Mac OS X 10.6.8 to Remove MacDefender, Get Mac App Store Ready for Lion

[Xtremehkr]

I'm very curious as to how Apple is going to handle Malware outbreaks in the future.

Is the update something that is going to close the door on Malware programs like MacDefender or is Apple planning on addressing Malware on a case by case basis as they appear.

I would really like to know what Apple is doing to combat malware before it really becomes a problem.

 

[asdf542]

I'm very curious as to how Apple is going to handle Malware outbreaks in the future.

Is the update something that is going to close the door on Malware programs like MacDefender or is Apple planning on addressing Malware on a case by case basis as they appear.

I would really like to know what Apple is doing to combat malware before it really becomes a problem.

http://www.macworld.com/article/142457/2009/08/snowleopard_malware.html
https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-antimalware-feature-gaining-publicity/
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/1...es-antimalware-protection-in-mac-os-x-10-6-4/

 

[lunarworks]

No way are we going to have a WWDC release. We're still on Developer Previews, not even a Beta. Going straight to RTM would be nuts.

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

If Apple decides to call it a "Developer Preview" rather than a "Beta", that's their prerogative.

 

[Wingsy]

Have to Pass on Lion

Unfortunately for me I've got several older apps that need Rosetta to run. A couple of these are quite expensive and at least one has no version that does not require Rosetta. And all of them do what I need them to do so I have no desire to purchase "upgrades". All because Apple doesn't see any need to include Rosetta in Lion. So I'll pass for now and catch up later.

 

[Xtremehkr]

http://www.macworld.com/article/142457/2009/08/snowleopard_malware.html

That implies that Apple will be handling all updates and solutions for malware.

I hope Lion improves on that as well. Not that there has been any problems with malware on this end.

If something asks for installation permission and you weren't trying to install anything, say no.

 

[archipellago]

Last time I went "wow" was when version 3.x was released back in the '80s.

However Apple is likely keeping the big news about Lion under wraps until next week. They seems to think Lion will be a big deal. There is usually a lot of hyperbolae about a new OS. The 2007 press release announcing the hapless Vista quoted Bill Gates saying it would "transform the way people work and play"

Little did he know that Vista would cause a lot of people to flock to the Mac OS, so he was technically right.

'flock to'..

must be another way of saying 4% worldwide market share

 

[asdf542]

That implies that Apple will be handling all updates and solutions for malware.

I hope Lion improves on that as well. Not that there has been any problems with malware on this end.

If something asks for installation permission and you weren't trying to install anything, say no.

Check the other links I edited in as well.

 

[Žalgiris]

All because Apple doesn't see any need to include Rosetta in Lion. So I'll pass for now and catch up later.

Yes it's all Apple's fault.

 

[benthewraith]

I agree with everyone here that they still need to provide a dvd or a thumb drive for installation or restore. This is unavoidable since if you restoring your mac how are you to connect to the internet. They must provide a physical medium to install or restore to the mac.

Wasn't Lion supposed to create a recovery partition that would store that information?

 

[Cougarcat]

Wasn't Lion supposed to create a recovery partition that would store that information?

If your hard drive dies, your recovery partition will be inaccessible.

 

[ogee]

Unfortunately for me I've got several older apps that need Rosetta to run. A couple of these are quite expensive and at least one has no version that does not require Rosetta. And all of them do what I need them to do so I have no desire to purchase "upgrades". All because Apple doesn't see any need to include Rosetta in Lion. So I'll pass for now and catch up later.

How about Parallels with a copy of SL in it for those apps ?

 

[SandynJosh]

I'm very curious as to how Apple is going to handle Malware outbreaks in the future.

Is the update something that is going to close the door on Malware programs like MacDefender or is Apple planning on addressing Malware on a case by case basis as they appear.

I would really like to know what Apple is doing to combat malware before it really becomes a problem.

I was just reading a security blog (see link below) where MACDefender was labeled "Scareware" instead of Malware. It brought up an interesting way to distinguish between deliberate acts of the user bringing on the infection vs. all the other ways one could become infected.

Apple has addressed the latter, but there's little any manufacturer can do to protect you from yourself. That said, Apple has described Lion as "bringing to the Mac lessons learned from iOS." One of the lessons learned was how valuable it is for users to have a trusted source for software i.e. "the App Store."

If you look at the track record for the iDevices, the only malware to break out was in jailbroken devices. Now, contrast that with the Android platform where every device is as vulnerable as a jailbroken iPhone:

http://www.csoonline.com/article/659764/shmoocon-2011-your-android-s-dirty-little-secret

When you compare Apple's ecosystem to other company's... you can see that Apple is looking further afield to solve malware problems than any other manufacturer, in my opinion.

If you, as an user, become used to looking to a trusted source for your software, then you are less inclined to be scared into rash thoughtless actions and infecting yourself.

 

[munkery]

'flock to'..

must be another way of saying 4% worldwide market share

The market share of Macs in more developed countries is rising steadily and that trend will most likely continue in those regions and to new markets. I don't think consumers are unsure of the longevity of Apple anymore.

 

[KnightWRX]

Breaking a EULA is breaking a contract. You aren't breaking the law.

