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I think you'll find that even the first developer previews won't be feature complete
I think you'll find that even the first developer previews won't be feature complete
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Mac OS X Lion Set for Summer 2011 Debut, Mac App Store to Launch Within 90 Days
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I wasn't blown over by the UI extensions, but what is all this talk about a point point release?
The demo was a teaser.
I look forward to the meat. There will be plenty to feed us all.
The demo was a teaser.
I look forward to the meat. There will be plenty to feed us all.
I'm hoping XCode 4 and full C++ support in Clang will be ready by 10.7's release.
Microsoft lied when they said Windows Phone 7 will blow my mind or that Vista is teh best thing Evar!!!!
Businessmen follow the money, not their tongue. Circumstances change.
For a supposedly software developer/engineer you sure are acting irrational and illogical.
Me so sad. Bye-bye!
Keeping on topic the App Store is a great idea, I'm glad it's coming. For people like my mother (who just bought her first iMac and is LOVING it), finding (a big issue especially for those new to Mac) and buying all her apps through an app store pretty much guarantees the machine will work well for her for years.
I'm happy with what we've seen so far which is, basically, tighter integration between hardware and software.
For me, the windows in MacOS have always felt loose and the wallpaper background very rigid and stiff. In Lion, apps become full screen if you want (note: APPS become full screen, not WINDOWS. Menu bars and the like disappear, leaving only the App iOS-style) and the desktop can be swiped left and right, making it appear to have a function and not just a picture in the background to make the screen look less dull (as it currently is).
Lion will obviously have a very dark/black UI, making it fit hand-in-hand with the hardware design (black keys, black bezel, black hinge, silver body) of the last couple of years. This will give the impression that they are the most solid MacBooks Apple have made, which you can see already in the shot of full-screen iPhoto here: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html. The screen disappears.
For me, the windows in MacOS have always felt loose and the wallpaper background very rigid and stiff. In Lion, apps become full screen if you want (note: APPS become full screen, not WINDOWS. Menu bars and the like disappear, leaving only the App iOS-style) and the desktop can be swiped left and right, making it appear to have a function and not just a picture in the background to make the screen look less dull (as it currently is).
Lion will obviously have a very dark/black UI, making it fit hand-in-hand with the hardware design (black keys, black bezel, black hinge, silver body) of the last couple of years. This will give the impression that they are the most solid MacBooks Apple have made, which you can see already in the shot of full-screen iPhoto here: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html. The screen disappears.
I think that this is all to do with the amount of screen real estate you're working in. Using the traditional OS X approach to resizing windows works on an iMac screen, but probably gets pretty cramped when you go all the way down to the new 11" screen on the MBA. When you're working in smaller spaces it makes sense to have a method of popping into full screen. If they can improve the way you transition between those screens (which Mission Impossible/Control is supposed to do) then you're getting somewhere. I'm okay with that. If it's a good idea who cares if it's something MS do or not? (Probably hundreds of people actually).
Also, another point on the new App Launcher. This means changes for the Dock and the Applications Folder etc. They can't have the same functionality on both. What would be the point?
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This completely absurd notion comes from the same panicked mindset that permeates the tech illiterate media of both traditional and modern varieties. Let's think this through to its logical conclusion... If that were to happen, how would anyone develop new apps for iOS? With an expensive $10k development workstation like you used to have to buy for console development? If that were in the pipeline, why did Apple just drop their more expensive Apple Developer Connection in favor of the new $100/yr Mac Developer Program that's priced the same as their iOS Developer Program? Does anyone seriously believe the Xcode IDE & all its supporting tools & libraries will get ported to an iOS workstation that doesn't have a Terminal or Finder? How will they develop these new workstations? On secret "old school" OS X workstations hidden deep in the Apple bunkers in Cupertino, surrounded by barbed wire next to the concentration camps where they've imprisoned all the enemy operatives that tried to sell Snow Leopard on the black market (eBay & Craiglist)...?
That's as absurd as suggesting that Google is going to do away with their multi platform dev kit in favor of a special Google branded ChromeOS or Android workstation so the only way anyone can develop Android apps is from within their own silo of products. Where do these ideas come from? Are there special Microsoft FUD operatives lurking on the tech message boards & playing funkspiel in order to fsck with people & scare them in to the waiting arms of Steve Ballmer?
I remember years ago when Microsoft was trying to hire Linux experts to attend trade shows, evangelize Microsoft products, & basically spy on public UNIX events. But why? So they could call in air raids from the Redmond Luftwaffe when traditional skullduggery & thuggery were ineffectual? I'm sure that somewhere in the years since then that they've turned their efforts on anyone else that encroaches on their DMZ.
Here's my funkspiel du jour; what will become of the evil, traitorous Steam marketplace for OS X? Will it distract Mac devs from developing more OS X & iOS marketplace apps? Apple will be forced to hire a team of Microsoft insurgents to send to neighboring Bellevue, WA. They will track & exterminate the clan of commando Mac devs at Valve that live in a life sized reconstruction of the middle eastern village from the de_dust map in Counter Strike. Their infidel bodies will be dragged through the public square & their heads put on pikes near the main Apple campus at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino as an example for all who dare cross the almighty turtlenecked messiah.
