So far it looks like another $29 upgrade to me. Considering that the box set is now $129, maybe this is the pricing path Apple has chosen for the future.
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Mac OS X Lion Set for Summer 2011 Debut, Mac App Store to Launch Within 90 Days
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And so Steve continues on his quest to turn the Mac into the platform for the stupid, who need everything given to them with big graphics and dumb interfaces.
Apple is breeding a technical retarded user base who have no idea how anything works and whose idea of troubleshooting is clicking an appointment button at an Apple Store.
If an App store is the highlight of Lion then it only highlights how little there is left for actual professionals and users who want to have some control over what their machines actually do.
Apple is breeding a technical retarded user base who have no idea how anything works and whose idea of troubleshooting is clicking an appointment button at an Apple Store.
If an App store is the highlight of Lion then it only highlights how little there is left for actual professionals and users who want to have some control over what their machines actually do.
Ha! Easy to say that now...
I'm just curious what would people have said if they dared to delete one of the two. Moreover, we don't know if they will have a setting to choose between the two or have them both in the final release.
I use something like it now anyway. I have my dock which is where the apps I use ALL THE TIME sit (and active apps as well, since that's what it's for). Snow Leopard, by default, has a "stack" that's the Applications folder. This let's me easily hit the "other" apps that I don't use as much.
I have been doing something similar to this since Tiger. Launch Pad is just another way to organize and launch apps that's DIFFERENT than the dock and while some functionality crosses over, they're not the same thing and both have their place.
LOL, people don't overreact much on here do they. WAIT! Theres more stuff coming, and if you're not happy, don't upgrade. But I'm sure theres some stuff you've never known you wanted before, and maybe some of this is it.
We need a bit more optimism on these forums!
We need a bit more optimism on these forums!
At some point though it could be...
Although I guess when you talk dial up Most people in small towns and even small city's can get a MAX of 1.5 Mb. I'd have faster but to go to the next tier is ~$50 for 12Mb
Although I guess when you talk dial up
Most people in small towns and even small city's can get a MAX of 1.5 Mb. I'd have faster but to go to the next tier is ~$50 for 12Mb
If this app store is going to be avaliable within 90 days, are they going to force us to put it on our current OSs, or will it be an optional download?
This looks like a great way to help the vast majority of users who do not understand the concept of file location at all. Now, they won't need to. Did you notice that the Finder was not used once during the demo? Very impressive and thoughtful. Yet, for those of us who have more mastery of the OS, the Finder and file structure are still available if you like.
the impending marriage to iOS
today we got a glimpse into the future of computing.
sneak peak of the new lion os shows that it will be revolutionary.
if you think about the demo - it is obvious to extrapolate the following - multitouch totally integrated into the almost all apps but for the mac - using 'magic trackpad', 'magic mouse' or laptop trackpad.
with magic trackpad it will run iOS apps developed for ipad/mac.
It will work with resolution independent apps made for the ipad and iphone but be able to run 'legacy mac' os x apps.
this touch computing will be the friendliest computer os ever made. Steve doesn't want to freak mac people out - but the writing is on the wall and I think it's great. Finally a fully fledged touch os will flesh out - the innovations in Lion will end up in the iPad eventually.
With Lion we will have arrived at a point that will leave the old paradigm of file system computing in the dust. iOS will coexist with old Mac OS x because essentially iOS will be running inside Mac OS X as a virtualization layer.
Alan Kay vision from the 60's-70's is close to complete.
today we got a glimpse into the future of computing.
sneak peak of the new lion os shows that it will be revolutionary.
if you think about the demo - it is obvious to extrapolate the following - multitouch totally integrated into the almost all apps but for the mac - using 'magic trackpad', 'magic mouse' or laptop trackpad.
with magic trackpad it will run iOS apps developed for ipad/mac.
