Mac OS X Lion to Have User Interface Overhaul?

[Fraaaa]

For you.



- No quick indication of how much document is left or how much you've gone through. Requires mousing over the "scroll bar area" or lightly scrolling.



- No knowing what apps are currently in a running state instead of a saved state. Is your skype still open ? Waiting for a call ? BitTorrent client running, ready to gobble up the bandwidth you might not have on your 3G tethering ?

These negatives far outweight the "positive" of "cleaning up the UI" to me.

For the save state, I think would be up to the developer to implementing in that in their app; is suggested, not mandatory.

At most you will se like on the PS games where you had "Auto Save" and your "Saved Game".

 

[diamond.g]

With all these "major" changes does everyone still think Apple will sell Lion for just 29 USD?

 

[Fraaaa]

With all these "major" changes does everyone still think Apple will sell Lion for just 29 USD?

Well, if it gets higher than the Mac Dev program I will enrol there instead.

I think is going to price as cheap SL. At least I hope so.

 

[JoJoCal19]

I'm worried about the path that apple is going down. I don't like the control they have been putting on their devices. As I move more from being a consumer to being a prosumer I am starting to seriously dislike these steps to control the environment and to fill it with gimmicky features that add no additional functionality. Launchpad is no different then a full screen stack and the idea of IOS folders in addition to standard folders just seems silly to me. I can deal with gimmicky features but if apple makes a move to lock OSX down like IOS then I would be as good as gone. I really like apple's tightly integrated environment because I feel that it yields great products but if I am going to have to buy a pc to jailbrake my mac I might as well just use the pc.

+1

I really don't like the path Apple is on, as a whole. They are moving to such a restricted and locked down environment and I think its only a matter of time before the same holds true for Mac OS. The Mac App Store is just the beginning and is really their trojan horse into turning Mac OS into a more controlled OS.

I'm at a crossroads with buying a new laptop and I was set on the new MacBook Pro but then I saw the new Dell XPS and I'm really wondering which direction I want to go in. And this is from a long-time Mac user.

 

[KnightWRX]

For the save state, I think would be up to the developer to implementing in that in their app; is suggested, not mandatory.

At most you will se like on the PS games where you had "Auto Save" and your "Saved Game".

I don't care about the save state. That's a nice feature. I use it all the time with emulators and such and it would be nice feature to quickly resume apps. It however doesn't require the removal of the "running" indicator under the app in the dock to work.

Those are 2 different things all together.

 

[AnonMac50]

I'm nearly sure OS X won't be locked. Pure logic. If it gets locked, how do u run your existing apps? No more Adobe CS? No more _insert-app-here_?

 

[Ubuntu]

New user interface?

The dock will be at the top and the menu bar at the bottom. The menus go up!

I remember windows users claiming their OS of choice was "superior" to Mac OS because you could resize a window by grabbing any corner; not just one.

LOL

As silly as that is (I have friends who have bragged about that) I actually do find it quite annoying on the mac!

And I do hope there's a graphical overhaul. I know how the OS looks doesn't matter that much but I think OS X looks kinda ugly in some respects. I don't like the blue/grey theme across the OS, it looks pretty rough to me especially compared to Windows 7. Not a huge issue, of course.

 

[MikeDTyke]

If I buy a piece of stinky poo tomorrow (when they launch the new stinky poo's), will I get a free upgrade to Lion this summer?

Mmmm, makes me take a second look at stinky poo. And no you won't get a free upgrade until you buy poo within a month of Lion.


Lion poo, it's greeeeat.

 

[MikeDTyke]

As silly as that is (I have friends who have bragged about that) I actually do find it quite annoying on the mac!

And I do hope there's a graphical overhaul. I know how the OS looks doesn't matter that much but I think OS X looks kinda ugly in some respects. I don't like the blue/grey theme across the OS, it looks pretty rough to me especially compared to Windows 7. Not a huge issue, of course.

This coming from a guy who runs hackintosh on a netbook. You're expectations should be set subtantially lower.

 

[Fraaaa]

I don't care about the save state. That's a nice feature. I use it all the time with emulators and such and it would be nice feature to quickly resume apps. It however doesn't require the removal of the "running" indicator under the app in the dock to work.

Those are 2 different things all together.

I was commenting the save state feature independently as we already argued over the running indicator and we reach the conclusion that me and you have completly different view about it.

 

[MacFanJeff]

If Lion becomes locked-down like iOS, bye bye Mac. Just seems like that's the way it's headed. Not something I'm thrilled about. I already don't like their terms and conditions for iOS and refuse to code for it. Not going to be happy with the nickel-and-dime parade coming to the desktop.

Exactly. As a professional content creator myself, I fear that it will become all consumer based. That means content will be consumed, not created for most areas. Also, no company that makes the high-end programs for serious users like Adobe, Maxon, Autodesk, etc. will ever support the Mac App store due to the terms.

There is no way you can replace the high-end apps because for those of us that use them there is no equal which is why they are so expensive. I fear the Mac is becoming the platform for the general public, which means I will be leaving the more I see them going that route and it is happening fast.

Great for non-tech people, bad for those of us that are VERY technical.

