Mac OS X Lion Roundup: Recovery Partitions, TRIM, Core 2 Duo Minimum, Security Focus

[Dammit Cubs]

Its called minimum for a reason.

Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Fraaaa]

This is apple wanting to make a 64bit kernel and apps standard and the default

More likely it requires a 64-bit processor, which Core 2 Duo processors are, and the original Core Solo/Duo processor are not.
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I haven't seen an "finally iTunes 64bit!!" comment yet.

 

[GFLPraxis]

Well, there goes my still-perfectly-functional-and-used MacBook 2 GHz Core Duo.

 

[Reach9]

I hope Lion won't be laggy on my 13" 2010 C2D MacBook Pro.

 

[jdechko]

Anyone know if Lion will support whole disk encryption?

 

[300D]

Wow, they are already dropping supported models? This means when Applecare is expired, so is your ability to use the newest OS release!

This will not be good for Apple's reputation at all!
Don't expect your 3 year old $2500 computer to be able to run new software in its 4th year.
This means developers will need to make 3 versions of their software; PPC, Snow Leopard and Lion.

 

[Hellhammer]

I haven't seen an "finally iTunes 64bit!!" comment yet.

Still 32-bit.

 

[dr_lha]

I haven't seen an "finally iTunes 64bit!!" comment yet.

How about a "finally, 64 bit Carbon!" comment?!?

I'm guessing 32 bit apps will still be supported, unless they're revamping iTunes to be Cocoa (would be nice, if only to revamp iTunes), it'll still be 32 bit.

 

[chaosbunny]

I was watching a live stream of Lion last night and when they tried to open up a PPC application it just said it wasn't supported and they didnt direct you to download. Looking pretty grim for Rosetta.

Well, that sucks - guess I'll skip Lion then. Or maybe keep 10.6 and get an additional SSD for my Mac Pro to put it on - that sounds like a good Idea actually...

 

[canucksfan88]

while i guess promoting newer processors is a good thing, i dont think it should be limited to just c2d.

i have windows 7 going on my old p4.

 

[Westside guy]

Recovery partitions are annoying, and needlessly tie up disk space. I've seen some of our faculty purchase Windows laptops where the available space was 30-40 percent smaller than the actual hard drive, all because of the stupid recovery partition. I'd rather have the DVDs.

TRIM... don't particularly care. I hope it doesn't mean they're moving to lower-quality SSDs though.

The one thing I care about regarding Lion is the rumored whole disk encryption - and that hasn't shown up yet. Hopefully that wasn't just something someone pulled out of their... hat.

 

[plumosa]

Wow, they are already dropping supported models? This means when Applecare is expired, so is your ability to use the newest OS release!

This will not be good for Apple's reputation at all!
Don't expect your 3 year old $2500 computer to be able to run new software in its 4th year.
This means developers will need to make 3 versions of their software; PPC, Snow Leopard and Lion.

uh, my 3.5 year old imac will run lion just fine. You have to go back to mid 2006 to find an mac (except mac mini which is 2007) that isn't core 2 duo.


You just can't expect things to be supported with the latest OS forever. Components change, things progress!

 

[PatrickCocoa]

Ghost Killer

Well, there goes my still-perfectly-functional-and-used MacBook 2 GHz Core Duo.

Because when your neighbor installs Lion, his version will leap across to your house and kill your old MacBook?

 

[dethmaShine]

Nice to see Apple copying Windows' good ideas.

Lol. Windows idea? Seriously? OR you mean, it has been done already in windows, like Windows already with TRIM support?

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

Can't wait for:

13" MacBook Air w/ Sandy Bridge and Lion

This summer?

 

[saxon48]

Phew... my mid-2009 MBP Core 2 Duo barely made the cut it seems!

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

Recovery partitions are annoying, and needlessly tie up disk space. I've seen some of our faculty purchase Windows laptops where the available space was 30-40 percent smaller than the actual hard drive, all because of the stupid recovery partition. I'd rather have the DVDs.

TRIM... don't particularly care. I hope it doesn't mean they're moving to lower-quality SSDs though.

The one thing I care about regarding Lion is the rumored whole disk encryption - and that hasn't shown up yet. Hopefully that wasn't just something someone pulled out of their... hat.

Proof you can't please everyone lol. Oh no, 4gb of my 256gb or 500gb drive is gone. The humanity.

 

[PatrickCocoa]

Support for the Model-T

This means developers will need to make 3 versions of their software; PPC, Snow Leopard and Lion.

Are there many developer who support PPC anymore? For new applications I'm guessing 0% are PPC. For an established application with a user base, maybe 25% of developers still actively support PPC (again, a guess).

 

[Snowy_River]

Also, all Macs from the past 5 years meet this requirement.

Check your facts. The Mac Mini was shipping with Core Duos until the mid-2007 release, when it was updated to the Core 2 Duo. So, that will only be four years ago by the time Lion ships...

 

[PatrickCocoa]

Set in Stone

Well, that sucks - guess I'll skip Lion then.

The OS version after Lion will not support Rosetta either. So you're on Snow Leopard forever.

 

[NorCalLights]

Recovery partitions are annoying, and needlessly tie up disk space. I've seen some of our faculty purchase Windows laptops where the available space was 30-40 percent smaller than the actual hard drive, all because of the stupid recovery partition. I'd rather have the DVDs.

I like the thumb-drive solution that comes with the Macbook Airs. I'm have to assume that this will also be an option. With the move to SSD, I'm finding myself with less available storage to waist on an recovery partition.

 

[Speedy2]

Pretty pathetic that you would need an Intel Core 2 Duo or better to run it. This is Apple obviously wanting to sell more units. Shame. This is probably one of the contributing factors why my company is now phasing back to PC's.

This is not pathetic at all. Apparently Apple wants to support only computers with 64 Bit CPUs, which seems fair enough. Both Core Solo and Core Duo are 32 Bit. And really old, and not many of them were sold, so it's best to just get over it.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

Pretty pathetic that you would need an Intel Core 2 Duo or better to run it. This is Apple obviously wanting to sell more units. Shame. This is probably one of the contributing factors why my company is now phasing back to PC's.

Has this gone against anything Apple has done in the past? Why are you surprised by this in the least? Developing software for current hardware saves time and money. Time to move forward.

 

[dethmaShine]

Nice to see Apple copying Windows' good ideas.




LOL for all the posts claiming that TRIM wasn't needed.




Not pathetic - smart. All Lion systems will be x64 systems. Developers won't have to worry about the tiny fraction of Intel Apples that are x86-only.

If you look my history of posting, you'll see that I've said

• Apple should have skipped Yonah (Core and Core Duo) and waited for Merom (Core 2) several months later. I said this before the first Yonah systems were released.
• I said that Apple should have dropped x86 in Apple OSX 10.6 - and made that release x64-only.

32-bit is dead. Windows Server doesn't support 32-bit, and the next version of Windows client won't support 32-bit. Apple is doing everyone a favor by simplifying Lion.

Yes, it does..

I know windows does; but necessarily a windows idea.

 

[goinskiing]

I'm sure that will change come release time. (although I could see it not forcing people to buy BTO to get TRIM).

I bet at this stage that SSD manufacturers are working with Apple on getting TRIM to work with their devices on Lion.