Mac OS X 10.7 to Get iOS Scrollbars?

[Yamcha]

We can't really say wether the scrollbar will be good or not.. no reason to jump to conclusions, its just a rumor, Apple has done quite well in regards to Operating Systems, at least since OS 10.0, I don't think we'll be disappointed, I personally have very high expectations..

 

[Full of Win]

I cannot think of the last time I used a scroll bar. make them fade out when not in use.

 

[11colmil]

I'm gonna scream if they get rid of aqua. Its what makes OS X "OS X". I've loved this interface since the original iMac.

Part of me, however, wishes they would just move on to OS 11...

 

[Cat-toy]

We can't really say wether the scrollbar will be good or not.. no reason to jump to conclusions, its just a rumor, Apple has done quite well in regards to Operating Systems, at least since OS 10.0, I don't think we'll be disappointed, I personally have very high expectations..

That's kinda the problem, it's a rumor, but usually a new os version/release should be improvements. As it is said tho it seems a step back to many people. Personally I am one who tries to keep expectations low, this way if even mildly satisfied all is good
Remember they need to tip toe to OS11

We shall see...

 

[nightpwnsj00]

Honestly, what is it with people and dismissing the usefulness of scrollbars? Sorry that I don't have a Magic Trackpad and/or Mouse and can't do gestures or whatnot. Besides, scrollbars are incredibly useful for noting one's location on a page/huge document/etc. Having them auto-hide would be dumb for an extra 10 pixels.

I don't mind the monochrome interface. As a user of the Graphite theme for years (as opposed to Aqua), it's really more of the same. Personally, I felt that the blue of Aqua never went with anything else in the entire OS, and the traffic lights didn't either. I don't use the traffic light buttons anyways - yay for keyboard shortcuts (and really, even if you did use them, you'd learn the positioning after frequent usage. The symbols even appear when you hover.) I prefer having my desktop image match the OS, so Graphite is perfect. =)

 

[saxon48]

Any news yet on live stream? It will be a great distraction from my homework.

 

[C. Alan]

I really don't see Steve getting up on stage and getting real excited about scroll bars (or the lack there of). I don't see IOS and OSX crossing paths too much, there are made for very different purposes.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Makes sense, current scroll bars are starting to look very dated.

Agreed; something simple with a subtle 3D feel to it like iTunes has gone for a more monocrome look rather than the gaudy appearance that Mac OS X used to have circa 10.1/10.2.

I for one welcome the death of "Aqua" scroll bars and GUI in general.

I second that - hopefully complete harmonisation of the UI rather than the piecemeal situation that is half Aqua half something else. I don't want to lick my UI, I just want the damn thing to work.

I agree, monochrome is the least distracting color

Agreed - and for those of us who want to get things done and focus on our work the apperance by way of 'teh colours' is a non-issue.

Xcode 4 uses the LLVM compiler which makes smaller and faster executables. Xcode is in Developer preview state right now and my guess is that it will go public in the next Mac OS. So.... why not start the ball rolling with recompiling the OS using LLVM so we have a smaller and faster OS?

From what I understand the very early builds of XCode 4 was still using the GCC from end with the LLVM backend - have they recently changed the default in future builds? It would be awesome if Apple when completely Clang/LLVM in Lion!

Another WAG? Built-in ability to run Windows programs. That is something the business community has been wanting for some time now and would go far to advance Mac sales. It would give business buyers fewer worries to make the switch. Home computing is decreasing in importance as most people only need an iPad for what they do. The future for power users who still need desktop horsepower, is in business users and power home users.

Just my guesses for some radical, yet subtle, changes.

I don't see Apple including some sort of wine environment to run Windows applications but I'm wondering whether Apple should provide virtualisation as a built in feature with Lion - it would anger third parties but it would win over some coverts from the Windows world.

Is Jobs losing his sense of color? Just because the Apple logo went to silver doesn't mean the whole OS needs to follow! I mean come on, does anybody actually think the new grayscale iTunes interface looks better than the previous version?

No, because some of us want out computer to be a computer rather than a gay disco night club. Keep your colour to yourself when you want to go out with the kandi kids doing their raving.

That's kinda the problem, it's a rumor, but usually a new os version/release should be improvements. As it is said tho it seems a step back to many people. Personally I am one who tries to keep expectations low, this way if even mildly satisfied all is good
Remember they need to tip toe to OS11

We shall see...

It will be an incremental update but of course hyped to high heavens. The days of radical changes has long gone - its about step by step improvements. For Apple they don't need to make radical changes because they're not in the same situation as they were 10 years ago. The operating system is hugely modular and thus they're able to make piecemeal upgrade of components when required.

If there are some changes they'll be iWork and iLife 64bit, we'll see Lion with a new interface theme that unifies it all together, maybe a hardware refresh and a few other things. Lets keep out expectations realistic rather than pie in the sky dreams.

 

[saxon48]

Hope it's $29 like it's predecessor was.

