For god sake Apple, give us an OpenGL update!!! We've waited long enough and it's beyond stupid.
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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive
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Tell me what's wrong with the following statement:
Windows 7 now available! Vista required for upgrade/purchase.
I need the dmg file
I have the same question. I need the dmg file, so if I want to install from scratch I can do it Is there a way to get it from the App Store? Because I've notice that the program get installed and you don't get the copy in your HD for back-up.
I have the same question. I need the dmg file, so if I want to install from scratch I can do it Is there a way to get it from the App Store? Because I've notice that the program get installed and you don't get the copy in your HD for back-up.
Blown away!!!
I am blown away by the features and price of Lion. Way to go Apple, you never cease to amaze me!!!!!!
I am blown away by the features and price of Lion. Way to go Apple, you never cease to amaze me!!!!!!
I already hacked my macbook in order to enable TRIM. Removing a recovery partition won't be much of a stretch.
I do find it funny that I have to do this kind of hacking on my Apple Macbook whereas my Hackintosh is running great on a vanilla OS X.
Anyway, binary kext patching and partition removal is probably totally easy in Lion - two new features right there
I do find it funny that I have to do this kind of hacking on my Apple Macbook whereas my Hackintosh is running great on a vanilla OS X.
Anyway, binary kext patching and partition removal is probably totally easy in Lion - two new features right there
Vista is not required to purchase a Windows 7 DVD. You can install on bare metal, or do a clean install over DOS or Windows 3.1.
To upgrade (that is, convert a system to Windows 7 and preserve applications and all user files on the system partition) requires that one starts with Vista.
Ditto.
When you go on vacation you get to bring along your 15mbps cable connection with you? Even on a beach? Or on a bus? Or when driving across the country? Really? How is that working out for you? Does a helicopter hover over you to provide you with that real time cable drop?
you know what's coming next
At least they didn't force you to buy an updated Time Capsule in order to download 10.7 from the cloud!
...yet.
At least they didn't force you to buy an updated Time Capsule in order to download 10.7 from the cloud!
...yet.
I love the price point ... I would have waited until the release of Lion to buy an iMac if it were the rumored $79 or $129, now I'm all set to order once the education store incentive is in play.
I'm not to fond of the download either. I like having it on a physical disk so if I ever need it I know I have it.
But since I have a good download speed I'm not worried about it taking forever.
But since I have a good download speed I'm not worried about it taking forever.
same, if it was $129 i wouldn't bother. really only reason on 10.6 was the $29 deal, otherwise i was happy with Leopard.
Since both OSX versions together will cost 50% of the Win7 upgrade price and offer 2x or more the new features, it sounds completely irrelevant to me...
Why in the world would you torrent instead of App Store? I understand those who want physical media, but torrenting this has only one purpose: getting it (illegally) free.
jW
This is fine for home users but what about business users? Does this mean that every system has to be logged into a single itunes account? What about when individual users want to access their own itunes accounts? Can a machine have apps authorized to one account and music authorized to a different account? Also, can apps be authorized without the account being logged in? We wouldn't want all the users having access to the ability to download paid apps from the app store.
Hope these questions are made clear. There is a lot of places that Apple IDs are used now. Apple has to make it clear how they can be used and how multiple users can access one machine with them.
Hope these questions are made clear. There is a lot of places that Apple IDs are used now. Apple has to make it clear how they can be used and how multiple users can access one machine with them.
I agree with many who dislike the idea of an online only distribution model of Lion. The problems may be summarized as follows:
Bandwidth Caps / Low-Speed Internet Service
Problem:
Insufficient bandwidth or capped usage make downloading 4GB of data from the Mac App store very inconvenient, if not impractical in certain cases.
Proposed Solution:
Download at a public library or the Apple Store.
Persistent Problem:
--Many Apple Stores are not located near the residences of Mac users.
--Many public libraries have limited connection speeds.
--It is a tremendous inconvenience to transport desktop Macs (Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro) to such locations.
Distributing Lion through the App Store
Problem:
Not everyone wants their personal information and credit card information stored by Apple. Various reasons include: privacy and protection from the ability of hackers to steal personal information. Even my brother who just purchased an iPhone asked me how to set up an iTunes account without using a credit card because he does not want anyone retaining that information. I agree.
