I agree with you and I know that Microsoft has it all wrong, but Apple still needs to lead the way. I think Apple will do multi-touch with the full touch surface that replaces the keyboard and mouse and also inflates in some way to provide a realistic typing surface like their patents show, and they will use the touch screen multi-touch on smaller portable devices but not the laptops and desktops.
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Mac OS X 10.6 to Debut at WWDC 2008?
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I agree with you and I know that Microsoft has it all wrong, but Apple still needs to lead the way. I think Apple will do multi-touch with the full touch surface that replaces the keyboard and mouse and also inflates in some way to provide a realistic typing surface like their patents show, and they will use the touch screen multi-touch on smaller portable devices but not the laptops and desktops.
No more PowerPC? Not a Shock.
When Apple announced the move to Intel I think we all knew that the PowerPCs days were numbered.
I would imagine that it is quite a strain on developers (and Apple itself) to compile both PowerPC and x86 versions for the Apple platform. I see Adobe is the first software developer to create an App that only runs on Intel Macs -Adobe Soundbooth Beta - and I'm sure we will see other developers following their lead in the coming months. Eventually one has to look at the bottom line and I think Apple would probably be better suited having it's developers and it's OS engineers concentrating on one binary.
Still, it does make me sad...
I have used my G4 MDD for about five years and it does what I want it to. However, if I'm honest, after five years working on the G4 MDD, it's showing it's age. When I do music, it can barely keep up with Logic 8 or Pro Tools and if I create any image in Photoshop over 300 dpi - letter size, it slows down dramatically. I don't see how any five year old machine can be expected to keep up with the rapid advances in technology and I'm frankly stunned that this PPC Mac has held it's own so long.
I hope my new Mac Pro will enjoy the same longevity as my G4 MDD.
When Apple announced the move to Intel I think we all knew that the PowerPCs days were numbered.
I would imagine that it is quite a strain on developers (and Apple itself) to compile both PowerPC and x86 versions for the Apple platform. I see Adobe is the first software developer to create an App that only runs on Intel Macs -Adobe Soundbooth Beta - and I'm sure we will see other developers following their lead in the coming months. Eventually one has to look at the bottom line and I think Apple would probably be better suited having it's developers and it's OS engineers concentrating on one binary.
Still, it does make me sad...
I have used my G4 MDD for about five years and it does what I want it to. However, if I'm honest, after five years working on the G4 MDD, it's showing it's age. When I do music, it can barely keep up with Logic 8 or Pro Tools and if I create any image in Photoshop over 300 dpi - letter size, it slows down dramatically. I don't see how any five year old machine can be expected to keep up with the rapid advances in technology and I'm frankly stunned that this PPC Mac has held it's own so long.
I hope my new Mac Pro will enjoy the same longevity as my G4 MDD.
Well that's great because that's not what MS's touch model asks you to do - I mean, sure, you have the option but it's not going to be compulsory - because it'll work in harmony with other, more traditional, input methods.
Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about before saying they have it all wrong, hmm?
Anyway, on topic:
I can't see why people get excited about a new OS coming out every 12-18 months because, to me, it's just a way of getting more money out of gullible people. OS's should be driven by improvements in technology and since Leopard is still a bit rusty the idea of a new commercial release coming out seems silly.
Hopefully this is just a rumour.
I do know what I'm talking about. I worked for an Assistive Technology firm and trained Doctors and people with disabilities in addition to helping with ergonomic assessments. I never said it was going to be compulsory. It'll work for certain narrow uses. So what was that that you were saying again?
While OS advancement may sound silly to you others realize that Apple is on the cusp of multiple transitions. From Carbon to Cocoa...from PPC to Intel and from 32-Bit to 64-bit. How long should we expect for the ship to stop rocking here?
not to early to dump power p.c. support...
Think about what Apple just did with Adobe.
hint: why mac users wont have 64bit CS4.
Adobe sat on their butts and didnt use what Apple told them they wanted them to transition to years back.
Well, now Apple is going to help give the consumers a good push along.
Truth is new OSs only really shine on new boxes, so what is the big deal.
Its just my opinion, but dont be surprised if they do drop binaries. - again, Adobe was shocked, otherwise they would be able to give us 64bit with CS4.
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dAlen
Think about what Apple just did with Adobe.
hint: why mac users wont have 64bit CS4.
Adobe sat on their butts and didnt use what Apple told them they wanted them to transition to years back.
Well, now Apple is going to help give the consumers a good push along.
Truth is new OSs only really shine on new boxes, so what is the big deal.
Its just my opinion, but dont be surprised if they do drop binaries. - again, Adobe was shocked, otherwise they would be able to give us 64bit with CS4.
Peace
dAlen
Exactly. Well or maybe 10.5.5 or 10.5.6 or 10.5.11 or something like that.
I don't mind the pace but I sure wish the quality accompanied it. There are many bugs in Apple's software that I would like to see fixed and often time don't until a new version comes out and sometimes not even then.
