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10.7 seems not uncommon

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With 10.5 and 10.6 there were around 650 days between the previous OS release and the successor release date.

Assuming Apple holds to that schedule, 10.7 would ship in the Spring 2011 time frame.
 

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My Lion wishlist:

- ZFS support (please!).
- Ecnrypted backups via Time Machine. Who wants their data just sitting on an external drive without being encrypted?
- More granular control over Time Machine (schedule and backup items).
- True application uninstall support native in the OS.
 
I don't think 10.6 is good enough for Apple to wait ≈30 months to update it.

What's not going enough? Apple isn't "waiting", they are constantly updating 10.6 with system updates to make it better. People said the same thing about the first several months of 10.5 but it got better over time.

Apple will take as long as needed to make 10.7 awesome because 10.6 wasn't focused on user features. 10.7 needs to show off why they needed to release 10.6. Think of how awesome 7 is compared to Vista, it wouldn't be possible if they never released Vista in the first place.

OS development is a constant battle and Apple is developing it on three different fronts now (iPhone/iSlate/Mac) so their engineering resources are stretched to the limits, which means we should expect to see longer cycle release and delays.

For those of you who is going to say that Apple has to add more engineers, trust me, that's never a sure thing. Finding smart engineers is like finding a needle in a haystack. It's not impossible but will take a long time. There's no way you can add on 100-200 engineers expecting they'll put out a good code, you're lucky to find at least 10 in that group.
 
What's wrong with it?

It was just a performance update. It brought very little new features to the table. Leopard by contrast had Time Machine, Spaces, The new Dock and other UI elements, Quick Look, Coverflow in the finder and so on. Snow Leopard increased performance and more or less did a spring clean of OS X and brought very little tangible additions to the platform, most of its changes were just that, changes of existing features.

So it is quite likely that Apple has spent time developing new applications for the next release of OS X whilst they were still working on 10.6 and with the OS already so performance tuned it isn't necessary to have an 18 month development cycle this time. But this is just my opinion of course. But to actually answer your question there wasn't anything wrong with Snow Leopard but it isn't really a consumer update to OS X its more of a Developer update and a self-serving update on Apples part they basically had us pay for them to clean up their own house, not that I mind it was priced low enough and they did release it before doing another update focused on new features.
 
Give me:

1) REAL resolution independency

2) a way to use the power of the GPU to play HD movies (especially x.264 MKVs) in third party players, either in the "GPU-decoding way" (like UVD/Purevideo+DXVA in Windows) or in the "GPGPU way" (like CoreAVC 2.0 with CUDA support in Windows); I know that QuickTimeX supports h.264 video acceleration on 9400M GPUs but that's useless for common x.264 MKVs...
 
It was just a performance update. It brought very little new features to the table. Leopard by contrast had Time Machine, Spaces, The new Dock and other UI elements, Quick Look, Coverflow in the finder and so on. Snow Leopard increased performance and more or less did a spring clean of OS X and brought very little tangible additions to the platform, most of its changes were just that, changes of existing features.

So it is quite likely that Apple has spent time developing new applications for the next release of OS X whilst they were still working on 10.6 and with the OS already so performance tuned it isn't necessary to have an 18 month development cycle this time. But this is just my opinion of course. But to actually answer your question there wasn't anything wrong with Snow Leopard but it isn't really a consumer update to OS X its more of a Developer update and a self-serving update on Apples part they basically had us pay for them to clean up their own house, not that I mind it was priced low enough and they did release it before doing another update focused on new features.

Just? WOW.
 
Maybe they'll fix what the broke in Finder and Spotlight for me. :rolleyes:

2) a way to use the power of the GPU to play HD movies (especially x.264 MKVs) in third party players, either in the "GPU-decoding way" (like UVD/Purevideo+DXVA in Windows) or in the "GPGPU way" (like CoreAVC 2.0 with CUDA support in Windows); I know that QuickTimeX supports h.264 video acceleration on 9400M GPUs but that's useless for common x.264 MKVs...
I think I'll wait until this is included before I buy another Mac.
 
Even with true app uninstall Adobe's always going to find a way to mess up either by putting files in a place the system won't look or by forgetting to register components with the system correctly.

Most cocoa "good citizen" apps could easily be removed fully by the system removing the preferences and any files in /Application Support/.

I imagine a system wide uninstaller would be kind of hard to get perfect, but Apple could do better than they are doing now.

I've never had a problem with HFS+ (Journaled). I've never lost files due to data corruption. The performance always seems reasonable. The fact my laptop disc spins at 5400rpm is probably a bigger barrier. The new filesystem for me is of little to no importance.

Apple will likely replace it at some point as the requirements today when designing a filesystem are very different to the requirement from 10 years ago. Remember this filesystem will work with iPhone, iPod touch, the new tablet if it is released and any other devices they are dreaming up. I imagine it would be a big, multi year engineering project, something Apple may not have the resources for right now.

