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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive
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If the final release of Lion is like the DP, then a lot of the issues people are worried about can be avoided.
Just like with Snow Leopard, you can do a clean install of Lion without the previous version of OS X. The exact same procedure to do this with SL works with Lion.
The dmg from the MAS download can be extracted and burned to a DVD to use as an install disk. At least, this is possible with the DP so I don't see why it won't be possible with the final release.
Put those two things together and you can do a clean install from a DVD.
Hopefully an option is provided to more easily do a clean install or create a DVD.
Has OS X become a rolling release with major revisions requiring a reasonable fee? I think so and I think for most users this is better than the alternative. I personally prefer doing clean installs but I suspect most users do not.
Just like with Snow Leopard, you can do a clean install of Lion without the previous version of OS X. The exact same procedure to do this with SL works with Lion.
The dmg from the MAS download can be extracted and burned to a DVD to use as an install disk. At least, this is possible with the DP so I don't see why it won't be possible with the final release.
Put those two things together and you can do a clean install from a DVD.
Hopefully an option is provided to more easily do a clean install or create a DVD.
Has OS X become a rolling release with major revisions requiring a reasonable fee? I think so and I think for most users this is better than the alternative. I personally prefer doing clean installs but I suspect most users do not.
I have a feeling Apple will deal with big companies that have multipal installs like they have in the past. I think the DL is for personel use or those with small installs.
Let's say you do the clean install. What happens after OS 10.7 is installed? Do you have to sign up for the app store to authenticate?
You still gotta download it from the iCloud which goes back to the whole Comcast bandwidth issue.
Fullscreen a feature? I never use fullscreen (well except dvd player or vlc) but I just checked my Firefox and yep, it's there, checked my Photoshop, yep, it's there too. What's the dealio? Maybe I just don't use enough Apple software. I have always loved the idea of versioning so can't wait for that.
I've Been Waiting to Buy an iMac
This article states, "Customers who purchase a Mac between today and the Lion launch in July will get the upgrade free from the App Store."
What confirmation do you have of this MacRumors? Here is a chat with Apple from just a few minutes ago. Of course I got the standard company line:
You are chatting with Radeyah M, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Radeyah M. Welcome to Apple!
Greetings
Good evening! Welcome to the Apple Online store!
if I buy an iMac today, will I get the upgrade to Lion in July at no charge?
Hi there!
I'm happy to help with your question!
However, we have no information available on whether Lion will be offered discounted to customers purchasing a Mac today.
ok thanks... that delays purchase decisions, so I hope you get some info quickly
Even if it's not available as a free upgrade, it is being offered at a great price!
So upgrading wouldn't cost much.
sure, but it's a month away... thanks, but not interested in throwing $30 away
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This article states, "Customers who purchase a Mac between today and the Lion launch in July will get the upgrade free from the App Store."
What confirmation do you have of this MacRumors? Here is a chat with Apple from just a few minutes ago. Of course I got the standard company line:
You are chatting with Radeyah M, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Radeyah M. Welcome to Apple!
Greetings
Good evening! Welcome to the Apple Online store!
if I buy an iMac today, will I get the upgrade to Lion in July at no charge?
Hi there!
I'm happy to help with your question!
However, we have no information available on whether Lion will be offered discounted to customers purchasing a Mac today.
ok thanks... that delays purchase decisions, so I hope you get some info quickly
Even if it's not available as a free upgrade, it is being offered at a great price!
So upgrading wouldn't cost much.
sure, but it's a month away... thanks, but not interested in throwing $30 away
have a great night
Thanks!
You too!
Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. We appreciate your business. If you would like more help, please chat with us again.
Thank you for choosing the Apple Store. If you have any additional questions, please chat us again.
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Life gets bad if you must live from free library-Wifi and a Linux distro...
Only $30 for Lion?
Wow!
Windows 7 goes for well over $100. Of course Microsoft has to deal with a lot of piracy. That is part of malware problem too. The pirated versions of Windows often come from sites that add malware to the software downloaded. The large amount of piracy by Windows users spreads a lot of malware.
Wow!
Windows 7 goes for well over $100. Of course Microsoft has to deal with a lot of piracy. That is part of malware problem too. The pirated versions of Windows often come from sites that add malware to the software downloaded. The large amount of piracy by Windows users spreads a lot of malware.
Why do people continually forget about VAT when converting $ prices to £. USA prices are quoted without sales tax. At current rates $29.99 = £18.34 add on VAT at 20% and that comes to £22.07 meaning that Apple's quoted UK price of £20.90 is actually cheaper than the US price!!
the cloud does it automatically it puts it on all machines at the same time as the photos did in the keynote
Hehe, what? Perhaps tens of thousands of mom and pop stores still use physical media. You'd be hard pressed to find many small companies that still use them, and probably not a single medium to large company that still does. They are all pushing images out over their network. Just about everything can be downloaded from MS, Apple or Adobe these days, so there isn't much need for discs.