One example. Try the insert date and time in Numbers. If you don't reformat while it's doing it no time is inserted just the date and noon. So if it doesn't insert the time why does it say insert date and time?
I don't think Apple is that greedy.
First of all, even though Leopard was delayed and took longer then expected to come out, it's way too soon for 10.6. (BTW, I'm putting my bets on "Cougar" not "Lion") Developers builds, maybe at WWDC. That's a big maybe. I would guess 10.6 to be released at WWDC '09.
Second, PPC isn't going anywhere. I think 10.6 will drop most G4 support, perhaps allowing the high end PowerBooks. G5's will be supported through 10.7, perhaps 10.8, if OS X goes that far.
10.6 at WWDC
My opinion:
WWDC stands for "Worldwide Developer Conference" that is the most suited place for "pro apps" related information as well as OS related ones. Of course iPhone is the Steve's creature and it will have a prominent space.
The way I see it is the following:
- announce iPhone 3G
- peak at 10.6 which will be the last OSX iteration. Next one will be OS XI (with a more prominent space theme (and name scheme)).
- Maybe also some info about pro Apps (Aperture, Final Cut, and the like)
New MacBooks and MacBook Pros (as well as, possibily, new MacMini and Mac Pro, including cinema display (LED cough cough, a lot thinner...)) will be announced towards the end of the back to school program (or right after it) at an invitation special event. This also because Intel announced delay in shipping Centrino 2 platform. This allows Apple to concentrate on Developer related issues at WWDC.
Since Jobs is no "developer" himself, his keynote will be centered on the "fun and ooooh" stuff like, as I said, 10.6 and iPhone. With the announcement that 10.6 is the last OSX.
OS XI will mark a clear cut with the "old" tech (Carbon, 32 bit, PPC support among others, possibly old file system as well). 10.6 will introduce option for ZFS but OS XI will be ZFS only. So transition will be made smoothly with the last to releases of OSX (Leopard and the next one). And then a fresh new start with OS XI (just before Windows 7 SHOULD (stress should) be made available).
My opinion:
WWDC stands for "Worldwide Developer Conference" that is the most suited place for "pro apps" related information as well as OS related ones. Of course iPhone is the Steve's creature and it will have a prominent space.
The way I see it is the following:
- announce iPhone 3G
- peak at 10.6 which will be the last OSX iteration. Next one will be OS XI (with a more prominent space theme (and name scheme)).
- Maybe also some info about pro Apps (Aperture, Final Cut, and the like)
New MacBooks and MacBook Pros (as well as, possibily, new MacMini and Mac Pro, including cinema display (LED cough cough, a lot thinner...)) will be announced towards the end of the back to school program (or right after it) at an invitation special event. This also because Intel announced delay in shipping Centrino 2 platform. This allows Apple to concentrate on Developer related issues at WWDC.
Since Jobs is no "developer" himself, his keynote will be centered on the "fun and ooooh" stuff like, as I said, 10.6 and iPhone. With the announcement that 10.6 is the last OSX.
OS XI will mark a clear cut with the "old" tech (Carbon, 32 bit, PPC support among others, possibly old file system as well). 10.6 will introduce option for ZFS but OS XI will be ZFS only. So transition will be made smoothly with the last to releases of OSX (Leopard and the next one). And then a fresh new start with OS XI (just before Windows 7 SHOULD (stress should) be made available).
The Problem is:
There's no cache to "OS X XI" it looks and sounds awkward.
"Oh Ess Eleven" too verbose. People will start calling it "Oh ess exx eye" as well. Expect Apple to ride the 10.x nomenclature all the way to the end.
There's no cache to "OS X XI" it looks and sounds awkward.
"Oh Ess Eleven" too verbose. People will start calling it "Oh ess exx eye" as well. Expect Apple to ride the 10.x nomenclature all the way to the end.
when do you think that invitation special event will be held? and do you think the new products will be available/shipping immediately?
I totally agree with this statement, UB is very important to apple, I wouldn't be surprised, if a a few years time apple makes a partial or preferably full transition back to PPC. UB is there so apps can still be used when apple makes the decision to go back to PPC.
Intel is just a hold over until the PPC alliance gets back into gear, and if the PPC 6 & 7 chips turn out like they say they are going to apple will be using PPC again with in 5 years. If it weren't for the G5 problems apple would still be releasing new PPC machines. That's my opinion at least.
As for 10.6 dropping PPC support it won't happen. G5, and even some G4 machines are still really great machines. IMHO.
Don
Lynx, actually.
Sounds way to much like Linux. Lynx won't happen, I say cougar, then Lion, then OS XI.
I can't imagine Apple popping out another OS in less than 8 months, much less holding preview next week. After all, we're only on 10.5.3, as Apple is clearly focusing on the iPhone sdk at the moment.