It will work with resolution independent apps made for the ipad and iphone but be able to run 'legacy mac' os x apps.
this touch computing will be the friendliest computer os ever made. Steve doesn't want to freak mac people out - but the writing is on the wall and I think it's great. Finally a fully fledged touch os will flesh out - the innovations in Lion will end up in the iPad eventually.
With Lion we will have arrived at a point that will leave the old paradigm of file system computing in the dust. iOS will coexist with old Mac OS x because essentially iOS will be running inside Mac OS X as a virtualization layer.
Alan Kay vision from the 60's-70's is close to complete.
As in who the heck is using it?
That's great, there was no mention of it. I get tired of waiting for Apple to keep up on some of the basics. I hope Apple gets off their butt and implements it.
As of Cinema 4d R12, Maxon implemented OpenGL 3 for increased performance in teh viewport. Their official answer is that Apple's OS doesn't support Open GL 3 yet.
I expect the Mac software market to bifurcate. The big Mac software developers (Adobe, AutoDesk, Microsoft, et.al.) who get gazillions of hits on their own website, don' t need Apple's free marketing, and thus don't need to give Apple 30% of their big-ticket prices.
But for the small unknown devs who get near zero hits on their web presence, this will be a boon. I expect the new Mac App store to cause the creation of a vast amount of low cost Mac applications from currently unknown developers.
Same reason your local grocery store doesn't stock rat poison labeled as your favorite sport beverage.
Yeah, that's not what he said and i quote
but hey, don't let reality stop you from making crazy **** up.
I think they will have no choice eventually because they will start to find upstart competitors who use the store to grab market share and build a presence. They will likely be forced into the Mac Store just to protect marketshare and presence.
Also big companies do software distribution via retail channels and they give up a lot more than 30%.
I realize it is in your best interests to believe what you believe, but you don't include things like marketing and promotion costs in those equations, and it is much more likely that the developers will sell more product in the mac store then they do in programs similar to those. I don't buy any software like you said. As someone else mentioned, they buy very little software for their Mac. I am in the same boat. I certainly would buy more in an App Store.
Finding the Apps and being made aware of them is 90% of the battle, the part of the battle that is going to move developers into the Mac Store. When they see some upstart competitor with an inferior product selling 10x as many units as them, they will end up being there.
I do internet marketing and advertising for a living. I know how expensive and time consuming it would be for a small software publisher to do that on their own to get any software sales.
No offense to you and the company you work for, but you might start putting feelers out for jobs that might be available out there. I think there are going to be some causalities in this.. and those who provide those services like you mention are likely first to go. At the end of the day the percentage anyone takes is irrelevant. If the developer makes $250,000 with Apple and $100,000 doing it themselves, but pays Apple 30% or pays 15% themselves, which one do you think they are going to take?
If I remember right, Snow Leopard creates a dock folder for Applications. I don't know how much easy it can be than clicking the folder and then clicking the application. (Very akin to pressing a home button and selecting an app...but I digress.) And keeping something in the dock is about as easy and clicking the icon and dragging it to a permanent location. After that, it's only as hard as clicking the icon. Besides the point that most Mac customers that would have trouble finding the Applications folder will probably only ever use the applications that are already on the dock with you first install/create a user. Even iWorks and Office put icons on the dock.
The short of it: if you can't find the Applications folder, I don't think the interface is the problem.
I'm not excited about a Mac App store. I don't think Microsoft or Adobe are going to buy giving 30% of their software sales to Apple (or any other worthwhile developer). While a phone app can sell for $2.99, software I usually buy for my computer runs a little pricier. I think all we're going to see on this Apple app store are developers who don't want to bother putting up a website to sell their product. I don't expect anything of quality to sell through this app store (except Apple's software--they like to jump on their own bandwagon more than anyone).
EDIT: I'm not trying to argue that developers don't give a chunk to somebody else...what I'm saying here is that if a company wants to have customers download their software instead of buying a physical disk, they're not likely to give 30% to Apple. We'll all believe what we want, and I believe that most high quality software will still be found outside this app store.
