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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 9A343 Seeded to Developers

'well...if u look at it..everything that has been seeded has been told to the public whats in it etc. and we've seen the pics of Leopard and so on. so high chances that everything that is gonna make this worth buying is not in any dev updates. and you know apple is aiming to make consumers switch to apple so im thinking that well, this is gonna be the one OS that is gonna kick Vista's ass for sure. i mean vista has copied everything so far of the previous OS, now apple will knock them out with something that Vista and no other OS has. i mean that is likely isnt it?Like steve said... 'the first 30 years was just the begining' this year we are gonna i bet you we are gonna be spending most of what we make on apple :p
 
Stridder44 said:
Is the smartest thing I've read so far in this thread...
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if every post stating people are waiting for rev b is considered "the smartest post of the thread" then we have a quite a bit of brainpower floating about on this board.:p



Linksgolfer84 said:
There's no chance that this release will have a "new" UI. The thought is completely ridiculous. Just look at how minor that UI changes have been since 10.0. Apple said to expect more "features," not a new look.

The next overhaul to the UI will not go under the name OSX
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i wouldn't go that far

the upgrade from OS9 to OSX was quite a bit more than just a UI change...
 
blad3z said:
'well...if u look at it..everything that has been seeded has been told to the public whats in it etc. and we've seen the pics of Leopard and so on. so high chances that everything that is gonna make this worth buying is not in any dev updates. and you know apple is aiming to make consumers switch to apple so im thinking that well, this is gonna be the one OS that is gonna kick Vista's ass for sure. i mean vista has copied everything so far of the previous OS, now apple will knock them out with something that Vista and no other OS has. i mean that is likely isnt it?Like steve said... 'the first 30 years was just the begining' this year we are gonna i bet you we are gonna be spending most of what we make on apple :p
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and by allowing vista to come out first microsoft can't have anymore "delays" to copy the new features... i'm truly excited.
 
jmsait19 said:
and by allowing vista to come out first microsoft can't have anymore "delays" to copy the new features... i'm truly excited.
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And thats the dumbest comment of this thread. Features take time to develop, its not like ohhh I saw Spotlight, Ill remake it in 5 days.



The whole copy thing is rubbish. Everybody including Apple copies from independent develepors and Linux. Wheres the problem? Whatever gets me the best product.
 
jmsait19 said:
if every post stating people are waiting for rev b is considered "the smartest post of the thread" then we have a quite a bit of brainpower floating about on this board.:p
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Haha this is true. However, not everyone's gonna wait. I'm really adapting the "wait for rev. b" theory into almost anything electronic. I think you can even apply the theory for buying cars. But naturally, it's just a theory...
 
Tech Talk

Oh, just in time for the Leopard Tech talk I'm attending tomorrow morning. I wonder if they will pass it out while I'm there? Guess I'll find out.

Oh, and to the poster asking if it's stable, it's always been stable, but the previous Leopard releases are not complete; super secret stuff I'm sure.
 
jmsait19 said:
and by allowing vista to come out first microsoft can't have anymore "delays" to copy the new features... i'm truly excited.
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and my dog craps rainbows

I'm pretty sure Microsoft could give a rip less that Apple's tryin to "hide" their new OS. I mean MAYBE they are keeping some tabs, but really now I'm sure Microsoft has enough on it's plate to not be paranoid about what their competitor of 4.7% marketshare is up to.
 
Stridder44 said:
LOL and my dog craps rainbows

I'm pretty sure Microsoft could give a rip less that Apple's tryin to "hide" their new OS. I mean MAYBE they are keeping some tabs, but really now I'm sure Microsoft has enough on it's plate to not be paranoid about what their competitor of 4.7% marketshare is up to.
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Hear Hear.
 
Developer release not a beta.

PI think some people are not getting that those are just the changes in the last month.

I also think that some people are forgetting that these are developer releases and not actual betas. Anything shiney and new that isn't core to the OS, probablty has been stripped out, with the exception of developer tools. Terminal is a developer tool and it's one of the apps whose revisions are seeing the light of day, I wonder if there is some correlation there.

Also I'm another person who uses terminal. We're more numerous then you think.
 