...Unless of course Apple plays the "we were creating two separate OS's at the same time" card again. If that were the case OS 10.6 would need to be drastically different, not just a few tweaks as was the case with Leopard.
PS - My bet's on OS 10.6 Cougar.
...Unless of course Apple plays the "we were creating two separate OS's at the same time" card again. If that were the case OS 10.6 would need to be drastically different, not just a few tweaks as was the case with Leopard.
PS - My bet's on OS 10.6 Cougar.
Not to soon at all to preview 10.6.
Indeed as others have the timing is about right to give developers time to take advantage of the features. That is all that will be shown, features that have API's developers can take advantage of.
Thing to remember that OS10.6 is also the OS for iPhone3 they are going to have to keep close to yearly as well and best to streamline things where they can.
Maybe the release date is a bit off, would have thought March/April for MacOSX not January, but a full preview at macworld. Maybe June/July for iPhoneOSX
Indeed as others have the timing is about right to give developers time to take advantage of the features. That is all that will be shown, features that have API's developers can take advantage of.
Thing to remember that OS10.6 is also the OS for iPhone3 they are going to have to keep close to yearly as well and best to streamline things where they can.
Maybe the release date is a bit off, would have thought March/April for MacOSX not January, but a full preview at macworld. Maybe June/July for iPhoneOSX
I can't see a drop of PPC next version, but maybe the version after at the earliest. Still no reason to drop it altogether they would still maintain PPC or POWER support even if there isn't a machine within the spec of OSX.7 just to leave the door open.
UB is still important as Apple have ARM architecture to support with in the OS builds as Mac/iPhone OSX get closer and closer together. The iPhone just wouldn't have happened without UB.
10.6 Cougar!!!! (sorry needed to say that )
Remember when OS X 10.0 came out? 10.1 was a free upgrade wasn't it? Maybe Apple will do that for Leopard, Leopard may have been an intermittent release of OS X before the true new version in 2008. Who knows? Apple has surprised us in the past. As for the iPhone lite/nano/micro/mini/tiny or whatever I think it is very likely.
I hope OS X 10.6 is released because it will truly be Intel Only by the sounds of things going around. If Leopard dropped PowerPC G3 and G4 below 850 MhZ then 10.6 is likely to drop all of the PowerPC models, except faster G5's. I think Apple is gradually phasing out OS X updates to PowerPC-based Macs just like they did for Mac OS 9, only continuing to Mac OS 9.2.2 and then eventually only being supported in the Classic Environment.
Just my two cents
allbrokeup
)Remember when OS X 10.0 came out? 10.1 was a free upgrade wasn't it? Maybe Apple will do that for Leopard, Leopard may have been an intermittent release of OS X before the true new version in 2008. Who knows? Apple has surprised us in the past. As for the iPhone lite/nano/micro/mini/tiny or whatever I think it is very likely.
I hope OS X 10.6 is released because it will truly be Intel Only by the sounds of things going around. If Leopard dropped PowerPC G3 and G4 below 850 MhZ then 10.6 is likely to drop all of the PowerPC models, except faster G5's. I think Apple is gradually phasing out OS X updates to PowerPC-based Macs just like they did for Mac OS 9, only continuing to Mac OS 9.2.2 and then eventually only being supported in the Classic Environment.
Just my two cents
allbrokeup
Given how buggy Leopard Server is, you would hope we didn't have to wait for 10.6 (and have to pay another $1000) to get the bugs sorted out.
I think those of you responding to this thread who say this is too early should really bone up on standard software development processes and cycles, and/or read the original article and what Steve Jobs said...
I think this would be a great time to demo some features and seed either in Apples closest circle of developers or, if their ready, go ahead and do a full seeding to all developers. Then, at MWSF '09 they can do a more in depth demo and give us some hard release dates.
Also, while I completely understand PPC users being upset at the idea of being forced to upgrade to Intel machines (or at least not being able to use the new features until you do), it really would be a significant step forward as far as speeding things up and shedding a lot of that redundant software that is strictly for backwards compatibility purposes.
but I secretly don't give a flip about anything except the iPhone right now...
I think this would be a great time to demo some features and seed either in Apples closest circle of developers or, if their ready, go ahead and do a full seeding to all developers. Then, at MWSF '09 they can do a more in depth demo and give us some hard release dates.
Also, while I completely understand PPC users being upset at the idea of being forced to upgrade to Intel machines (or at least not being able to use the new features until you do), it really would be a significant step forward as far as speeding things up and shedding a lot of that redundant software that is strictly for backwards compatibility purposes.
but I secretly don't give a flip about anything except the iPhone right now...
Yes, UB is also very important for the ARM chips. But, I still maintain, that UB is there for use as a bridge to go back to PPC. if apple really wanted to they could use an intel chip in the iphone/ipod touch. ARM is just an excuse to keep UB alive so apple can go back to PPC without much of a hassle.
Don