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I second your post, word for word.

No, Snnow Leopard turned me away. At least Lion has new features ._.

And really, Snow Leopard just took extra RAM. That's all it did. Fail :mad:

Lion has features that are not yet announced or apparent. Don't get mad about launch and whatever unless it's the ONLY new feature...
 
No, Snnow Leopard turned me away. At least Lion has new features ._.

And really, Snow Leopard just took extra RAM. That's all it did. Fail :mad:

Lion has features that are not yet announced or apparent. Don't get mad about launch and whatever unless it's the ONLY new feature...

I doubt they announced the biggest features yet, they didn't even go into UI. they don't want MS or anyone else to take ideas...they have yet to bring out the big guns :apple:
 
Yikes, this sure is the negativity hotspot on the web.

If Apple is to stay innovative doesn't that mean still taking risks, and trying new things? Why the hell does everyone raise their hands up and say "they should leave it how it is. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh." ?
Amazing.
 
Yikes, this sure is the negativity hotspot on the web.

If Apple is to stay innovative doesn't that mean still taking risks, and trying new things? Why the hell does everyone raise their hands up and say "they should leave it how it is. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh." ?
Amazing.

Apple users like change when it lives up apple's brand and stated philosophy: If you don't need it or it's not good enough, don't put it in. Design for the better not for the sake of design. Those think different posters had einstein on them, not Brittany Spears.

The desktop has been completely left behind and there is still plenty of room for innovation and metamorphosis. This isn't innovation. It's tacky cheap profit oriented half baked ideas tacked onto an OS which hasn't seen real change in quite a while.

Essentially apple is saying to anyone who creates rather than consumes media and technology that they are no longer apple's priority.
 
I like how Apple and Apple users constantly bash maximizing windows, but now OS X Lion will basically do just that with fullscreen mode in all applications.



I guess since Steve invented it then it's okay.
 
I like how Apple and Apple users constantly bash maximizing windows, but now OS X Lion will basically do just that with fullscreen mode in all applications.



I guess since Steve invented it then it's okay.

Fullscreen apps ≠ maximizing. Maximizing is stupid because it makes the window huge regardless of whether it needs to be. FS has a GUI designed to use the screen space.
 
Yikes, this sure is the negativity hotspot on the web.

If Apple is to stay innovative doesn't that mean still taking risks, and trying new things? Why the hell does everyone raise their hands up and say "they should leave it how it is. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh." ?
Amazing.

This is why Apple doesn't do focus groups. If they listened to the unimaginative people on this forum (or in general), we'd still be using punch cards.
 
That's like saying the iOS Springboard is useless since there's spotlight.

Not really... on iOS devices spotlight the launchpad is on everypage right in front of the user.

In Lion the launchpad is a mouse click away... whereas spotlight is a key command away, thus decreasing launch time.

Launchpad requires the user to open the feature then browse for the app, spotlight requires the user to hit the key command (cmd+space) and type the first few letters of the app and hit enter, much quicker in my opinion.

That said i do like the launch pad feature at this point in time.
 
Underwhelmed also

Quite an underwhelming introduction I thought. No "mindblowing" features such as Time Machine, a pity since they've had 4 years+ to work on new features since leopard.
The features they did introduce look useful though.
Perhaps there are a few "mindblowing" features that will be introduced at another keynote closer to launch. Has apple done that before, kept the best features secret until later?

In Leopard they kept indicating that had kept some good things hidden, but I don't remember that any ever appeared. Ao it seems to be a no go to me.
 
No Jimmy you are wrong. That's not the full screen apple are talking about, you can already do that in os x software. They are talking about a paradigm shift here where the app not only takes the full uncluttered view of your screen, but where you can flick through full screens with simple gestures without maximizing or minimizing or entering or exiting full screen views, and you can view full screens in an expose type of interface too, and where programs running on full screen can seamlessly merge with not only other applications but with the desktop interface itself. And guess what, you just have to flick through them. It's that simple.

That's actually really cool - better than what I imagined and better than windows' implementation. Right now OS X can't really maximize windows in any efficient way - position the window and then drag to maximize. I hate that.
 
No, Snnow Leopard turned me away. At least Lion has new features ._.

And really, Snow Leopard just took extra RAM. That's all it did. Fail :mad:

Lion has features that are not yet announced or apparent. Don't get mad about launch and whatever unless it's the ONLY new feature...

Because, you know. Major changes to the development environment aren't changes.

I for one will be buying Lion. While I do genuinely like the UI features released so far, I want Apple to know that yes, if you do improve Mac OSX, you will get money.
 
Full screen mode, good or bad, its too soon to know

I like how Apple and Apple users constantly bash maximizing windows, but now OS X Lion will basically do just that with fullscreen mode in all applications.