We'll see how Apple handles things with Lion, but I have no doubt they'll provide a solution. It's not a hugely pressing need to know right now as most companies have their budget set for the year, and Lion may not be a part of it. It certainly isn't going to be in ours unless funds are moved from elsewhere. I don't see anything in Lion that would warrant that.
No DVD = incredibly stupid.
Not everyone has a fast connection. And even on a fast connection, 4GB takes a long time to download. I have 20Mbps and its STILL faster for me to drive to the store and buy what I want then come home and install it from DVD than it is to download it.
Let's not forget the majority of the world has bandwidth caps. Plus, in the US now, more than half of all US connections are capped. In some places its not bad, like Comcast 250GB, but in some rural areas you have cable companies that love 5GB caps.
That goes back to what I said some time ago. Apple doesn't care about markets that aren't extremely profitable for them. Want their stuff but live in a market like that? Too bad for you.
Let's all hope that the method for extracting the DMG file and burning to DVD still works like it does in the developer preview. Especially with OS X's unstable nature and the frequent reinstalls it requires.
And why is Apple taking away my right of first sale? What if someone upgrades their current Mac to Lion then later sells it? Why can't they sell that copy of Lion with it? It will be tied to their account and they'll never be able to sell or transfer that copy.
Not everyone has a fast connection. And even on a fast connection, 4GB takes a long time to download. I have 20Mbps and its STILL faster for me to drive to the store and buy what I want then come home and install it from DVD than it is to download it.
Let's not forget the majority of the world has bandwidth caps. Plus, in the US now, more than half of all US connections are capped. In some places its not bad, like Comcast 250GB, but in some rural areas you have cable companies that love 5GB caps.
That goes back to what I said some time ago. Apple doesn't care about markets that aren't extremely profitable for them. Want their stuff but live in a market like that? Too bad for you.
Let's all hope that the method for extracting the DMG file and burning to DVD still works like it does in the developer preview. Especially with OS X's unstable nature and the frequent reinstalls it requires.
And why is Apple taking away my right of first sale? What if someone upgrades their current Mac to Lion then later sells it? Why can't they sell that copy of Lion with it? It will be tied to their account and they'll never be able to sell or transfer that copy.
iCloud still means multiple lenghty downloads
That sounds to me like you'd be downloading it for each machine. 5 machines at 4GB per machine = 20GB of download. Add to that point updates which have pretty much all been multiple hundreds of megabytes in size (again multiplied by the hypothetical 5 machines) and people with bandwidth caps are going to be PO'd.
That sounds to me like you'd be downloading it for each machine. 5 machines at 4GB per machine = 20GB of download. Add to that point updates which have pretty much all been multiple hundreds of megabytes in size (again multiplied by the hypothetical 5 machines) and people with bandwidth caps are going to be PO'd.
No recovery partition with new hard drives
That's fine and dandy so long as your hard drive doesn't crash and you lose your recovery partition. Or if you simply wish to replace your hard drive (yegads, do people actually do that in a world where Apple makes it damn near impossible to open their systems to get at the drive?) with a bigger/faster one a year or two down the road. Recovery partition will not exist on your new drive.
That's fine and dandy so long as your hard drive doesn't crash and you lose your recovery partition. Or if you simply wish to replace your hard drive (yegads, do people actually do that in a world where Apple makes it damn near impossible to open their systems to get at the drive?) with a bigger/faster one a year or two down the road. Recovery partition will not exist on your new drive.
Ditto no DVD
Like so many others, not having a DVD is problem, compounded by apparent fact that MobileMe closes down June 2012 and the Cloud thing then becomes mandatory to have what you had on mobileMe remain and it seems said Cloud is Lion only. This is problematic, Apple must believe the entire world has fast, reliable internet. Otherwise, didn't here a thing about the only Lion feature i'd read somewhere about and found interesting, better defragmentation for drives. I'm a person who uses the same commercial software I've been using for X years, a system upgrade is inevitably a bother at best, potentially more so without DVD.
Like so many others, not having a DVD is problem, compounded by apparent fact that MobileMe closes down June 2012 and the Cloud thing then becomes mandatory to have what you had on mobileMe remain and it seems said Cloud is Lion only. This is problematic, Apple must believe the entire world has fast, reliable internet. Otherwise, didn't here a thing about the only Lion feature i'd read somewhere about and found interesting, better defragmentation for drives. I'm a person who uses the same commercial software I've been using for X years, a system upgrade is inevitably a bother at best, potentially more so without DVD.
If there is no way to copy the update onto DVD/pen drive for multiple use, then i'm in trouble. Not only is our Internet here slow, it is crazy expensive - 4gb download will cost £370. Worse, last year I changed our whole office to macs. Including my personal machines, this is 9 downloads, so £3330 to my service provider and £20 to Apple for the update! If they sold it as physical media at £100 a shot, it would cost me £2400 less and the whole £900 would go to Apple. Instead, they're not even going to get my £20. There are probably over 200 macs here, out of a population of 3000, and they won't get a single update. There has got to be more to this than meets the eye, I can't believe it can be this awkward.