Proposed Solution:
Use an iTunes prepaid gift card for the exact amount to purchase Lion.
Problem:
The distribution of Lion through the App Store requires users to already have Snow Leopard installed.
Proposed Solution:
At this point, the only known solution is to purchase Snow Leopard; however, this bodes ill for Apple.
Persistent Problem:
Users should not have to upgrade the OS with every iteration of OS X. There should be nothing to prevent a user who sees no personal value in Snow Leopard from skipping an upgrade to 10.6 and upgrading from 10.5 to 10.7 if a new feature seems worthwhile to him/her. To force users to have the previous OS in order to upgrade to the next OS without skipping an OS is ultimately a subscription model.
Future Indicators:
The distribution model of Lion really paves the way for several realities:
1) Apple will be eliminating the Optical Disc Drive.
2) Apple will be charging less for OSes but requiring the purchase of each in order to continue to upgrade. This allows Apple to assure developers of a minimum installed base for applications that take advantage of the latest Apple technology and OS features.
3) Apple appears to be locking in its software distribution through the App Store. It is another step to encouraging ALL developers to use the App Store as their primary means of distribution.
4) The App Store appears to be a way to minimize piracy. It appears that Apple allows you to install Lion on all of your personal computers, which I take to mean all of the computers linked to your iTunes account. If so, what does this mean for those who would sell their computer to another user? How does the other user install the OS, if needed?
(Re)Installation from a Bare Drive
Problem:
The single greatest practical problem with Lion involves the (re)installation of Lion on a hard drive after the failure of a hard drive. Installing Lion, even as a clean install, is not a big deal with a functioning hard drive, since Lion should be able to perform a clean install from Snow Leopard. The problem is how to install Lion from a blank hard drive without physical media.
Proposed Solution:
Right now there is too little information to know how Apple plans to handle such an occurrence, especially if hard drives remain user serviceable. It may be that Apple is planning to have a separate boot drive on their computers, but this does nothing for existing Macs. It is unknown if it will be possible to create a boot disc/drive with image of Lion for installation and whether a redownload will be required, but this needs to be addressed by Apple sooner than later. It is possible Apple will use this issue to try to convince people to purchase a Time Capsule, but this is not a solution, only an upsell. As is noted by a previous poster ...
Bandwidth Caps / Low-Speed Internet Service
Problem:
Insufficient bandwidth or capped usage make downloading 4GB of data from the Mac App store very inconvenient, if not impractical in certain cases.
Proposed Solution:
Download at a public library or the Apple Store.
Persistent Problem:
--Many Apple Stores are not located near the residences of Mac users.
--Many public libraries have limited connection speeds.
--It is a tremendous inconvenience to transport desktop Macs (Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro) to such locations.
Distributing Lion through the App Store
Problem:
Not everyone wants their personal information and credit card information stored by Apple. Various reasons include: privacy and protection from the ability of hackers to steal personal information. Even my brother who just purchased an iPhone asked me how to set up an iTunes account without using a credit card because he does not want anyone retaining that information. I agree.
Proposed Solution:
Use an iTunes prepaid gift card for the exact amount to purchase Lion.
Problem:
The distribution of Lion through the App Store requires users to already have Snow Leopard installed.
Proposed Solution:
At this point, the only known solution is to purchase Snow Leopard; however, this bodes ill for Apple.
Persistent Problem:
Users should not have to upgrade the OS with every iteration of OS X. There should be nothing to prevent a user who sees no personal value in Snow Leopard from skipping an upgrade to 10.6 and upgrading from 10.5 to 10.7 if a new feature seems worthwhile to him/her. To force users to have the previous OS in order to upgrade to the next OS without skipping an OS is ultimately a subscription model.
Future Indicators:
The distribution model of Lion really paves the way for several realities:
1) Apple will be eliminating the Optical Disc Drive.
2) Apple will be charging less for OSes but requiring the purchase of each in order to continue to upgrade. This allows Apple to assure developers of a minimum installed base for applications that take advantage of the latest Apple technology and OS features.