I guess since Steve invented it then it's okay.


If full screen would allow me to regain some of the space that MS will waste in Excel 2011 then I'll use it. But most of the time I only expand some of my Windows to max height & more limited width. At the present time I use 3 30" screens, a 47" one for customers to see & a 28" one that is used for both me & the customer. Very seldom do I have less the 2 displays on & much of the time I am using all 5.

Just how this will work with multi screens or like when I am using Excel I may have 10 or more windows open that I need to work with for one customer. We'll see how this will work for me. As with all of the other new items only time will tell if they prove to be useful for me or for others. For the item to be useful for the Mac community doesn't mean that it must be useful for me. It just is nicer when it is.
 
Punch card for Micros

This is why Apple doesn't do focus groups. If they listened to the unimaginative people on this forum (or in general), we'd still be using punch cards.

Probably not as my SP/M HeathKit did not use punch cards. Maybe the Apple I or Apple II did. I just don't remember them doing that. Apple's disk size was always behind the time.
 
10.7 on the first day just use it latter

Because, you know. Major changes to the development environment aren't changes.

I for one will be buying Lion. While I do genuinely like the UI features released so far, I want Apple to know that yes, if you do improve Mac OSX, you will get money.

I like many here will purchase Mac OS 107 the first day it comes out as I have in the past. But like the last 2 updates I waited for a couple of updates before I started using it. In fact OS 10.6 has only been used on a satisfying daily basis within the past week or maybe 2. Part of the reason for the change was the purchase of my new Intel MacBook Pro back in April of this year. I've had my copy of 10.6 on one of my 4 internal drives in my Intel Mac Pro. Most use only lasted a day or 2 at most. Apple needs our upgrade money. They are so poor.
 
I like many here will purchase Mac OS 107 the first day it comes out as I have in the past. But like the last 2 updates I waited for a couple of updates before I started using it. In fact OS 10.6 has only been used on a satisfying daily basis within the past week or maybe 2. Part of the reason for the change was the purchase of my new Intel MacBook Pro back in April of this year. I've had my copy of 10.6 on one of my 4 internal drives in my Intel Mac Pro. Most use only lasted a day or 2 at most. Apple needs our upgrade money. They are so poor.

Thats some very subtle sarcasm or you don't understand the term "Vote with your wallet".
 
Besides the point that most Mac customers that would have trouble finding the Applications folder will probably only ever use the applications that are already on the dock with you first install/create a user. Even iWorks and Office put icons on the dock.

The short of it: if you can't find the Applications folder, I don't think the interface is the problem.

Fair comment Pir8Bob. On a Mac there is enough screen real estate to store a beginner user's apps in the Dock. That does arguably render the new Launch Pad redundant.

I think I see what Apple is trying to do. While I find the Mac a heck of a lot more intuitive and logical than Windows, I still see people who struggle with the complexity of it, in a way they don't with iOS. It has long been the Apple way to make things as simple for new users as possible, while not getting in the way of experienced users.

Does anyone else remember the 'Simple Finder' from Mac OS 9 vintage? Oh, I just Googled it and discovered that something called 'Simple Finder' still exists in OS X. How had I not noticed that?!

I'm not excited about a Mac App store. I don't think Microsoft or Adobe are going to buy giving 30% of their software sales to Apple (or any other worthwhile developer). While a phone app can sell for $2.99, software I usually buy for my computer runs a little pricier. I think all we're going to see on this Apple app store are developers who don't want to bother putting up a website to sell their product. I don't expect anything of quality to sell through this app store (except Apple's software--they like to jump on their own bandwagon more than anyone).

Again, you make a good point. Adobe isn't going to give 30% of CS sales to Apple. Perhaps the Mac platform would have been better served with some kind of sliding scale, where a $3 app attracts a 30% fee, and a $1000 app 5% or something.

I don't see a market for cheap programs on a computer platform. Not while Flash games are around. And I'm not going to start buying $3.99 programs for my desktop when there's already free options abounding.

There already is a market, but it depends on what you call 'cheap' I guess. I would call $30 relatively cheap, because I remember the day when half decent apps cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars. I have plenty of very useful and relatively cheap apps, typically downloaded from VersionTracker or MacUpdate.

Will Apple's app store push software prices down even more? Developers can only justify cheaper prices when there is substantial volume, and this is what we've seen with iOS. With Mac market share increasing, and a new simple way to purchase and install apps, perhaps the volume will be there on the Mac too?