What copyright license do you have to make the copy you are making on your HDD from the install media then ?

The EULA is more than just a contract (and contract law ring a bell ?).

 

[baryon]

I hope there's a disk release so that if I have to restore/clean install I won't have to install Snow Leopard, download 10.6.8 then download and install Lion.

I really want to buy Lion through the App Store as soon as it comes out, but I wonder if we'll be able to burn a Lion DVD, using the downloadable version.
There are occasions when a bootable OS DVD is the only way to format your Mac and I really don't want to install Snow Leopard and then upgrade to Lion every time I decide to format my HDD.

Lion has a recovery partition like Windows 7 does. That way, you can boot into that partition and perform everything you can do on the DVD - but without the DVD.

 

[KnightWRX]

Yes but .ISO image is much less convenient for people who use Macbook Air's for example. They can't just burn it and install from disc.

Hum, you can write a ISO image to a USB flash drive just fine. My MBA happens to have 2 USB ports and my desk has plenty of USB flash drives just lying around on it.

An ISO image is the most convenient form there is, since you can do anything with it.

 

[roadbloc]

The market share of Macs in more developed countries is rising steadily and that trend will most likely continue in those regions and to new markets. I don't think consumers are unsure of the longevity of Apple anymore.

Thats all well and good and I'ma let you finish, but that doesn't stop the worldwide market share from being 4% at the moment.

 

[lunarworks]

Thats all well and good and I'ma let you finish, but that doesn't stop the worldwide market share from being 4% at the moment.

The "worldwide market share" includes places like India and China, where Windows dominates... but doesn't actually sell any copies of Windows.

 

[KnightWRX]

Thats all well and good and I'ma let you finish, but that doesn't stop the worldwide market share from being 4% at the moment.

And that matters why ? As long as the OS does what the user needs it to do, who cares how many people use it ? Being the most widespread (especially when talking about desktop OSes, where one's illegal use of their monopoly in the 90s basically cemented their position) means nothing.

People don't realize how much the OS doesn't matter. No one uses a OS. People use applications to perform tasks. And most of the tasks computers are used for these days, it doesn't matter that the user uses Windows, OS X or Linux or even freaking Solaris. All OSes can browse the web, read e-mail and write documents.

 

[roadbloc]

And that matters why ?

Never said it did. I'm personally looking forward to Lion, I have a friend looking forward to Windows 8. Doesn't matter one bit.

 

[Bear]

I really want to buy Lion through the App Store as soon as it comes out, but I wonder if we'll be able to burn a Lion DVD, using the downloadable version.
There are occasions when a bootable OS DVD is the only way to format your Mac and I really don't want to install Snow Leopard and then upgrade to Lion every time I decide to format my HDD.

This is a winning comment.

Also, if you need to run Disk Utility from DVD, it's best to have a version that's close to what you're actually running.

Unless there's a real savings (more than $10 or so) I'm willing to get a boxed version of Lion. Saves me the hassle of making a DVD among other things.

 

[Bear]

Wasn't Lion supposed to create a recovery partition that would store that information?

Lion has a recovery partition like Windows 7 does. That way, you can boot into that partition and perform everything you can do on the DVD - but without the DVD.

Except for replacing the disk and doing a fresh install on that new disk. Also, it's possible for a recovery partition to get corrupted.

And how does it make a recovery partition on a disc that is already in use? I know there are ways it could do this, but depending on the state of the filesystem, it could be a lot of gyrations by the software.

 

[joueboy]

I'll buy OSX Lion if!

I would like to upgrade to Lion if my applications are compatible. It's ridiculous that every time I upgrade my system with new OS or just an OS, some of the applications become unusable.

 

[KnightWRX]

Except for replacing the disk and doing a fresh install on that new disk. Also, it's possible for a recovery partition to get corrupted.

And how does it make a recovery partition on a disc that is already in use? I know there are ways it could do this, but depending on the state of the filesystem, it could be a lot of gyrations by the software.

Anyway, why would I want to waste the disk space on my laptop for a recovery partition ?

 

[iBug2]

Hum, you can write a ISO image to a USB flash drive just fine. My MBA happens to have 2 USB ports and my desk has plenty of USB flash drives just lying around on it.

An ISO image is the most convenient form there is, since you can do anything with it.

Except like I said, and you ignored, you need to burn it to something to install OS X from it.

If the installer within the .ISO worked like the installer which comes from App Store, that'd be good. But it doesn't. It needs to be booted from to be installed, so it's an inconvenience. It's twice time spent, one for burning / copying it, and then for installing it.

With the App Store app, like I said and you ignored, you can directly install it anywhere you want. So it's much quicker. And since you can do anything you want with the installer App which comes from App Store as well, it's just better than an ISO in all aspects.

For years installing OS X has been a pain in the ass for me. DVD-R installs take forever, so I always kept an extra partition for it, around 5GB, just enough for the installer disc. USB install is not much different. 400mbps throughput for installing 10GB's? No thanks. I want a 5 minute install through SATA.

I really don't understand what you don't like about the installer app which comes through App Store. It has everything the ISO has anyway, except it's not a bootable image. So unless you use the OS X install disc as a first aid second boot disk, the new app doesn't take anything away from you either.