-Gary
Mochi Hana said:
This completely absurd notion comes from the same panicked mindset that permeates the tech illiterate media of both traditional and modern varieties. Let's think this through to its logical conclusion... If that were to happen, how would anyone develop new apps for iOS? With an expensive $10k development workstation like you used to have to buy for console development? If that were in the pipeline, why did Apple just drop their more expensive Apple Developer Connection in favor of the new $100/yr Mac Developer Program that's priced the same as their iOS Developer Program? Does anyone seriously believe the Xcode IDE & all its supporting tools & libraries will get ported to an iOS workstation that doesn't have a Terminal or Finder? How will they develop these new workstations? On secret "old school" OS X workstations hidden deep in the Apple bunkers in Cupertino, surrounded by barbed wire next to the concentration camps where they've imprisoned all the enemy operatives that tried to sell Snow Leopard on the black market (eBay & Craiglist)...?
That's as absurd as suggesting that Google is going to do away with their multi platform dev kit in favor of a special Google branded ChromeOS or Android workstation so the only way anyone can develop Android apps is from within their own silo of products. Where do these ideas come from? Are there special Microsoft FUD operatives lurking on the tech message boards & playing funkspiel in order to fsck with people & scare them in to the waiting arms of Steve Ballmer?
I remember years ago when Microsoft was trying to hire Linux experts to attend trade shows, evangelize Microsoft products, & basically spy on public UNIX events. But why? So they could call in air raids from the Redmond Luftwaffe when traditional skullduggery & thuggery were ineffectual? I'm sure that somewhere in the years since then that they've turned their efforts on anyone else that encroaches on their DMZ.
Here's my funkspiel du jour; what will become of the evil, traitorous Steam marketplace for OS X? Will it distract Mac devs from developing more OS X & iOS marketplace apps? Apple will be forced to hire a team of Microsoft insurgents to send to neighboring Bellevue, WA. They will track & exterminate the clan of commando Mac devs at Valve that live in a life sized reconstruction of the middle eastern village from the de_dust map in Counter Strike. Their infidel bodies will be dragged through the public square & their heads put on pikes near the main Apple campus at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino as an example for all who dare cross the almighty turtlenecked messiah.
-Gary
i don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Mission Control's interface looks similar to that apple '3D' patent reported (a few months ago).
I wonder if apple would even approve a third party developer who creates a blu-Ray player program?
No mention of blu-Ray support for mac osx. lion
Pretty sad how apple is intentionally sticking it's head in the sand on this new tech
No mention of blu-Ray support for mac osx. lion
Pretty sad how apple is intentionally sticking it's head in the sand on this new tech
What are you talking about??!! MacBook Air is better than the older one, it is an ultralight notebook. Mac App Store is a fantastic thing for installing normal software and for new users: it is NOT the only way to install software and it is NOT controlled. We only see a preview of Lion, not all the picture and mission control is awesome for example. Not scary, you are scared.
Why I like the App Store?
It will be easier to buy games and software.
Most of Mac software come from online.
No Paypal or credit card.
iTunes accounts is the way to go.
Buying the Gift Cards is easy and safe.
This is great. My experience of buying Bubble Trouble from Ambrosia
was not great. Paypal account just to do it.
I like the App Store.
Lion better have way more features.
It will be easier to buy games and software.
Most of Mac software come from online.
No Paypal or credit card.
iTunes accounts is the way to go.
Buying the Gift Cards is easy and safe.
This is great. My experience of buying Bubble Trouble from Ambrosia
was not great. Paypal account just to do it.
I like the App Store.
Lion better have way more features.
App store for MacOS is great. Come on, for the non-Geek day to day Normalos it is fantastic to have a one stop place where you can shop for your apps. It is already very convenient on OS and for sure it will put also a lot of MacOS developers on the map - their software gets noticed, which will lead to more programs for us end users.
As for me, I like it, that I don't have to spread my credit card details all around the web if I want to buy some small software enhancements for my system
As for me, I like it, that I don't have to spread my credit card details all around the web if I want to buy some small software enhancements for my system
I watched the event and frankly, not all that excited. As a Launchbar user, I don't see anything in Launchpad that I can't already do better. As a trackball user, I don't see how gestures would help me. Did you see how he struggled during the demo with all the swiping? Full screen has potential, but there are times when I want to view two windows from different programs at the same time. Will that no longer be possible? PSE with full screen drives me nuts sometimes. No update for iWeb or iDVD? Why not just drop them from iLife completely and get it over with it? I guess the Mac App store does have one advantage, I only have to buy iPhoto (the only iLife application I use regularly) instead of the bundle.
Hate to be so negative here, and I realize it was just a sneak peak, can someone point out to me something positive that I missed?
Hate to be so negative here, and I realize it was just a sneak peak, can someone point out to me something positive that I missed?
To all those whining about the mac app store:
Dont use it.
