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the only reason microsoft can't charge $29 for software is because software is their own money-maker. Apple makes their bucks on hardware, not software. So for Apple, $29 isn't a big deal
 
Well: What's the difference between a service pack and an OS upgrade?
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Of course, all types of releases include bug fixes.
A service pack fixes more things than it breaks and an OS upgrade add new features while breaking more things than it fixes?
 
That seems outright bogus. Windows users pay extra for a 64-bit version, and it's still not capable of the performance that Grand Central and OpenCL make possible. Even though most end users don't care about the technology, they will certainly notice the speed boost and the extra 6 GB of disk space — things that Windows users can't buy at any price. When's the last time Windows got smaller and/or faster from one release to the next?

Windows Vista to Windows 7.

Well, read more about the fix that W7 represents before spitting MS-fanboy comments here...the driver structure remains the same with a little more visual crap, as is common for MS's overhyped efforts.

W7 is too little, too late; and Mac users couldn't care less anyway.

Speak for yourself. As a happy Windows 7 user here, I care more about Microsoft then I do Apple.
 
Open CL will not work on my macbook. It has an Itel GMX3100 :(

The same here. I am very tempted to upgrade just based on price and the changes in a few areas of the OS, but I wonder what real-world benefits SL will bring, if any, for Macs which don't have any Open CL compatible graphics capabilities, like my BlackBook with Intel's X3100.
 
If so, upgrading to 10.6 might be a little challenging for the Hackintosh community. :p

I suspect the upgrade installer will simply search for an exisitng Leopard install to permit the upgrade. ;)

That would (in theory) be easy enough to spoof unless apple did something completely ridiculous with it.
I have no worries about updating my hac to 10.6.
 
the only reason microsoft can't charge $29 for software is because software is their own money-maker. Apple makes their bucks on hardware, not software. So for Apple, $29 isn't a big deal
True, although Microsoft's software money comes from enterprise licensing, as well as Office being a de facto standard for both end users and corporate environments.

Microsoft really doesn't get as much money from boxed retail sales as you might think. OEM and enterprise licensing deals is where the bulk of their revenue comes from.

As you'd expect, every time you buy a PC from Dell, HP or any other vendor, Microsoft gets a cut of your money.
 
By September do they mean September 1st or any time during September?
Apple said that Leopard would be released in October, and that turned out to be October 26. So I'm guessing that Apple will set a firm release date for late September.

Personally, though, 9/9/09 would be kind of cool.
 
Apple said that Leopard would be released in October, and that turned out to be October 26. So I'm guessing that Apple will set a firm release date for late September.

Personally, though, 9/9/09 would be kind of cool.

I'm hoping it will be 1st of Septmeber, then I can get an MBP, with SL preinstalled and still get the back to school deal. But no doubt that won't happen.
 
By September do they mean September 1st or any time during September?

i think it's either going to be 9/4 (labor day weekend, but i doubt it), or 9/25 (last friday of that month). that's the only two dates i can see them releasing it on.

and one more question: by the way they worded it on the page, it sounds like the mac box set will be released a bit behind the snow leopard upgrade discs. i wonder if the box set will be out the same day like the rest of them or will tiger users have to wait for longer?

btw, i agree on selling the full package for snow leopard with ilife and iwork, as tiger users can't use the latest version, and many are still running the ilife that came with their macs, and ilife 06 will probably crash on snow leopard (not sure about 08). good way to push their software, no complaints.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a retail upgrade disk that checks to see if Leopard is installed prior to installing.

EDIT: Or it could run some machine ID check to validate the install. (just for clarification of a later post of mine :))


I hope the upgrade is a full install-keyed on a previous Leopard install memory; I want to be able to wipe my HD clean-and not have to install 10.5 first

There is a trick with XP Pro upgrade disc- you CAN install a full XP Pro on top of XP-Vanilla-if you wish--but to me that is too messy and overwriting-especially when one factors how unreliable and unstable Windows can be-I want to install as little as I have to onto a fresh clean HD-you start to install XP-PU-and it asks to see a copy of XP-V before continuing- eject the XP-PU disc insert the XP-V disc, the CPU says OK=you pull out the XP-V disc and reinsert the XP Pro disc and continue the install-w/o having to install XP-V first-im sure this is how they will do it-and ill bet this check can tell the difference between a copy of 10.5 and a real installer disc


