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DVD doesn't really make a difference to me as long as I'll be able to burn it to a partition to one of my externals like I normally do.
 
Quick question, if I buy a Mac before its release will I get a free upgrade?

Can't remember for sure but I think a friend of mine got Leopard at discounted price when he had recently purchased a Mac. This subject also interests me as I ordered a new Macbook Pro just yesterday.

However no one knows the answer for sure but we can hope that we'll get cheap if not free upgrade.
 
I just hope it comes via DVD too. I run a Hackintosh PC, so I think updating to Lion via Mac App Store might break something.
You want Apple to help you break the law (ie their end user agreement about only using OS X on Apple hardware)? Somehow I don't that will be happening.
 
What about an option of being able to make a dvd or an usb key out of the app store download?

I think that would be great!
 
I really hope I'll be able to create or buy a physical copy. Having digital-only copies of something as important as an entire operating system doesn't really sit too well with me.

In addition, I really don't want to wait 2-3 hours downloading an entire OS. I would rather have the disk delivered to my door, ready to start upgrading immediately.
 
I still think Apple should do what all Linux distros do. Just sell you a freaking "do what you want with it" ISO image. Burn it to DVD, mount it and share it, burn it to USB to make it bootable.

Having to "install" through the Mac App Store is ridiculous. I don't use the Mac App Store, it's not configured on my Mac, yet I would gladly download Lion. The Mac App Store should be for Apps, not OSes. If they want to get into the game of network based OS installation, just look how it's been done since the 90s. I've installed Linux through the Internet since my RedHat 5.x days.
 
You want Apple to help you break the law (ie their end user agreement about only using OS X on Apple hardware)? Somehow I don't that will be happening.

That's not breaking the law. :rolleyes:

Anyway, when you download from the App Store you end up with a .pkg which can be opened to extract the .dmg, which you can just burn or restore to a partition. Hackintoshes will be fine.
 
Finally, at the risk of being hated, I sure hope Lion doesn't disappoint. Nothing I seen so far in Lion makes me go "Wow!" like previous full versions have (SL does not count).

Last time I went "wow" was when version 3.x was released back in the '80s.

However Apple is likely keeping the big news about Lion under wraps until next week. They seems to think Lion will be a big deal. There is usually a lot of hyperbolae about a new OS. The 2007 press release announcing the hapless Vista quoted Bill Gates saying it would "transform the way people work and play"

Little did he know that Vista would cause a lot of people to flock to the Mac OS, so he was technically right.
 
It's not ? You don't have a copyright law where you're at ?

Breaking a EULA is breaking a contract. You aren't breaking the law.

But the fuzzy legalities of EULAs has been discussed here to death, let's stay on topic.


Last time I went "wow" was when version 3.x was released back in the '80s.

The last time I went "wow" was when they demoed Exposé for the first time. It was in an Apple Store, back when they had the theaters. The whole room erupted, it was as if Steve had given everyone a free car. ;)
 
I really want to buy Lion through the App Store as soon as it comes out, but I wonder if we'll be able to burn a Lion DVD, using the downloadable version.
There are occasions when a bootable OS DVD is the only way to format your Mac and I really don't want to install Snow Leopard and then upgrade to Lion every time I decide to format my HDD.

I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but Lion is nowhere near ready for release.

The betas are flaky at best.

No developers have had time to build against Lion for testing.

If Apple released Lion without going through normal development cycles it would be suicide.

Look, I teach CS and Software Engineering outlines development cycles for a reason. I want Lion as much as everyone else but I was a STABLE version that runs all my software. Not a version that is riddled with bugs because Apple is so secret that don't even let developers test their software on the new OS.

Finally, at the risk of being hated, I sure hope Lion doesn't disappoint. Nothing I seen so far in Lion makes me go "Wow!" like previous full versions have (SL does not count).

Oh, and I too would like a DVD...

Cheers!
-P

Developers had by today more than 3 months to do their testing, and that's just all developers. Major developers probably were given Lion betas even before DP1 appeared in ADC.

Not to mention, 99% of the apps I use do work in Lion without major issues at the moment, so I don't really think that app compatibility is a big issue. It was a bigger issue when SL was released due to kexts not supporting K64, and that took some time. Lion doesn't bring something that new to the table so it'll be quicker for apps to fully support it.

Oh also, I think DP3 was almost good enough to use for everyday work. If it wasn't for some apps that weren't supported, and lack of macports support for Lion, I would have switched it already. It's buggy, but not that buggy. And Webkit2 rocks.
 
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I still think Apple should do what all Linux distros do. Just sell you a freaking "do what you want with it" ISO image. Burn it to DVD, mount it and share it, burn it to USB to make it bootable.

Having to "install" through the Mac App Store is ridiculous. I don't use the Mac App Store, it's not configured on my Mac, yet I would gladly download Lion. The Mac App Store should be for Apps, not OSes. If they want to get into the game of network based OS installation, just look how it's been done since the 90s. I've installed Linux through the Internet since my RedHat 5.x days.

Yes but .ISO image is much less convenient for people who use Macbook Air's for example. They can't just burn it and install from disc. App Store installer application doesn't need burning, it can install Lion to any partition available on the computer. It's actually much much more convenient than .ISO images which need to be booted from. So you either have to burn them, or restore them to an extra partition (not the install partition), so if you don't have a DVD-ROM or if you don't have DVD media at home, you need an extra partition just for this job, to install Mac OS right now.

I have done this the way you said for many years since I always downloaded OS X builds through ADC, in .dmg form. But installing Lion through App Store has been so much easier this beta phase.
 
I started using Macs with Snow Leopard so I don't know how it would work if I were to upgrade to Lion via fresh install.. wouldn't Time Machining my old stuff back bring Snow Leopard back or does Time Machine only restore the files and apps you have installed?
 
No way are we going to have a WWDC release. We're still on Developer Previews, not even a Beta. Going straight to RTM would be nuts.

Plus, I'm betting on some headline features being unveiled at WWDC, or at least some new aspects to the OS. Remember WWDC 2009? We learnt about Grand Central amongst other things and SL came nearly 3 months later (so says Wikipedia!)

What WWDC will give is a Beta incorporating the latest updates to the DP series of builds, plus whatever Apple's been hiding until now. Release to follow.

*Insert lame 'You heard it here first' cliche*
 
I started using Macs with Snow Leopard so I don't know how it would work if I were to upgrade to Lion via fresh install.. wouldn't Time Machining my old stuff back bring Snow Leopard back or does Time Machine only restore the files and apps you have installed?

TM does every file unless you tell it otherwise.
 
I started using Macs with Snow Leopard so I don't know how it would work if I were to upgrade to Lion via fresh install.. wouldn't Time Machining my old stuff back bring Snow Leopard back or does Time Machine only restore the files and apps you have installed?

Fear not, young grasshopper, all will be easy and goof proof. The Turttle-necked one protects all who believe in Him. ;)
 
Yes but .ISO image is much less convenient for people who use Macbook Air's for example. They can't just burn it and install from disc. App Store installer application doesn't need burning, it can install Lion to any partition available on the computer. It's actually much much more convenient than .ISO images which need to be booted from.

Except for when you need to boot from an external due to a hardware failure.

We'll see how it works in the final release, but when you double-click on the .pkg it needs to allow you to restore the install to a partition or DVD or flash drive, in addition to a normal install.
 
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