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Mac OS X Lion Roundup: Recovery Partitions, TRIM, Core 2 Duo Minimum, Security Focus

Gak. All these testers and nobody's told us if Rosetta is still included!
 
IzzyJG99 said:
Pretty pathetic that you would need an Intel Core 2 Duo or better to run it. This is Apple obviously wanting to sell more units. Shame. This is probably one of the contributing factors why my company is now phasing back to PC's.
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This is apple wanting to make a 64bit kernel and apps standard and the default
 
JohnGalt81 said:
More likely it requires a 64-bit processor, which Core 2 Duo processors are, and the original Core Solo/Duo processor are not.
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This is probably the case, while OS X can still support 32-bit software, I'm sure they are compiling the rest of the system and default apps for 64-bit only.
 
mrblack927 said:
Unfortunately Lion (at least for now) supports trim ONLY on Apple SSDs. My Intel X25-M G2 isn't supported in Lion, even though the drive itself supports TRIM.
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That is very disappointing, though I'm sure someone will find a workaround to get it to work on 3rd party SSD's.
 
IzzyJG99 said:
Pretty pathetic that you would need an Intel Core 2 Duo or better to run it. This is Apple obviously wanting to sell more units. Shame. This is probably one of the contributing factors why my company is now phasing back to PC's.
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I'm using one of the old Core Duos that's losing support, but I can understand Apple's position. The new computers are switching to SSD, so they need to reduce file sizes any way they can, so they are dropping 32-bit support. Also, all Macs from the past 5 years meet this requirement. I don't remember the PC industry supporting their hardware for that long.
 
Here's hoping that the Lion reliance on Open GL 3.2 translates to better viewport performance in 3d programs.
 
AidenShaw said:
Nice to see Apple copying Windows' good ideas.
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Typically, this causes problems if the recovery partition isn't transferable with something like SuperDuper! or CCC (for the Windows crowd, those are the two most popular drive cloning software applications for Macs).

I'd rather have the recovery software be on a thumbdrive (similar to how OSX is delivered for the MBA) than be restricted to a partition that may be difficult or impossible to clone between drives. These are Macs, after all, not Windows computers that may not support booting from an external drive in the first place.
 
- CNET notes that Apple has apparently invited a number of security researchers to test out Mac OS X Lion, a move that seems to signal a more open relationship with those who are trying to find security vulnerabilities in Apple's software.
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This is all great news, but this bit here is the best. I'm glad Apple is jumping head first into security research to find bugs as early as possible.

seek3r said:
This is apple wanting to make a 64bit kernel and apps standard and the default
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Yep. And while yes, it sucks for those who have a Core Duo or Solo, it's a much needed move to complete the transition to a near-fully 64-bit OS.
 
You should add to the front page that the minimum requirements for the RAM is 2 GB.

allpar said:
Gak. All these testers and nobody's told us if Rosetta is still included!
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I was watching a live stream of Lion last night and when they tried to open up a PPC application it just said it wasn't supported and they didnt direct you to download. Looking pretty grim for Rosetta.
 
mrblack927 said:
Unfortunately Lion (at least for now) supports trim ONLY on Apple SSDs. My Intel X25-M G2 isn't supported in Lion, even though the drive itself supports TRIM.
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I'm sure that will change come release time. (although I could see it not forcing people to buy BTO to get TRIM).
 
milbournosphere said:
Well color me surprised. My Core Duo MBP keeps up with Snow Leopard just fine. Add an SSD and I could get a lot more life out of my laptop. I don't understand the restriction. My Core Duo chip can handle Angry Birds apps just fine...
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I hear ya!! I have the original Core Duo Macbook myself. I upgraded the original 60 GB hard drive when it was getting full to an Intel 160 GB SSD with Snow Leopard and it runs amazingly well. I'm not a hard core gamer, so the graphics performance doesn't bother me much, but for practically everything else, it suits me well.

However, I figured Snow Leopard was going to be the last OS supported on this machine, so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that Lion won't be supported. A Macbook Air with Lion running an ULV Sandy Bridge processor and Thunderbolt should tie me over for the next four years or so.
 
orfeas0 said:
I guess the next generation will be the one we were expecting as "the future of macbooks". :)
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I'm hoping so. I've pretty much decided to wait it out a bit longer (most of my work is on big, remote machines anyway, all I need locally often, at least mobily, is a terminal), Ivy Bridge, with better quads, USB3, and hell, maybe optical TB, retina displays, and a redesign lie ahead :p
 
If I install Lion on my 2010 MBP with Apple SSD, will I get the benefit of TRIM retroactively? Will I have to reformat my SSD?
 
AidenShaw said:
Nice to see Apple copying Windows' good ideas.




LOL for all the posts claiming that TRIM wasn't needed.




Not pathetic - smart. All Lion systems will be x64 systems. Developers won't have to worry about the tiny fraction of Intel Apples that are x86-only.

If you look my history of posting, you'll see that I've said

  • Apple should have skipped Yonah (Core and Core Duo) and waited for Merom (Core 2) several months later. I said this before the first Yonah systems were released.
  • I said that Apple should have dropped x86 in Apple OSX 10.6 - and made that release x64-only.

32-bit is dead. Windows Server doesn't support 32-bit, and the next version of Windows client won't support 32-bit. Apple is doing everyone a favor by simplifying Lion.
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32bit is dead but the first powermac G5 is 64 bit and apple don't let it to run a 64 bit os. same was 2006 mac pro 64bit cpu and 32 bit EFI don't support 64 bit graphics card and don't support 64 OS. And says in the box 64bit machine!

Apple is getting like micro$oft
 
The lack of CoreDuo support is disappointing but not unexpected. Thankfully I just use my blackbook as a iTunes server and DVD ripper, so until they update iTunes to be Lion-only i'm fine with sticking with what I have.
 
mrblack927 said:
Unfortunately Lion (at least for now) supports trim ONLY on Apple SSDs. My Intel X25-M G2 isn't supported in Lion, even though the drive itself supports TRIM. I've heard the same from people with Vertex 2 drives. Might change by release time, might not. Great way to get people to buy your SSDs....
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That's some BS. I plan on getting the next gen MBP (by gen I mean redesign not spec bump) to replace my pre-unibody MBP and putting the X-25M g3 in. Really hoping they add TRIM for more than just their own by the time it's finished and going on sale.
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
That's some BS. I plan on getting the next gen MBP (by gen I mean redesign not spec bump) to replace my pre-unibody MBP and putting the X-25M g3 in. Really hoping they add TRIM for more than just their own by the time it's finished and going on sale.
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Keep in mind that this is only the first build.
 
No, PC support is much longer

squirrelist said:
Also, all Macs from the past 5 years meet this requirement. I don't remember the PC industry supporting their hardware for that long.
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Intel CPUs/chipsets released in October 1999 are officially supported by Windows 7 (requirements are 1 GHz CPU, 1 GiB RAM).

Although your history is suspect - I agree that the time is here to abandon x86 systems and support only x64 systems. Windows 7 Server (officially called "Windows Server 2008 R2") is x64-only, and Microsoft has sent notice that the next version of Windows client will be x64-only.
 
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