I use a Mac for work, and I probably only use 10 applications ever. My personal laptop--I probably use my browser 95% of the time (and it's Firefox, Mr. Jobs). I don't see a market for cheap programs on a computer platform. Not while Flash games are around. And I'm not going to start buying $3.99 programs for my desktop when there's already free options abounding. Plus, running a program on your computer brings up a ton of security questions that I want answered before I even think about it. Are all these apps sandboxed? Or do they have access to all of my documents? From what I understand, the phone and the computer user-space models are very different. Better be some tight QA before I download some apps from some no-name developer just so I can see my Tweets in red text.
I love Apple hardware, and I love the OS. But I'll repeat what's been said. I want to see some real improvements to the actual OS. I like Mac for being Unix, not for the iFluff. If Lion carries nothing more than new iLife, I think I'll pass too.
Though, whatever we say on this thread, we all know Apple will sell millions of copies. I guess I just hope I have a good reason to be one of them. It'd help if it had great features plus another $30 upgrade price tag.
i just knew Apple was going to launch this MAC app store, its really the only way OSX can gain marketshare against MS, hey it worked with iOS so why not OSX?
I bet ol Steve-O, thinks if he(Apple) can help keep the cost down on MAC OSX Apps, then more people will jump on over to the MAC, and of course this is about control too, dont get me wrong!
I bet ol Steve-O, thinks if he(Apple) can help keep the cost down on MAC OSX Apps, then more people will jump on over to the MAC, and of course this is about control too, dont get me wrong!
Tandem's Guardian OS worked like that. The lack of filesystem hierarchy made it really annoying to use. I like organizing my files as I wish, rather than having apps do it for me.
You don't HAVE to use it...YET. They'll save that for 10.8 iCashKitty where Steve will talk about how everyone just LOVES giving 30% of their profits to Apple and so they've decided ALL software should be distributed that way. If you don't like it, you can always switch to Windows or Linux.
piss & moan
wow, it is amazing how many people whine about how this is the end of OSX. Freak'n people get a hold of yourself. The OS is about 9 months from release, give it a break till then. As mentioned who knows how many times they'll show other features within the remaining months, they only showed features relevant to their presentation which was how iOS has given back to OSX. Therefore, the showed only the features that have be transfered from iOS to OSX. It's called continuity. As mentioned, if they talked about a new file system, everyone would be like WTF? Ok, get it, continuity! Take a freak'n presentation class and you'll get it.
wow, it is amazing how many people whine about how this is the end of OSX. Freak'n people get a hold of yourself. The OS is about 9 months from release, give it a break till then. As mentioned who knows how many times they'll show other features within the remaining months, they only showed features relevant to their presentation which was how iOS has given back to OSX. Therefore, the showed only the features that have be transfered from iOS to OSX. It's called continuity. As mentioned, if they talked about a new file system, everyone would be like WTF? Ok, get it, continuity! Take a freak'n presentation class and you'll get it.
My take on the Mac App Store?
Finally, we get an official package manager for OS X. Linux perfected the unified application management approach years ago, and we finally catch up.
I imagine the likes of Microsoft and Adobe will want to negotiate on those profit splits, but for the smaller-time and indie guys I think this could be a good deal. Having all my OS X apps be managed and updated through a single, clean interface makes me think happy thoughts.
Finally, we get an official package manager for OS X. Linux perfected the unified application management approach years ago, and we finally catch up.
I imagine the likes of Microsoft and Adobe will want to negotiate on those profit splits, but for the smaller-time and indie guys I think this could be a good deal. Having all my OS X apps be managed and updated through a single, clean interface makes me think happy thoughts.
The Mac App Store is a marquee Lion feature, yes... but you misunderstand what Steve Jobs said. He doesn't want to wait for Lion to release the Mac App Store, so he's making it available to Snow Leopard users too.