA, some developers like Adobe will have a better and more featured seed of Leopard. Yeah, even with a updated Finder (which is still in current external seeds from Tiger)!

I'm sure, because we are living in a digital age like never before, there is a very strict NDA for some big developers and the internal builds at Apple. There are enough examples from information that was leaked in the past where Apple was pissed. So they are very careful know. This is a big OS release you know!

Anyway, like with the Intel switch the developers that are not ready will folow in the months after the full release with all the new secret stuff. Right now they have to do it with the urgently needed stuff like Frameworks and others.
 
Hmmm


1. I couldn't care less if its released in November. Stability over launch date. My computer isn't intended as a playground for new software. Whatever I put on it dang well better be stable.

2. So far the feature set does not impress me. At maybe $80-$90? Sure. At $130? No.

3. Bugs. I'm getting a really twitchy feeling about Leopard. And even if I do bite its probably going to be after 10.5.1. Maybe even 10.5.2.
 
digitalbiker said:
Actually sales of mac laptops are down according to MacCentral. They were reporting a 2% drop in sales.

I also believe that mac pro sales are not what they could be because many pros are on the fence waiting for the Octo / redesigned mac pro update w/ Leopard or free Leopard upgrade with coupon.
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Sorry this was like three days ago... but I just wanted to point out that alot of "pros" are waiting for Native applications, ie. CS3, etc. Only video and science pros would worry about 8 processors. Us graphics people, who make up a decent slice of the pie, are waiting for Adobe to release Creative Suite and have a tough enough time filling up 4 cores.

just my .02 :)
 
abrooks said:
Some developer you are, every single framework in OS X is vital to the running of an application, any adjustments to the Finder would almost certainly impact applications, you cannot adjust things and just throw it out into the wild. Developers need to see it first and be given time.
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I'm sure a lot of existing software will be backwards compatible ;)
Even with the Finder! (Which will be new in Leopard and is still a adapted Tiger-version in current seeds)
 
I'm waiting for the new iMac release AND Leopard. Once these both come out, I can't see any reason NOT to buy a new mac.
 
Top Secret is Precisely That

pale9 said:
i've been a pretty loyal apple fan since i switched over about 2 years ago. but now i am beginning to feel duped. back in january jobs could have said ***something*** about where leopard and ilife/iworks 07 stand. and i'm not even talking about the freakin 'secret' features here. now, almost at the end of march, the silence is beginning to be deafening. it wouldnt hurt apple one bit to keep feeding us some information. i feel like i am in an airliner, on the tarmac, just waiting and waiting and the pilot does not come on the pa system to tell us diddly squat.

oh yes, and please dont give me the old 'patience patience' line....
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the count
http://thecountsworld.blogspot.com/
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Apple has always taken pride in their ability to conceal things until "The Big Day" when things are presented. From what we've already seen in Leopard: Time Machine, Core Animation, etc, we have every reason to believe that Leopard will indeed have some surprisingly great new features, based upon Core Animation and other advanced processor and GPU integration. Apple does not want this impact to be diluted by leaks and previews. I've got a really positive outlook for June....No need to worry, this ain't MS we're dealing with.
 
Stella said:
Thats the feeling I get, and have done for a long time.

The people on here who have seen the recent builds all say that 10.5 is far from ready.. which confirms this report.


...But still, people who aren't in the know - still insist on April...:rolleyes:
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:( :( :(
 
On the Leopard Sneak Peek Page, has anyone ever seen some features from the Finder?
You always see the Finder icon in the dock, but never a Finder window or something else considering the Finder.
 
Whatever...

pale9 said:
i've been a pretty loyal apple fan since i switched over about 2 years ago. but now i am beginning to feel duped. back in january jobs could have said ***something*** about where leopard and ilife/iworks 07 stand. and i'm not even talking about the freakin 'secret' features here. now, almost at the end of march, the silence is beginning to be deafening. it wouldnt hurt apple one bit to keep feeding us some information. i feel like i am in an airliner, on the tarmac, just waiting and waiting and the pilot does not come on the pa system to tell us diddly squat.

oh yes, and please dont give me the old 'patience patience' line....
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the count
http://thecountsworld.blogspot.com/
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I'm at three years since switching. I remember the days when we were so excited, anticipating Windows95. Let's see, the next version was Windows98 which was a joke and then finally Windows 2000 which was significant. How long was the Vista wait? I don't know exactly, but XP came along somewhere between 2000 and 2003...

So just how do you think you have been hood-winked? Doesn't Tiger work now? and just what do you need to do that not having Leopard prevents? If you are just sitting on the tarmac doing nothing, then I'm mystified.

I'm as eager as the next person and am looking at several major purchases probably, but it seems silly to get all upset because Apple's spring is not the same as your idea of spring. Sounds like all those folks who think Apple shouldn't make a profit. They should just be in business for the fun and benefit of others.

rant over... :)
 
Top secret features: Klingon language support! Actually, Klingon is already supported in 10.4. In Sytem Prefs, under International pane, check out the "Edit list." Near the middle, there should be "thlingon Hol". Under some versions of Mac OS X, it might be "Klingon". Some people have way too much time on their hands.
 
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