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Mac OS X 10.6 to Debut at WWDC 2008?
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I view Leopard as still being a "Transition" OS.
It must support PPC and Intel
It must support a hodge podge of Carbon and Cocoa apps
No matter how much screaming people do Apple simply must boil OS X down a clearer set of tools and hardware.
Put the work into Cocoa and Intel optimization. I agree Apple has showed growing pains from trying to please everyone but it's time to move forward with a same solution.
It must support PPC and Intel
It must support a hodge podge of Carbon and Cocoa apps
No matter how much screaming people do Apple simply must boil OS X down a clearer set of tools and hardware.
Put the work into Cocoa and Intel optimization. I agree Apple has showed growing pains from trying to please everyone but it's time to move forward with a same solution.
I haven't agreed with a lot of the "upgrades" Apple has done for the past few years. It feels like their upgrades are really just service packs.
Also, every time they release a new upgrade it's buggy as hell and not worth messing with until 10.x.2-3. Why can't they just wait it out and THOROUGHLY test it before releasing? Especially if they were to use ZFS and implement multi-touch all around the GUI.
Another thing that bothers me is while you have to pay for the upgrade you also have to go out and by iLife again. Can't they simply include this with the OS for the same price???? 200 bucks is a lot to drop every year to year 1/2.
Trenton
Also, every time they release a new upgrade it's buggy as hell and not worth messing with until 10.x.2-3. Why can't they just wait it out and THOROUGHLY test it before releasing? Especially if they were to use ZFS and implement multi-touch all around the GUI.
Another thing that bothers me is while you have to pay for the upgrade you also have to go out and by iLife again. Can't they simply include this with the OS for the same price???? 200 bucks is a lot to drop every year to year 1/2.
Trenton
Release in January 2009, yeah right. Too much wishful thinking I think.
What exactly is wishful about it? January 09 is over a year from the launch date of Leopard which was itself delayed. I don't know where you guys are buying your healthy dosage of incredulity but you don't have much in the way of facts to back up your assertion considering this very post leads off with a quote from Jobs about speeding up the development cycle.
That's pretty much my feeling as well. After throwing Vista under the bus, Microsoft has been actively crowing about the next version of Windows, most recently showing off the touch screen interface. I just can't imagine Apple (Jobs) letting the Windows 7 dog and pony show go unanswered.
Apple has always hyped the fact that OS X is "years ahead" of the competition, and WWDC has been the forum of choice for Microsoft bashing concerning Windows. All in all, it may be just an announcement, short on details, but long on implied "secret" features that just can't be announced at this time - lest Microsoft fills the lead copycat position in the Windows 7 development team. In any event, it will almost certainly be suggested that the next version of OS X ("a history-making breakthrough release" - I can hear it now) will ship around the same time as Microsoft currently claims Windows 7 will ship.
Apple won't let Microsoft hog the spotlight (or the attention of the press or internet mindshare) for any extended period of time.
god i hope so, because leopard is FUGLY!
I love the features, but, transparent menu bar. REFLECTIVE dock!? what the HELL were they thinkin! I do think reflectiveness has a place in a beautiful interface, but NOT how apple implemented it in leopard. About the only visual element of leopard I like better is the nice unified theme for the windows, along with the plainly obvious front window, it is very nice looking and useful. But the menu bar and dock look retched.If I were to add some nice pretty reflectiveness to the interface it would be windows in the background reflecting, subtly, the windows in front of them, just in the area's where the window frame or whatever you want to call it is, and slightly warp it around the edges to give the windows a curved look. Basically make the mettle more realistic. Some other subtle reflectiveness could be added to buttons, etc, things that look good, and are not obtrusive or gaudy.
Not correct. The Public Beta was an independent release, a 0.x release, if you will. Cheetah was not a beta (although many still considered it unusuable), and was the first retail version of Mac OS X.
And people make the argument that Windows is expensive. I bought Vista Ultimate at my college for $129. The same price as Leopard.
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I agree, it will definitely not be called 'Loin.' It would have to called 'Loin Cloth.'
But keeping with the cat theme, maybe 'Loin Claw.'
Hell, maybe 'Lion.'
10.5.3 is giving me glitches with my screen dimming by its self without me doing anything, after waking from sleep, restarting, even when I turned up my volume the screen started dimming lol. What the HE!! Apple???
I'm on a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro by the way. Anyone else getting this crap?
I think this rumor is BS, way too early. Not to mention if Apple did this and didn't really advance the multi-touch etc. it would really really really hurt them in the war for the new OS against Micro$oft, and I do NOT see Apple blowing it like that when they finally have a fighting chance which they have been preparing for in the wake of Vista for years.
I'm on a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro by the way. Anyone else getting this crap?
I think this rumor is BS, way too early. Not to mention if Apple did this and didn't really advance the multi-touch etc. it would really really really hurt them in the war for the new OS against Micro$oft, and I do NOT see Apple blowing it like that when they finally have a fighting chance which they have been preparing for in the wake of Vista for years.