That would be welcome. Beats the ol' $129 price tag Leopard had.

 

[fswmacguy]

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It is amazing to me how people can already hate an OS update before they even see or use it. Furthermore, a lot of you are raging in light of RUMORS. It is funny in a sad, unusual way.

 

[BillyBobBongo]

That would be welcome. Beats the ol' $129 price tag Leopard had.

Snow Leopard was cheap to force people to upgrade, for $29 you were a fool not to. I just can't see Lion being that cheap I'm afraid.

I'm hoping that this rumour regarding iOS scrollbars is false, I use a tablet most of the day and I use the current scrollbar quite a bit. Yes I know I can hit the 'hand' button on Wacom, but I like having something there that's obvious to grab.

Of course with that said, the Applications folder, when you open it from the dock, uses a different scrollbar element. It certainly has similarities to that of iOS.

 

[Cat-toy]

Yes
If everything everyone wanted was unleashed on us at once, some people would literally be on fire, like burning

EDIT:
sry, I drink

 

[Kestrel452]

Makes sense, current scroll bars are starting to look very dated.

how?

 

[Azathoth]

Take a look at the new iTune, this should give you an idea of what's to come!

As for one, I hate it, the ping link everywhere and genius link, god, I miss Sound Jam when I see what iTunes is turning into.

I hope to see:
- Resolution independence, would be greatly need on my 27" monitor
- A FS (File System) that could match ZFS (ZFS is another Sun/Oracle failure to be because of licensing), they will loose like they loose from holding on Java for too long (people make alternative and stop holding there breath)
- What about a copy/merge inside the Finder, you know the super killer feature in about any other OS.
- iOS triggerable, please don't put this always ON and everywhere
- Virtualization (we got so many core those days), I would for one be happy to run OS X, iOS, Linux, Windows at the same time (ok I guess VM Ware and Parallels wouldn't be too happy, but it would not be a first for Apple, isn't it!)
- What about a Dictionary that support more then english? I know this could be a hard to do, but maybe you could hire some student part time to do it?
- Text Edit?! maybe a built-in decent text editor please?
- 2010, I still got to repair the permission (I do this since X.0, when will it end?), what about some strategy to prevent installer from doing stupid thing and modify them and force good behaviour? I don't the exact solution, but something must be done, this is getting annoying.
- USB3 support, we all know it's coming anyway
- What about fuse support for NTFS R/W built-in (no more need to hack the mount of NTFS)
- Multiple clipboard, probably one of the first thing I install on a a new machine along with a decent launcher, Quicksilver alike, so I don't have to touch the mouse as possible.
- Care to repair the wireless? this have been less steady since X.5 (I don't know what happen back then, refactoring that failed?!), the menu bar often jam or display the wrong status, auto reconnect often fail to even retry, etc... I must admit it's less often in X.6.4, but still a bit rubbish from time to time

It's a bit exasperating, since many of these points was made in hope to see them in X.3, X.4, X.5, X.6 and now X.7

But i'm sure we gonna see so nice social network base killer feature lol

Agree with the above.

Finder is embarrassingly weak (lack of cut/paste, lack of a smart directory merge), confusing (if you hold cmd-option (oops I mean alt) then it might do something else)*. Enter doesn't open (except in Spotlight). Add some more user control.

Prevent the need for Repair Permissions, followed by 20 error messages that can be safely ignored, but we'll tell you about anyway...

*I've heard he arguments. I don't care what the background is. I've recompiled Linux kernels, that doesn't mean I wouldn't like a smart merge command.

My fear? OS X 10.7. Social Everywhere.
'Your friend likes Accounts_Report2008.xls, would you like to view it too?'
Genius recommendations:
Check out the new 'WalmartSpring2011_Catalog.pdf' and 'DSCN0016.jpg'

Operating systems are pretty much done. Barring some revolution (which I doubt 10.7 will be), a new set of scroll bars are not "magical". I'm sure 10.7 will be good, 10.6 is good.


PS I'd also like a better way of handling the application toolbar in a multimonitor setup...

 

[CFreymarc]

This is the beginning of the end folks. The iOS interface appears dated and this is actually a step backwards.

I won the bet that first post on this thread would be someone bitching about any UI change. Look into the archives and the bitching about the introduction of the aqua blue buttons were just about as bad.

The only thing that is constant is change. It is not if you stop change, it is how you manage the change about you to stay on top.

I'm hoping that this rumour regarding iOS scrollbars is false, I use a tablet most of the day and I use the current scrollbar quite a bit. Yes I know I can hit the 'hand' button on Wacom, but I like having something there that's obvious to grab.

If any post deserves "That's what she said!" it is this one.

Of course with that said, the Applications folder, when you open it from the dock, uses a different scrollbar element. It certainly has similarities to that of iOS.

Just wait til the Mac App store! My guess that is going to be the big splash and not social networking.

