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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard - Still Waiting

FreeState said:
And here is one big reason I disagree - iPhone.

The iPhone release date is June 15. Apple would not do anything to distract from the publicity of that. I suspect that it will be announced in April and shipped at the end of April/Begining of May for maximum free press and to keep it from distracting from the iPhone. Most people can only spend so much money in one month after all:)
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When was a 'June 15' date made official?
 
dashiel said:
developers and consumers would be up in arms if leopard suddenly appeared without warning. applications would break all over the place and everyone would be irate with apple. apple does not have some magical build sitting around in cupertino that is near release status, if apple's internal QA division were that good we wouldn't need a beta program.
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Yeah, and OS X wasn't being developed for Intel years before they just spilled the beans. Oh wait....

Consumers and developers alike made that switch pretty fast.
 
Peace said:
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From personal experience I can tell you that is not true and Apple had an internal build of OS X running on an Intel Platform for a few years before ANYONE knew about it.

They can be and are very secretative often.
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very good point...
 
Peace said:
"Delight your users with dynamic, responsive user interfaces. In Leopard, standard AppKit NSViews can be rendered and animated using Core Animation. Learn how to combine familiar Cocoa controls, views, and event handling with the power of Core Animation layers to create stunning user interfaces."
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I've not seen this before. Your right - this is seriously exciting...Where is the source of this text ? Apple.com ?

if this is true that means that previously static UI environments will be animated and 'elastic'...

I'm thinking when I launch the system preferences it's going to be like a bloody menagerie of activity in there...icons bouncing, arrows rotating, things spinning, light bulbs flashing, flags waving, clock hands whirring, little burglers with swag bags running out of the file vault icon being pursued by little animated policeman...

if this is true then I've just bought a copy of leopard when I originally said I wasn't going to (for a while anyway) !!!..

or did I go to far ?
 
Stridder44 said:
Yeah, and OS X wasn't being developed for Intel years before they just spilled the beans. Oh wait....

Consumers and developers alike made that switch pretty fast.
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Took 7 months since the announcement before it was released.

I agree with dashiel, Apple obviously is running internal builds which may be more stable than developer builds but developers need a long time to test their applications. If Apple releases huge new OS X features then testing is required, we're going to see an announcement far in advance of release.
 
I really don't understand why people wait until Leopard is shipping to get a new Mac. Why? I'd rather buy my own standalone copy of Leopard. Then if I get rid of that Mac, I still have my own copy with me and not some proprietary version that only works with the Mac it shipped on. Plus, what if you don't like Leopard for whatever reason? You're stuck using it and can't go back to Tiger because you can't use an OS lesser than what it shipped with. Don't let a software update hold you back. Go out and buy the darn Mac if you're going to buy it. You're not always going to have the latest and greatest.

I think WWDC will be when Leopard is shipping. Then Apple can show off the new features and improvements. It only makes sense to me. Beta releases are slightly picking up the pace but not as fast as if they were in the finishing up process. So we all impatiently wait! :D
 
abrooks said:
Took 7 months since the announcement before it was released.

I agree with dashiel, Apple obviously is running internal builds which may be more stable than developer builds but developers need a long time to test their applications. If Apple releases huge new OS X features then testing is required, we're going to see an announcement far in advance of release.
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Only if those new features are for developers. All of those are in the dev seeds already. But devs don't need to test a new Finder or new fancy effects in the OS. I'm not saying that that's whats going to be there - but as a developer I can tell you Apple could provide a OS X build with no apps or Finder and it would be suitable for getting our apps ready for Leopard.
 
FreeState said:
And here is one big reason I disagree - iPhone.

The iPhone release date is June 15. Apple would not do anything to distract from the publicity of that. I suspect that it will be announced in April and shipped at the end of April/Begining of May for maximum free press and to keep it from distracting from the iPhone. Most people can only spend so much money in one month after all:)
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I have not heard June 15 for iPhone, only June. So your theory doesn't work if Leopard is released mid-June (WWDC) and iPhone is released later. Surely a week or two is all the "hype" and operating system update can get. Plus, when the iPhone is released, Leopard tags along: "Earlier this month, Apple also released..."

Alternatively, one of the secret features may be related to iPhone, thus requiring a simultaneous release (or near-simultaneous).
 
surferfromuk said:
I've not seen this before. Your right - this is seriously exciting...Where is the source of this text ? Apple.com ?

if this is true that means that previously static UI environments will be animated and 'elastic'...