If it doesnt prove popular then devs will just release like they normally do. But we know it will be popular and the nay sayers will be first to sing its praises.
Someone dig out the "Ipod will fail" thread
Dont use it.
If it doesnt prove popular then devs will just release like they normally do. But we know it will be popular and the nay sayers will be first to sing its praises.
Someone dig out the "Ipod will fail" thread
OSX Lion.... Finder....
Did anyone notice how there was not one visible icon on the traditional desktop, IE: Macintosh HD, and not even one finder window??
These new OS interface changes are pretty interesting, and might catch on better than spaces or exposé, but do you guys think this is a clue that the basic constructs of the MacOS interface (the Finder) are going to eventually be a thing of the past? The idea of this is kinda scary. Adding these new features is fine, but replacing the finder with them, is not good at all (IMHO).
Did anyone notice how there was not one visible icon on the traditional desktop, IE: Macintosh HD, and not even one finder window??
These new OS interface changes are pretty interesting, and might catch on better than spaces or exposé, but do you guys think this is a clue that the basic constructs of the MacOS interface (the Finder) are going to eventually be a thing of the past? The idea of this is kinda scary. Adding these new features is fine, but replacing the finder with them, is not good at all (IMHO).
As they should be, because making personal attacks doesn't add to the discussion don't you agree ?
Not what I meant. Apple is sitting on a pile of cash + had 4 years of development time. Yes I feel they're getting lazy on Mac OSX, and reading in these forums, I am not the only one. They don't have to "make all of our dreams come true", i feel that's a ridiculous thing to say. However, we are paying them (dearly) for the integrated philosophy, which means we ought to expect some advances on the OS side not only the hardware side (which they're designing quite well). So to some extent I feel they owe us more advances on the OS (e.g. ZFS/Resolutions independence/GUI unification)
I believe you're exaggerating, but anyway, Ubuntu is not the only distro now is it ?
Criticism is ok (even necessary) as long as it is based on arguments.
Have been using several Macs as main development machine for 8 years. Stop calling people trolls because you don't like their feedback. I suggest you step out of the Apple distortion field.
Please read again. If you read correctly you see that I was talking about having to jailbreak the OS to get full access to our computing systems (they're used for production, not entertainment). Of course this is not yet the case, but then again, I didn't imply that.
When something is in fact "overwhelmingly positive" people will come out and say it, that's the way of life. When it's not, they will complain. Get over it.That's the spirit! Wish they were more like you here, because when something is overwhelmingly positive you manage to come out and say it, a rare thing it seems these days.
Yup. Apple has added yet ANOTHER interface style to an OS already bloated with a dozen others all mismashed together and held together with duct tape.
Considering how UN-initituive a lot of iOS is and that the Mac is founded on being SIMPLE to use - this doesn't bode well for the future.
The original Mac OS interface designers must cringe everytime a new release is announced.
App Store for OSX, what a "Surprise"
Actually I do not really care that it exists, as long as I keep full control over my machine and can install whatever I want, but I am VERY pessimistic on that, I guess with 10.8 it will be mandatory and latest then - Bye Bye Apple.
Actually I do not really care that it exists, as long as I keep full control over my machine and can install whatever I want, but I am VERY pessimistic on that, I guess with 10.8 it will be mandatory and latest then - Bye Bye Apple.
Yup. Apple has added yet ANOTHER interface style to an OS already bloated with a dozen others all mismashed together and held together with duct tape.
Considering how UN-initituive a lot of iOS is and that the Mac is founded on being SIMPLE to use - this doesn't bode well for the future.
The original Mac OS interface designers must cringe everytime a new release is announced.
Yeah that's false. There's nothing to imply that you couldn't organize windows exactly how you do on Snow Leopard.
Anyone that believes that Apple will make the app store mandatory is just making asinine assumptions.....
LaunchPad will be a killer feature for switchers. I know that spotlight is by far the most efficient way of starting an app on Mac OS X, but when you come from Windows it takes some time to realize that the keyboard is the main input on Mac OS X.
App Store is a great thing too. Soon, legal apps will be found as easily as cracked ones. if the prices go down as well (not at iOS level of course), I'm sure the cracked/legal apps ratio will go down on a lot of mac. MacUpdate won't like it though, and Bodega even less.
What was very interesting is the things SJ didn't talk about. Autosave ? Seriously? I am dreaming aloud here but I can imagine a Mac where we don't have to worry anymore about how we name our files and in which folders we put them, a bit like apps such as Papers or Leap, but coupled with "dropbox-killing" features to ensure backup and accessibility everywhere.
App Store is a great thing too. Soon, legal apps will be found as easily as cracked ones. if the prices go down as well (not at iOS level of course), I'm sure the cracked/legal apps ratio will go down on a lot of mac. MacUpdate won't like it though, and Bodega even less.
What was very interesting is the things SJ didn't talk about. Autosave ? Seriously? I am dreaming aloud here but I can imagine a Mac where we don't have to worry anymore about how we name our files and in which folders we put them, a bit like apps such as Papers or Leap, but coupled with "dropbox-killing" features to ensure backup and accessibility everywhere.