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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 9A343 Seeded to Developers

Tabs EVERYWHERE!...

I don't understand why no one's said it yet. If they are putting tabs in Terminal then I reckon that they'll be putting them EVERYWHERE!

Couple this with what Safari 3 will be able to do with tabs like "consolidate all open windows into one, making tabs for each existing page in a single Safari browser window" or the other way around. Or a bit of both with pre-defined tab-groups. Or even smart-tab-groups. An eco-system for tabs.

Now take this to all applications. Mail and iTunes are in dire need of tabs (and also bread-crumbs for that matter!). I can just see Steve saying "consolidate... separate... consolidate... separate... boom... simple!" as he flips between all tabs in one window and then all tabs separated into a window each. Just like Expose. But it wont be Expose. It'll be better. You'll be able to touch them!...

Cheers Daniel
 
skwert said:
can february please be considered spring?
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God no. If February was only spring then that would mean we're coming into summer and seeing as how it's hot as hell here now I'd probably be installing thousands of air conditioners and trucking in some snow from Antarctica.

February is Summer here, winter up there.
 
jericho53 said:
Exactly, tabbed terminal. Who cares?
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I'll toss in my hat too - I use tabbed terminal every day ... in linux (kde or fluxbox as wm). I've found it absolutely necessary for concurrently connecting to three machines plus my own. There's way too much clutter otherwise.

I will be interested to see what Apple's implementation feels like, though. While I use the fluxbox and kde implementations to get around clutter, they're not a perfect solution. It does feel like a break from human interface guidelines to have two different ways to get to two different kinds of "windows" (Alt-Tab to the Terminal window, then some other combination to change tabs), and I do catch myself getting confused sometimes. *shrug*
 
I really hope Leopard
has a completely revamped print dialog

something more similar to how windows has theres.
I find the mac Print box difficult to use. in that its trying to be overly simplistic

Birdie said:
Sell my mac and escape the damn over and over again apple product cycle
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even if you sell your mac.
you will still be interested in whats going to appear.
so really there is no way out
 
kildjean said:
So since the iPhone is set to be released on June, we could be seeing a June release for leopard? ugh thats 6 months away.... :(
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Not necesarily. Maybe it takes that long for the FCC to OK it and make enough for the 1st shipment. It might take a few months for the tens of thousands or however many they're going to ship in the 1st batch.

As for those people who say "why do we need a tabbed terminal?" or ask why people need a certain feature you wouldn't use: just because you wouldn't use a certain feature doesn't mean no one needs it. Most of you wouldn't have a need for a scalpel, but doctors performing surgeries might. So don't ask why certain features are added, or at least ask how they could be used in a respectful manner. I'm getting really POed by all of you being ******s.
 
Apple missed a big opportunity here. With the processor and memory they could have made this a mini tablet computer. It needs to be able to run Pages and Keynote. Pages can open Word docs and with the keyboard the iphone has it would be a great feature to be able to open a Word doc and make changes and email it back. There are competing PDA smartphones that run Powerpoint and allow you to put a Powerpoint file on then and plug them into a projector or laptop or even use the Smartphone screen to make a presentation. An Audiovox model comes to mind. The firepower is already built into the iphone, so why not use it. At $500 to 600 it is grossly over priced for what you get. I get as much functionality now out of my SLVR and it's much sleeker, has longer battery life and can be gotten for $99. I would pay $500 for the iphone if it would run Pages and Keynote but as it is currently configured, it is just an overpriced eye candy toy.
 
ChrisA said:
I was just going to comment "Wow Tabs in Terminal -- Something I'll actually use" and then I saw your comment. I use this feature a lot (as in like 8 hours a day) in Linux.

You'd be surprised how many users are coming to Mac OX from UNIX backgrounds.
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I agree with this. I'm excited about it. Linux is my primary desktop OS, and I regularly have some 8 tabs open in the KDE terminal. It was annoying that OS X didn't allow that. Bravo!
 
jmsait19 said:
i agree... im not saying that microsoft is keeping tabs or anything. but it does seem that one company innovates a little more than the other. and of course after an item is out then each company will adopt th features as they become something of a standard.

and i wasn't trying to say that apple was purposefully delaying leopard's release... that's something a ten year old would do...

i also wasn't ripping on that guy for saying that.

but enough making excuses.
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If we were having this discussion 5+ months ago i would have said it was entirely possible for MS to steal an idea from Apple, set back Vista release a few more months and maybe steal an idea or too. To be thinking that at this stage is insane!