>>>So if Windows 7 is really just polishing up the deeply-flawed Vista and NOT making much-needed changes to the foundation.... maybe $19? <<< yeah-if the ? is a "9" followed by a decimal point and "95"

You can feel it in the air-Windows is fast becoming a dinosaur-irrelevant in todays modern world-MS being run by clueless old farts-a product whose time has come-and is going;
APPLE is the new generation of things to come
MS knows this-and are terrified that people with any wits about them see their OS for what it is -crap.
Hence all these ads reeking of desperation.
When has MS ever had the need to counter advertise to APPLE?
Shows theyre nervous these days
Zoon (sic) =DOA
BING! (omfg)=DOA
Windows= a dying has-been
 
Apple said that Leopard would be released in October, and that turned out to be October 26. So I'm guessing that Apple will set a firm release date for late September.

Personally, though, 9/9/09 would be kind of cool.

6/6/06 would have been perfect. muahahaha
 
I was shocked by this announcement. I figured that "cheap" by Apple standards would have meant somewhere in the $50-75 range. $29 for the upgrade is a very good deal. It is also nice that they are offering the $10 upgrade for people who are purchasing a new mac between now and the release date.

As far as release date goes, I am going to guess that "September" means the end of September. I'll guess the 25th or the 29th.
 
Frustrated

I love the under the hood stuff in 10.6, but I expect more on the user end. The comment was made that Apple is running out of stuff to add to Mac OS X. I disagree, at least off the top of my head, here is what needs to be included in the package...

1.) add ZFS, at least in 10.6 Server like promised. It is not present. One could build a whole host of new functionality into the Finder, FileVault, and Time Machine. Networking will also dramatically change... which will be awesome!

2.) make an iPhone like GUI with the black glass.

3.) Add tabs to everything, and BRING THEM BACK IN SAFARI 4!!!

4.) Buy the company that makes Path Finder, get some new organizational ideas, and put them to work!

5.) Reorganize iTunes with tabs for music, video, etc. and subdivide via types (music, music video, or tv, movie etc.). Basically reuse some Sherlock tech on it and make it more like SongBird. Include concert tickets, movie tickets, and movie banners, artist photos etc.

6.) Add the supposed CoreType from the iPhone that was rumored.

7.) RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE! that has been rumored and worked on since 10.4

8.) Blu-Ray Support
 
PS - iPhone

New iPhone and iPhone OS 3.0 is cool and all, but seriously... Apple needs to lay off that stuff and clean up iTunes and the iTunes Store, and add the afore mentioned stuff to Mac OS X. The Mac is where it is at, and a new software model must be put into place to make the Mac more central, like the iPhone is to the App Store.
 
SL for $29 for existing Leopard users! Happiness!
Now this is what Microsoft should do with Windows7 for Vista users, bet they won't.

Either way, since I'm buying my new iMac on July 1st, I guess SL will cost me ~$10 :eek: :cool: hugs :apple:
 
It seems like you are the joker here. Windows 7 offers a fix for ripped Vista users, that's all. Leopard is already the standard for superior OS experience, and SL is just gonna extend that gap. Windows 7 hasn't changed anything in its drivers mess, as well as a lot of other crap that already exists in Vista. People are converting in droves, so don't worry about MS and their poor OEMs...they will be dead sooner than you think.

What is amusing? Apple probably has to charge for Snow Leopard, why? That Exchange support isn't free. So MS is taking all us Mac owners to the bank with a feature that less than 1% is probably going to use.
 
Actually Now I am thinking about this a bit more, I think we may need to take in our Leopard disks to get it at that price.....
Because It says if you are a Tiger user you need to get the $149 combo pack.
 
Upgrade to SL

Few questions when I upgrade to SL from Leopard.
1. Would I lose my files under Documents and Pictures?
2. I installed few applications, would I need to reinstall them?
3. Few of the apps I bought are for Leopard, would it work on SL?

Thanks
 
Hmm disappointed X1900XT's won't be able to support OpenCL. I wonder how much performance improvement you would see form upgrading to the Geforce 8800GT.
 
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