I'm thinking when I launch the system preferences it's going to be like a bloody menagerie of activity in there...icons bouncing, arrows rotating, things spinning, light bulbs flashing, flags waving, clock hands whirring, little burglers with swag bags running out of the file vault icon being pursued by little animated policeman...

if this is true then I've just bought a copy of leopard when I originally said I wasn't going to (for a while anyway) !!!..

or did I go to far ?
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http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/sessions/track.html

Look under "Building Animated Cocoa User Interfaces"
 
akac said:
Only if those new features are for developers. All of those are in the dev seeds already. But devs don't need to test a new Finder or new fancy effects in the OS. I'm not saying that that's whats going to be there - but as a developer I can tell you Apple could provide a OS X build with no apps or Finder and it would be suitable for getting our apps ready for Leopard.
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Some developer you are, every single framework in OS X is vital to the running of an application, any adjustments to the Finder would almost certainly impact applications, you cannot adjust things and just throw it out into the wild. Developers need to see it first and be given time.

Take for example the latest builds of 10.4.9, just two days before it was released Apple released a build that had 2 fixes, which were related to the System Preferences pane. They still seeded a build for developers and 2 days later 10.4.9 went public.
 
ppc_michael said:
Honestly? I don't know how existent these secret features are. It kind of felt like Steve Jobs was aware that there wasn't much to show at the keynote so he was coming up with an excuse.
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Do you really think he'd be willing to completely throw away Apple's great credibility?
 
abrooks said:
Some developer you are, every single framework in OS X is vital to the running of an application, any adjustments to the Finder would almost certainly impact applications, you cannot adjust things and just throw it out into the wild. Developers need to see it first and be given time.
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The Finder is just another App. How many 3rd party apps actually rely on the presence of the Finder? Apple could dump the Finder all together and I doubt it would really impact any developer.
 
Patience, people. Good things come to those who wait. I prefer to wait a bit and get a good product rather than get crap now. Apple's operating systems are (imo) worth waiting for. Always have been and always will be. :cool:
 
dr_lha said:
The Finder is just another App. How many 3rd party apps actually rely on the presence of the Finder? Apple could dump the Finder all together and I doubt it would really impact any developer.
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OK, my wording could have been better, I meant the Finder and its relevant frameworks.
 
is it just me? i like to be informed at least minimally!

i've been a pretty loyal apple fan since i switched over about 2 years ago. but now i am beginning to feel duped. back in january jobs could have said ***something*** about where leopard and ilife/iworks 07 stand. and i'm not even talking about the freakin 'secret' features here. now, almost at the end of march, the silence is beginning to be deafening. it wouldnt hurt apple one bit to keep feeding us some information. i feel like i am in an airliner, on the tarmac, just waiting and waiting and the pilot does not come on the pa system to tell us diddly squat.

oh yes, and please dont give me the old 'patience patience' line....
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Well, speculation is fun, but it doesn't present anything concrete. I'd like to say, that if we are indeed waiting for Leopard until June, are we also waiting for the release of iWork '07 until then as well? Besides that, right now is technically spring... and it is 2007, but so in june. To me, it's more likely that we'll see a release in mid-April, only because of the huge delay of iWork. That delay can only go on so long. I'm just saying, it's just likely that it's highly unlikely we'll wait until June.
 
pale9 said:
i've been a pretty loyal apple fan since i switched over about 2 years ago. but now i am beginning to feel duped. back in january jobs could have said ***something*** about where leopard and ilife/iworks 07 stand. and i'm not even talking about the freakin 'secret' features here. now, almost at the end of march, the silence is beginning to be deafening. it wouldnt hurt apple one bit to keep feeding us some information. i feel like i am in an airliner, on the tarmac, just waiting and waiting and the pilot does not come on the pa system to tell us diddly squat.

oh yes, and please dont give me the old 'patience patience' line....
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the count
http://thecountsworld.blogspot.com/
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I completely agree with you. I mean, macworld was on January 9th right? And we've had no news about leopard, mac updates, etc...nothing. Heck, they even went so far as to go back on their promise of shipping :apple: tv in february. wait, what's that, people just now got theirs. give me a break. It is March 22nd. Quite ridiculous IMO. Throw us a bone Steve.

P.S. Sorry for the rant...I just really would like any news. Preferably I would like Leopard to be released tomorrow and it be flawless, but hey I can dream right?
 
I noticed a tiny thing the other day that will do nothing to swing the debate one way or the other, but take a a look at these two pictures taken from two different national Apple sites at the bottom of the Mac OS X tab along the top.

Australian Site is first, US site is second. Notice anything?
 

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