3) Apple appears to be locking in its software distribution through the App Store. It is another step to encouraging ALL developers to use the App Store as their primary means of distribution.
4) The App Store appears to be a way to minimize piracy. It appears that Apple allows you to install Lion on all of your personal computers, which I take to mean all of the computers linked to your iTunes account. If so, what does this mean for those who would sell their computer to another user? How does the other user install the OS, if needed?
(Re)Installation from a Bare Drive
Problem:
The single greatest practical problem with Lion involves the (re)installation of Lion on a hard drive after the failure of a hard drive. Installing Lion, even as a clean install, is not a big deal with a functioning hard drive, since Lion should be able to perform a clean install from Snow Leopard. The problem is how to install Lion from a blank hard drive without physical media.
Proposed Solution:
Right now there is too little information to know how Apple plans to handle such an occurrence, especially if hard drives remain user serviceable. It may be that Apple is planning to have a separate boot drive on their computers, but this does nothing for existing Macs. It is unknown if it will be possible to create a boot disc/drive with image of Lion for installation and whether a redownload will be required, but this needs to be addressed by Apple sooner than later. It is possible Apple will use this issue to try to convince people to purchase a Time Capsule, but this is not a solution, only an upsell. As is noted by a previous poster ...
Here's what I am thinking...
- Wow, there's a lot of complaining here for a $30 upgrade.
- Do you all really think Apple did not think about common use cases like a clean install and when a hard drive fails. Honestly. I don't know what the plan is, and I guess there's a small chance Apple has made it excessively inconvenient, but why is everyone assuming these things won't work?
- I love resume, auto-save, and versions. Been doing these things manually for decades (with some exceptions -- hate MS all you want but Office has had what I call autoavedmya** for a long time). It's about time these have become OS-level capabilities is OSX.
- watched the keynote... Could Phil schiller make it any more obvious that Apple will be releasing touch screen Macs in the near future? As he's demoing Mission Control and the lauch thingy, he keeps saying "tap" this and "tap" that rather than "click". Also, a lot of that stuff makes more sense on a touch screen than it does with a trackpad.
- Am I the only one that is happy to see scroll bars go away except when you're actually using them? I never liked them. (I think they are righty-centric.)
I always tap instead of click on my trackpad. You may be right or he may just be used to tapping.
Airdrop looks very useful, but if the other person's machine isn't turned on at the moment, will my machine remember the transfer and automatically send it once both machine come on? Or maybe my machine won't even remember the other machine in the first place.
Sucks to be us.
Weyulp… looks like this will be the first mac os I pirate… oh darn.
p.s. I am one of the biggest apple fan boys around. This is too much. Society cannot and should not RELY this heavily on the Internet. I now am OFFICIALLY required by the very head of the technologic revolution to subscribe to high speed internet (soon to be capped and tiered) in order to own a usable computer, and to purchase high cost, low quality phone and data service to own a smart phone. bullsh.
Weyulp… looks like this will be the first mac os I pirate… oh darn.
p.s. I am one of the biggest apple fan boys around. This is too much. Society cannot and should not RELY this heavily on the Internet. I now am OFFICIALLY required by the very head of the technologic revolution to subscribe to high speed internet (soon to be capped and tiered) in order to own a usable computer, and to purchase high cost, low quality phone and data service to own a smart phone. bullsh.
While I recognize that OSX has a set of cool new featurs, I didnt see anything that required 64bit computing. I think Apple is making a huge mistake leaving people with Intel Core out of the equation.
As far as the deployment of Lion for business, I think Apple is going to have it in hard media as well.
I really wish I could bump myself to Lion, but buying a new Mac, just to run this update is a bit too much considering I've been out of a job for 6 months... not that this is apple's fault...
I just dont see any of the technical requirements for 64bit to force the macs to be core 2 duo... =(
As far as the deployment of Lion for business, I think Apple is going to have it in hard media as well.
I really wish I could bump myself to Lion, but buying a new Mac, just to run this update is a bit too much considering I've been out of a job for 6 months...
not that this is apple's fault...I just dont see any of the technical requirements for 64bit to force the macs to be core 2 duo... =(