However, for every success story where a developer has sold a million copies of their $1 app, there's bound to be hundreds who lose out. And some apps will always have a niche market, and therefore require a higher price. The Mac as a platform would be well served to avoid a situation where developers give up writing quality niche apps, and turn their thoughts to five-minute-amusement titles.
 
Originally Posted by patseguin
So the next major OS release features an app store? Why would they need a new OS for that? It sounds just like something they could release, like iTunes.I sure hope Apple has more up their sleeves for Lion than that.

Agree, this could easily have been put in a point release or just released as a download.

appstore_release20101020.jpg


I know I'm a little late to this reply, but I would like to point out that the title of this discussion says "Mac OS X Lion Set for Summer 2011 Debut, Mac App Store to Launch Within 90 Days"

Steve Jobs said that the Mac App Store would be available for Snow Leopard as a download from apple.com.

if you guys have any more question,
http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
 
Seriously, this is all they could say about Lion?

A bran new screen with icons on it to launch apps? I don't know, I can already do that from my desktop or my dock, and create folders, rename them, organize the icons the way I like... Oh and to get there, I don't first have to activate a full screen interface that makes it feel like we're not multi tasking anymore.

Mission Control? I don't know, but it just looks awfully messy to me. A screen with categories for the kinds of apps running, including dashboard. I don't want to look for Dashboard widgets, I only use like 5 of them an I know where they are. And why aren't full screen apps just Explosé'd the same way as non-full screen ones? That would make more sense to me. And where's Spaces? I can't see Spaces being on Mission Control. I need freaking Spaces, and I need to see which window is in what Space, otherwise this really sucks.

I did notice the disappearing scroll bar during the demo though, which is to me the most awesome feature of Lion so far.

I know that many things will change until the release, but come on, most of this is disappointing!
 
I like how Apple and Apple users constantly bash maximizing windows, but now OS X Lion will basically do just that with fullscreen mode in all applications.

I'm a long-time Mac user, and that's one of the few things I have not bashed about Windows. While I happen to like the Mac's way of enlarging windows to fit the content, it is one of the most inconsistently implemented features. If you're using different apps, you never quite know what that green button is going to do — sometimes it fits the content, sometimes it goes full-screen, sometimes it does nothing at all. So I fully empathise with the confusion and frustration of Windows users when they can't figure it out. I've long thought the Mac should just bite the bullet and make it a consistent full-screen behaviour.

I do admit it's kind of funny though, how after all these years of Mac OS, full-screen mode is now being presented as an enhancement. I mean, that's how all computers worked before multi-tasking and the Mac GUI took us all to a new paradigm of seeing multiple windows floating above each other! Back to the future! Or forward to the past… or something like that.
 
I like! The App store addition is a great idea. Lots of affordable Apps to customize your use of the Mac and a great infrastructure to attract a growing sea of developers to the Mac platform. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Agreed. Personally, I don't understand, why everytime Apple releases a new product or a feature that all of the "fans" come to this Apple fan site to complain how underwhelming, boring and whatnot the new thing is.

Personally, I love the idea of Mac App Store, there are tons of apps for iPhone/iPad I wish I had in my mac as well. This will bring a lot of ports from iOS and you'll be able to search for the apps in one place, get timely updates and with more competition the prices will be lower.

And one more thing, if developers don't like the 70/30 split, could they for instance post a demo of their app to the OS X app store and host the paid version on their own website?
 
So... Wait... Are we going to have an iOS App store in iTunes, and a separate Mac App store application? Wouldn't it be smarter to just have an App store, with separate categories for iPhones, iPods, iPads and Macs?
 
So... Wait... Are we going to have an iOS App store in iTunes, and a separate Mac App store application? Wouldn't it be smarter to just have an App store, with separate categories for iPhones, iPods, iPads and Macs?

that feature is coming to Mac OS X 10.8 Liger (when iOS and Mac OS merge into one)
 
Everyone should like this.

You absolutely HAVE to embrace iOS. It's the future.

Integration was bound to happen.

Intergration? Perhaps you mean consolidation.

Big difference: Integration brings selective features from one thing into another. Consolidation brings multiple things together, getting rid of the bits from both sides (usually a lot more than integration) that don't fit into the new schema.

I don't mind if Apple want to create something different that will apply to a targetted type of consumer (those who like Apple products/iPad/etc). The problem is that others will attempt to follow like lemmings, and choice will suffer. And I like choice - I like my mouse, and I like finding stuff the old fashioned way, not having it spoon-fed to me by one company.

Walled garden is fine on iPhone, even iPad... but I don't want it on my computer.
 
With the new Lion OS, Mac App Store, e MBA, Apple is clearly embracing the gadget era of computing. Vision moves from computers to create in the world to computers to waste our time in an irrelevant digital world. Scary.
 
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