 

[knightlie]

uh oh, the nerds who fear change will come out of the woodwork

sounds good to me. Apple are (OBVIOUSLY) far better at interface design than I/we are, so I'm sure it will be a nice evolutionary change, just like most changes to OS X have been

don't be nerds, guys

So speaks someone who doesn't get the importance of UI design. This isn't about change, or being a nerd, it's about functionality.

I doubt Apple are going to mess this up. Scrollbars perform an important function, they're not just some cool effect, and they need to be visible all the time to be of any practical use. You can get away with hiding them on a phone interface, but if I'm editing a 50-page document in Pages I need to know where I am in the document at a glance, not by reaching over and waggling the mouse just to make some hidden UI element appear - visible scroll bars provide this, hidden ones don't.

Again, I can't see Apple getting this wrong.

 

[djrod]

So speaks someone who doesn't get the importance of UI design. This isn't about change, or being a nerd, it's about functionality.

I doubt Apple are going to mess this up. Scrollbars perform an important function, they're not just some cool effect, and they need to be visible all the time to be of any practical use. You can get away with hiding them on a phone interface, but if I'm editing a 50-page document in Pages I need to know where I am in the document at a glance, not by reaching over and waggling the mouse just to make some hidden UI element appear - visible scroll bars provide this, hidden ones don't.

Again, I can't see Apple getting this wrong.

Have you tried iBook?

See the footer dots:

 

[Goman]

Agree with the above.

PS I'd also like a better way of handling the application toolbar in a multimonitor setup...

One of my 'biggest' problems as a switcher indeed! Very annoying moving back and forward between screens just to go to the file menu of an application!

 

[doctor-don]

I don't know how well that would work if you have a scrollwheel mouse.

And I don't know how well that would work if my mouse did not have a scroll wheel.

And they need to be visible all the time. Some internet sites and Finder windows have scrollbars that seem to disappear until the mouse scrollwheel is touched. This makes it appear that what is displayed in the window is all there is to a document.

 

[doctor-don]

I cannot think of the last time I used a scroll bar. make them fade out when not in use.

Scrollbars provide instant info as to the size / length of a document such as a pdf. They need to remain visible, not disappear just because one is not scrolling. Why add an additional step to reading / editing a document?

 

[pad07]

My UI predictions for today's event:

* UI changes

Aqua will remain but be tweaked a lot. In line with the work they've done with iTunes 10 (less colour and the gradient of the window chrome will be introduced across the OS), iLife '09 and also MobileMe.

The scrollbars will either become like those on iOS as rumoured or they will adopt the flattened iTunes look. I think the Aqua buttons will also die a death in favour of MobileMe style, flattened blue.

The system font may well change to Helvetica to match the iOS font, and in fact I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. This will significantly "freshen" the UI I imagine. I'd like to think they will refresh icons systemwide also, just for something fresh. Traffic lights will remain but be tweaked again.

We may see the title bar disappearing/compacting in some native apps in the same way iTunes has with its newest release. I can see the menubar being changed, perhaps inverted to be white-text-on-dark.


* Bundled apps

I think all the bundled apps will receive upgrades this time. I can see iCal being revamped visually to match MobileMe's look.

Mail will likely adopt a widescreen view as standard, and tweaks to buttons etc. Address Book could well adopt a more iPad-esque theme, and have native integration with social networks (a theme across the whole OS?)

All in all, a clean-up and, again, de-Aquafying of the elements ala MobileMe. Still glossy, but not candy-like. A more professional Aqua.

 

[pmz]

Honestly, what is it with people and dismissing the usefulness of scrollbars? Sorry that I don't have a Magic Trackpad and/or Mouse and can't do gestures or whatnot. Besides, scrollbars are incredibly useful for noting one's location on a page/huge document/etc. Having them auto-hide would be dumb for an extra 10 pixels.

I don't mind the monochrome interface. As a user of the Graphite theme for years (as opposed to Aqua), it's really more of the same. Personally, I felt that the blue of Aqua never went with anything else in the entire OS, and the traffic lights didn't either. I don't use the traffic light buttons anyways - yay for keyboard shortcuts (and really, even if you did use them, you'd learn the positioning after frequent usage. The symbols even appear when you hover.) I prefer having my desktop image match the OS, so Graphite is perfect. =)

People that naturally prefer the Aqua theme are far superior in the right brain.

 

[pmz]

same thing happens in every industry: cars, guitars, audio equipment...everything

everyone wants something new and then when the company they're fan-boying over delivers, they complain

and then some dumbass like me chimes in and wastes time offering a counterpoint for no good reason

I'm sorry where in your post did you offer a counterpoint? I'm looking and it's not there.

Again, how do iOS lack of scrollbars = "big news" according to some maniac quoted in the article? That was posted without correction or notation, so I can only assume macrumors feels that way too.

 

[pmz]

The only thing that is constant is change. It is not if you stop change, it is how you manage the change about you to stay on top.

what great quote. A universal truth!

 

[pmz]

That would be welcome. Beats the ol' $129 price tag Leopard had.

Lion will cost exactly $129 in the US.