They have openly marketed a release date and will not go back on that expcept in the event of a natural disaster or the end of the world......not only that but the disks will be being pressed and they will have already started being shipped to mass warehouses around the world!

Hardly think MS is in the position to steal ideas let alone implement them now even if they were pee'n their pants wanting to!

(btw - the rant wasn't at the guy i quoted :) )
 
WooHoo Tabbed Terminal Windows! :D

Not exciting but useful none the less.

I think the biggest Leopard preview was the iPhone interface.

I can certainly see them making a Tablet PC now. I always thought not having access to the keyboard was an issue in the older Tablets. The new interface certainly opens up the possibilities for that now. The Mac Tablet that was shown at MacWorld by ??? certainly drew alot of attention. Apple marketing was quick to point out the declining desktop sales and the overwhelming laptop sales.

Why are so many of the OS X users in denial about their Unix Roots? Embrace it, its what makes your Mac Great! LOL

Look for Microsoft to go Unix based in the next major release. I'm sure thats why their cozying up to Novell of late.
 
adamfilip said:
I really hope Leopard
has a completely revamped print dialog

something more similar to how windows has theres.
I find the mac Print box difficult to use. in that its trying to be overly simplistic
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It does.
 
well met mate`

Chef Medeski said:
And thats the dumbest comment of this thread. Features take time to develop, its not like ohhh I saw Spotlight, Ill remake it in 5 days.



The whole copy thing is rubbish. Everybody including Apple copies from independent develepors and Linux. Wheres the problem? Whatever gets me the best product.
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i had no idea you were here too. i will be going out tonight to business toronto and those ety will be accompanying me! how are the um2 doing?
 
:d

c'mon this is just boring. we as macusers need at least "one" killerfeature that bashes every vista user away. that's why we buy an os! not for work, not for fun, only to bash microsoft! Yeah, that's the motivation! We are the fellowships of the steve!*




*this post is 100% nosence and ironic.
 
Daveway said:
With each build I grown more weary of how awesome the shipping version will be. How amazing can these features be if they don't require developers to adapt their software. ...
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[cough]Successful Intel Transistion[cough]

Apple didn't tell even Adobe about their porting move, and as pointed out by their reponse on 'slow MacPro' systems at their Financials Conference on Wednesday, they realize that it is most likely due to CS2 not available for Mac on Intel.

Therefore, Apple has shown in the past that they can do amazing, radical things without telling developers. Unless you and I have a different definition on the success of the intel transistion.

-=|Mgkwho
 
jericho53 said:
Exactly, tabbed terminal. Who cares?
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Well there's a large group of OS X users that are developers (like me) who use the Terminal quite often. So tabs is a big deal, in the past you had to resort to 3rd party apps like iTerm.

But you're right for the average consumer, they will never touch the Terminal. But for those of use who its a welcomed enhancement.
 
Marlor said:
I really miss tabbed terminals. I used to use them in Linux all the time, and hate the mess of terminal windows that I get with OS X.

These are developer-related features of course. The big new surprises for Leopard aren't going to be in the dev builds, otherwise they would be leaked within a heartbeat.
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Use iTerm. Much more featured than terminal.app
 
eenu said:
If we were having this discussion 5+ months ago i would have said it was entirely possible for MS to steal an idea from Apple, set back Vista release a few more months and maybe steal an idea or too. To be thinking that at this stage is insane!
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Just to play devil's advocate a bit: While MS can't be thinking about adding whizbang new features and filesystems and so forth at this stage, they could be thinking of their marketing. Knowing exactly what they're going up against would make it easier for their marketing teams to develop counter-strategies, and avoid getting blindsided by some fancypants new features in the competition.

Though I imagine they may well already know....
 
oceanmonster said:
Does anyone think that apple is hiding the new UI and keeping it out of the developer builds?
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They may be doing that. Apple's main concern might be for existing apps to work 'as is' in Leopard even though there maybe a new UI. Developers might then be given a conversion kit once the cat is out of the bag .. oh no.. did I really say that! ;)
 
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