OS X is in some areas 10 years ahead of Windows 7 in terms of UI design. In OS X you won't find any dialogs designed in the 90s in mind, such as Windows network settings. Fixed sized, small, non resizable modal windows. This is UI salad and it's all over the place still the deeper you dig down in Windows. Taskbar settings are another example. So from that perspective Microsoft still have a lot more to fix than Apple. Praising up Apple, criticising Microsoft, controversial stuff on here in these times. I bet this won't go down well, but I think I have explained my points and cited relevant examples, so there :p
 
I don't quite understand your response, can you clarify?

It's impossible to maintain OS by adding major features in every release, at least for Apple. I think Snow Leopard is pretty good release and I had no major problems with it so far.
 
TAB key. I'm sure there is one on your keyboard.

wow, not what I came to this thread to read, but as a new mac user, that sure does help! Actually that was really the only thing I could find that windows had mac didnt! very helpful!
 
at this point, all i want is fully customizable color schemes

please!

Never going to happen. Apple is not a customization friendly company. That's the whole point behind their design principles. If you don't like it, switch to MS or Linux which can provide you all the customization options you want but I can assure you 90% of Windows or Linux people don't customize their stuff even if they have the ability to. Most often than not the customizations do more harm than good due to the fact that it's not easy to customize anything and often break stuff.

It was just a performance update. It brought very little new features to the table. Leopard by contrast had Time Machine, Spaces, The new Dock and other UI elements, Quick Look, Coverflow in the finder and so on. Snow Leopard increased performance and more or less did a spring clean of OS X and brought very little tangible additions to the platform, most of its changes were just that, changes of existing features.

So it is quite likely that Apple has spent time developing new applications for the next release of OS X whilst they were still working on 10.6 and with the OS already so performance tuned it isn't necessary to have an 18 month development cycle this time. But this is just my opinion of course. But to actually answer your question there wasn't anything wrong with Snow Leopard but it isn't really a consumer update to OS X its more of a Developer update and a self-serving update on Apples part they basically had us pay for them to clean up their own house, not that I mind it was priced low enough and they did release it before doing another update focused on new features.

Snow Leopard was not just a performance update.

It was a major core modernization for an OS core that was reaching a decade old. This can not be emphasized enough to show how hard it is to do that in any OS and we should be glad that it did not take more than two years to complete. It was not suppose to bring any new features, so you can't compare it to Leopard or Tiger either. Grand Central and OpenCL are not something you can "pad" on any OS, it requires a significant amount of changes to the core in order to work well. It'll also take a few years for many developers to start taking advantage of those features. There are hundreds of thousands of changes in the core that none of us can see, feel but will experience in later releases of OS and the new generation of 10.6+ applications.

The applications are not part of the core development teams, they are being constantly updated by the respective teams that works in alignment with the core team.

"a self-serving update on Apples part they basically had us pay for them to clean up their own house, not that I mind it was priced low enough and they did release it before doing another update focused on new features."

Would you rather wait 5-8 years instead?
 
heh. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop support for single-core machines.

-phase out 32bit and have longterm support for snow leopard
-completely 64 bit os

That wouldn't be a huge loss since its only Core Solo minis and even they can be upgraded. IMO, only Core 2 Duo or higher for the 64-bitness.

"wouldn't be surprised if they drop support for single-core machines."

I was surprised to see "Core" (as in "Core 1", before "Core 2") support in 10.6. If you believe that 10.6 was a "cleanup" release, the 32-bit OS code should have been jettisoned then. Not 32-bit application support - that will have to exist for a long, long, long time - but 64-bit OS only.


I think they’ll call it Lynx or Cougar

Considering all the bad jokes about iPad and hygiene products, do you really want to see what people come up with for "Cougar"? ;)
 
wow, not what I came to this thread to read, but as a new mac user, that sure does help! Actually that was really the only thing I could find that windows had mac didnt! very helpful!

You can also go to System Preferences -> Keyboard [Second TAB{Keyboard Shortcuts}] and check "All Controls" so you will be able to go through all UI objects on sccren not only buttons and text fields.
 
Disaster in what way? Give me one example, so I can try it on my Mac.
I've had to click the + every time to search for images since Leopard came out. I never had to do that on Tiger once with the old Show All.

Sorting by kind sorts alphabetically by file extension instead of sorting by file type.

Edit: Sorts by application. This explains why PDFs get tossed in with images in sorting and PNGs end up at the bottom. All those files are opened with Preview. I use Quick Look about 99.999...% of the time though.

Sorting by date is still broken in the Open/Save dialog.

Edit: I don't use Preview to open files anymore since I have more or less working icon previews and using Quick Look does not update Last Opened.

There is no more column view when doing a Spotlight search.

Edit: Still missing.

It's like they don't want me to buy a Mac again. That or use Tiger and Leopard for the rest of my life.

Edit: OS X died a little for me when they got rid of this.
 

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