We all think that. The question is, are we all right? Or will this be just an incremental update? Things are pointing to new UI, but who knows? It's such a Frankenstein in terms of look and feel that if they just threw the new black Java app look into it, it'd just be another sewn on mis matched limb.

oceanmonster said:
Does anyone think that apple is hiding the new UI and keeping it out of the developer builds?
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Uh, I'm not sure what everyone means by new UI, but from the look of Apple's recent stuff it seems to me that the Aqua's days are numbered. Look around, black shiny glass and reflections seems to dominate. iPhone has it, iTunes has it, the OS X Leopard logo has it, and your sister has it. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

Anywho, one could argue that the black shiny glass already appears in other apps to some degree, but I get the feeling that Leopard will look a little different. Not a fundamentally different UI, but I would say a refresh is quite in order.

Even at that, a refreshed look and the announced features wouldn't sell me on a $129. Let's hope Leopard doesn't bellyflop right after Vista ships, that would sure suck.
 
How will developers integrate their apps into the new UI? Or will it simply be a case of the default colours of windows/scroll bars etc simply changing when the program is loaded under Leopard (if it has a new-look UI) ?
 
Object-X said:
Oh, just in time for the Leopard Tech talk I'm attending tomorrow morning. I wonder if they will pass it out while I'm there? Guess I'll find out.

Oh, and to the poster asking if it's stable, it's always been stable, but the previous Leopard releases are not complete; super secret stuff I'm sure.
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Hehe, let us know how it went. The one I am going to is the 24th in New York.
 
Linksgolfer84 said:
There's no chance that this release will have a "new" UI. The thought is completely ridiculous. Just look at how minor that UI changes have been since 10.0. Apple said to expect more "features," not a new look.

The next overhaul to the UI will not go under the name OSX
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the thought is not completely ridiculous. apple updates the the GUI every 6-7 years.

'84 mac os1
'91 mac os 7
'98 mac os 8
'01 mac os x

it usually happens when the OS has made so many incremental changes that things are a bit out of hand. they go back clean things up and standardize.

throw in the fact that they're moving to a fully resolution independent display system, the upgraded UI hints in itunes (always a precursor to OS level changes), the absence of both ilife and any mention of leopard at macworld and finally the likelihood that leopard will have to last 3 or more years. that all points to a new GUI. steve won't be able to let a 6 year old GUI go for another 2-4 years.

i'm not 100% sold, but i think the delay in ilife/iwork is because it will require/look like leopard's new UI. i'm guessing that for those app developers that utilize the standard controls will get the GUI update for free (apple is really good about that, follow their rules and you're ahead of the game, see xcode/intel transistion). those that are creating custom stuff that looks like aqua are going to be screwed (e.g. microsoft), those that are creating totally custom UIs (e.g. delicious monster) will be fine, but may choose to upgrade the look to feel more integrated. and let's not forget some top tier developers like wil shipley may very well have the new GUI in their builds. certain developers have hinted at things they're not allowed to talk about so who knows. i could totally see apple giving a few very public devs access.

ultimately, i think steve wants to avoid the deluge of copy-cat skins that will appear hours after he demos the GUI as happened with aqua. my bet -- we'll see a final 10.5 demoed 2-3 weeks prior to shipping.
 
Rocketman said:
10.x releases tend to have pretty major stability issues related to the secret features. I would wait for 10.5.1 to do an install.

Also what is the very first day of Spring 2007 technically?

Rocketman
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Spring begins (in America) on Sunday, March 20.
Spring ends (in America) on June 20, 2007.
 
Speaking as a developer, I can safely say that most of the posters in this thread have no idea what most of the changes between 9A321 and 9A343 are, nor would they much care*. The radically new UI idea is pretty damn unlikely** too. The waiting for Vista idea is also ludicrous**. Oh, and the "10.5 prereleases have all been stable" thing was wrong too.


*no, they weren't all in the rather sparse changelog Apple included, and no, most of them weren't new features any user will ever see directly.

**no inside confirmation on either of these, just common sense and a basic understanding of how OSs and various third party apps work.
 