You don't have to buy iLife just because you made a OS upgrade. My iLife from Tiger is the same iLife that runs fine under Leopard. If you don't understand the differences between Service Packs and OS X updates then just leave it at that. Every new version of OS X has implemented a new "Core" tool in addition to updates all over the system. The feature changes are certainly behond the scope of most service packs I'm aware of.
G4 & G5 is going to run Leopard as fine as now even if Apple release 10.6.
I hope Apple make 10.6 64bit Intel only put ZFS into it and make use of the TPM chip to make life harder for those "Hackintoshers". Drop Tiger and make Leopard a free download as an update.
I think its a good idea to drop PPC systems. Apple has stopped development of PPC based computers several years ago, its time to move on. Dropping PPC and Carbon support will greatly enhance OS X in speed, stability, security, and size. Speed, stability, security, and size will all be enhanced due to a very large code base being removed from the system, leaving much less room for errors and bugs which makes it easier to maintain, keep secure, and keep speedy.
Multi-Touch is more salient in portable use. Sure it'll creep desktop usage but Microsoft has it all wrong and Apple and anyone with a brain knows this. People don't want to touch their screen to compute all day unless they have very specific needs.
Bingo ..we have a winner folks!
Don't forget, developers get this stuff waaaay before the general public. I can see them getting it, but I really doubt the release in Jan. 2009.
I don't believe that all current systems have a TPM chip; I'm fairly sure that my MBP doesn't have one (at least, Vista doesn't see it and can't use Bitlocker or whatever it's called).
And it is expensive. Your point is not valid for the majority of consumers, and when comparing the regular retail price, Vista costs a lot more. Heck, I bet you the average price paid for Vista is a lot more.
Now on point.
I see a lot of silly foolishness in this thread.
People say that a Jan release is too soon. You kids have nothing to base this on, not past release times and dates, not Steve Jobs' own words, not anything except this feeling.
Oh wait, they are only on 5.3, so obviously we can't be 1/2 the progress on a new Operating system. Afterall, Apple, not being very good at software dev, only has 3 guys working over there, and none of them specialize in anything special, so they all work on only one thing at a time
[/large amounts of sarcasm]
They have some 17,000 employees, I'm pretty sure they can have a few thousand working on 10.6, a few thousand working on 10.5.4, and still have a couple people left to work on really advanced dev and other areas.
And all this "Apple focuses on OSX and leaves things like the Mini behind" ? Like what, all the Computer Science majors walk over to the material engineers and say they want to help? There is obviously a shifting of resources and focus as a company, but it doesn't shift THAT much, not in a company the size of Apple.
Wake up guys, you are all living in a dream world full of fantasies and unreal expectations.
As a side note, 10.6 can't be both stability only AND drop PPC support.
Dropping PPC support implies a huge change under the hood, like massive to the point where it is worth dropping PPC "early". And I do think it would be early (He says from his trusty Powerbook).
But you don't just turn off PPC one day for the fun of it
~Earendil
How does dropping PPC support NOT make sense?
Apple has had a boner for Intel for quite some time now, and has been pushing their "Transition to Intel" on all their Macs.
It makes total sense to stop bringing out brand new software/OS' for their old product line, to force users to buy their new and improved products.
Apple has had a boner for Intel for quite some time now, and has been pushing their "Transition to Intel" on all their Macs.
It makes total sense to stop bringing out brand new software/OS' for their old product line, to force users to buy their new and improved products.
Exactly. Keep in mind that Leopard was scheduled to be released in June '07, but was delayed due to the iPhone OS. Sounds like they are right on schedule now.
OS X Release dates
Leopard- Oct 2007
Tiger- April 2005
Panther- Oct 2003
Jaguar- Aug 2002
Puma- Sept 2001
Cheetah- March 2001
You see Leopard was one of the longest development cycles that OS X has had but it is NOT the norm. January 09 is not "way too early" by any stretch.
Leopard- Oct 2007
Tiger- April 2005
Panther- Oct 2003
Jaguar- Aug 2002
Puma- Sept 2001
Cheetah- March 2001
You see Leopard was one of the longest development cycles that OS X has had but it is NOT the norm. January 09 is not "way too early" by any stretch.
I'm all for dropping PPC, and I only own PPC machines (currently).
Just because 10.6 won't run on a PPC doesn't make your PPC stop working. It just means eventually you'll have to buy a new machine if you want the latest OS features.
10.4 went to 10.4.11 and if 10.5 is the last PPC OS I'm sure apple will sew it up nice and tight to ensure it's the best it can possibly be for the last OS an older machine can run.
Just because 10.6 won't run on a PPC doesn't make your PPC stop working. It just means eventually you'll have to buy a new machine if you want the latest OS features.
10.4 went to 10.4.11 and if 10.5 is the last PPC OS I'm sure apple will sew it up nice and tight to ensure it's the best it can possibly be for the last OS an older machine can run.