Stridder44 said:
and my dog craps rainbows

I'm pretty sure Microsoft could give a rip less that Apple's tryin to "hide" their new OS. I mean MAYBE they are keeping some tabs, but really now I'm sure Microsoft has enough on it's plate to not be paranoid about what their competitor of 4.7% marketshare is up to.
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Amen. And my cat drops solid gold turds into the litterbox.
Even if Microsoft did give a flying rainbow the OS was effectively finished in November. WWDC was in what? Aug? Anything that can be designed and implemented into an OS within 3-5 months from a drop dead start date is a trivial enhancement, or rushed and would be about as stable as the Titanic, to begin with. I mean seriously imagine MS trying to implement Expose in 3 months with a deadline that manufacturers chomping at the bit for.
Think about it a second. Microsoft has had so many delays, so many setbacks. Hell they dumped their core source code (XP) and started the project virtually from scratch with Server 2003's source a year into the project. Only a handful of Mac users would have an ego big enough to think that MS would even care at this point as they hurtle towards a looming deadline (Take 3).
Its like a submarine going down....leak in the engine room, fire in the torpedo room, and flooding on the bridge. But all of a sudden the captain orders everyone to start painting the galley a lovely olive green because it looks nice. Ain't going to happen.....

Sorry I just finished watching the season ender of Seaquest DSV; and watched Abyss and Hunt for Red October last night. :D
 
SiliconAddict said:
Behold the top secret feature in Leopard......Tabs in terminal. :p
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OMG, totally worth the money if you ask me. I don't use the GUI in OSX anyway, all so slow and you have to use the mouse. Text based interfaces are just so much better.

photosop blur -gaussian 2 5 2 picture.raw picture.psd

Way faster than getting through all those menus, isn't it? YOu know how a blus looks like, so why bother actually open the picture to see? :D :D :D :D ;)

I barely use terminal. Sometimes it opens itself if you run a java app and I used it once to resize partitions (you can do that since tiger. Disk utility rocks, too bad you can't get the feature from the gui).

If I wanted command line, I'd go linux all the way and copy updated packages every week for every little app I have that does exactly one thing, but there are so many application, they all start with K and I don't know what half of them actually do and why i would ever want to open them. Don't get me, wrong, it's awesome for servers, but it's not an interface I enjoy using.

Leopard will definitely have a "redesigned" menu bar, and the blue apple will look a little different, but I guess that's pretty much it. I actually like the colorful Traffic-light buttons on the windows. I wish there was a keyboard shortcut for the green one though. :rolleyes:
 
Stridder44 said:
and my dog craps rainbows

I'm pretty sure Microsoft could give a rip less that Apple's tryin to "hide" their new OS. I mean MAYBE they are keeping some tabs, but really now I'm sure Microsoft has enough on it's plate to not be paranoid about what their competitor of 4.7% marketshare is up to.
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i agree... im not saying that microsoft is keeping tabs or anything. but it does seem that one company innovates a little more than the other. and of course after an item is out then each company will adopt th features as they become something of a standard.

and i wasn't trying to say that apple was purposefully delaying leopard's release... that's something a ten year old would do...

i also wasn't ripping on that guy for saying that.

but enough making excuses.
 
I have a feeling we might see the end of brushed metal and the extension of the aluminum found in iTunes and Tiger Mail. I like that look a lot better than brushed metal. As for the gumdrops and scrollers, We might see them change back to iTunes 7, but I like the gumdrops. As for Lucida Grande, I hope it stays, and I think it will.

Black is just not good for a GUI. I think it's too hard to read text on. Sure, the iPhone is fine, but imagine EVERYTHING about your mac being black. It'd just be hard to read. I think the black here and there in iLife is okay.

It's rather evident that the aluminum look is in. They put it in Mail. They put it in iTunes. They're putting it in iChat. I can't remember whether or not they're putting it in Safari. But it's in iMovie, and iWeb. I think that's the change. Goodbye pinstripes (pretty much gone anyway) and brushed metal; hello aluminum!
 
Do not expect any big top secret features in Leopard

shrimpdesign said:
It's not like Apple is marketing it as a big feature.

There are still big top secret features yet to be releaved with Leopard. All the little stuff is getting updated in the developer preview, like QuickLook and tabbed terminal.
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Why are you so certain that there gonan be big top secret features in Leopard? Quite frankly, I no longer believe what Steve has promised us.
 
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