 

[RHatton]

Every single negative comment I have seen in this thread has been said from ignorance. Lion won't be any more limiting than Snow Leopard currently is. The Mac App store is already out so that won't be a huge surprise in the new OS.

There seems to be a misconception that the only way to get applications onto the mac now is to use the app store which is completely incorrect. It's simply a new way of finding all of the paid applications as well as freeware in one place rather than find them fragmented out on the internet.

Launchpad is a hell of a lot better than the current stacks folder for applications which frankly I'd rather use spotlight to do the same function.

A key feature that was mentioned during the keynote last year was the ability to open applications and have them resume where you left off, much like in iOS. This will be a big deal for alot of people. The memory allocation to do this I can see being difficult but this would be an excellent feature. No more worrying about saving documents repetitively every 5 minutes and when you close an application.

I think people will be pleased with the new OS. I certainly will.

 

[apple101]

I'm ready for the next version of OS X. I hope it does have a new interface.

Would it be for download in the Mac App Store?

 

[LagunaSol]

It's good to see the anti-Mac crowd is out in force. Without them, we would have 25% less posts. And who would want that?

More like 50%.

Exactly. As a professional content creator myself, I fear that it will become all consumer based.

Also, no company that makes the high-end programs for serious users like Adobe, Maxon, Autodesk, etc. will ever support the Mac App store due to the terms.

I think pro software margins are healthy enough to support the shift from one retail middle-man (Amazon, Best Buy, NewEgg, etc.) to another (Apple).

 

[LagunaSol]

*merge*

 

[tigress666]

No one just needs to never buy the magic mouse and get apple to drop the most un-ergonomic mouse since the puck.

It will go away if not enough people like it to make money.

Other than that though, why would you care if it goes away or not? Don't get one if you don't like it.

Personally, I absolutely love mine and would not go back if I didn't have to. Usually I don't like spending more than 20 bux on a mouse but this one is well worth it (I originally got it as a gift as 70 dollars was a bit high in my opinion to pay for a mouse). Granted most of what I do is web surf but it is *awesome* for that. You just have to know how to hold it right (lightly grip with your thumb and second to last finger on the sides and use the rest of the fingers to operate the surface part).

The scroll is a lot smoother than a physical scroll bar (I love the fact I can coast with the scroll, that alone makes it superior), being able to go back and forward with just a gesture is really convenient, and I could get it to do more (actually though I found it is too small for too complicated of gestures, least for me, and I'm happiest using Apple's drivers. Haven't used BTT too much but did try magic mouse for a while. That one just got annoying with trying to make sure I did the right gesture).

Sorry you don't like it but just cause *you* don't like it doesn't mean it needs to go away. It just means you shouldn't get one.

 

[LagunaSol]

No one just needs to never buy the magic mouse and get apple to drop the most un-ergonomic mouse since the puck.

Huh? The puck sucked, as did the Mighty Mouse, but the Magic Mouse is my favorite mouse ever. Bar none.

Maybe you're holding it wrong?

 

[notabadname]

Maybe more details about this on the 2nd too. This is the thing that effects most of us. While many may be a year or more away from a hardware purchase, an OS update can be affordably enjoyed by all.

 

[GQB]

It cracks me up how some of the ostensibly most advanced computer users can be such conservative Luddites.
"Oh MY!! If Apple changes the interface I've trained myself to use over the past years, I'm simply going to have a case of the VAPORS."

Grow up.

 

[Woodcrest64]

I agree with you. I too think that it was a just a introduction for the app store. Aqua is getting long in the tooth and it be nice to have a major facelift to the UI.

The 10.7 Lion Preview was never really a proper preview in my opinion... it felt like a last minute rush to get to the real announcement that Apple wanted to make that day...

... the Mac App Store.

Think about it... It was supposed to be a preview of the next major version of (in my opinion and Apples) the best operating system in the world.

But all we got was a bunch of "iOS" interfaces with stupid marketing hyperbole names ("Launchpad", "Mission Control"... *cringe*), displaying on top of what looked like Snow Leopard.

And then, the BIG exciting new feature for 10.7 (the Mac App Store) is released for the current version of OSX anyway...

I share the same concern about 10.7 that others have stated. I don't want iOS on my desktop. Having said that, I also don't believe Apple's "preview" was anything but a prelude to the Mac App Store announcement, and when we finally do get a proper preview, we'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Waterboy4]

Upgrade policy?

I want to get a new Mac mini (hopefully a new model after Thursday. Will I have to fork over the full price for Lion when it ships this summer?

 

[asykes]

It's time. The desktop OS with its 25-year-old paper-based metaphors (folders, trash cans) is past due for a reinvention.

I don't know about you, but I make money using my Mac and the environment in which my Mac resides is an office. I have an actual desk with a top. I have folders, trash cans, shedders, file cabinets, and more.

The reason the os is the way it is, is because of these things that are needed to run an office (which is needed to run a business and make money to buy food and shelter).

Office environments will not be likely to change any time soon. Otherwise, feel free to buy an iPad. Hell, maybe they'll change the iMac into a high powered iOS device. It'd be perfect for turning out crazy frame rates in Warcraft

 

[applefan69]

Most likely it will be just like iOS.

But it would be neat if they released something unique and refreshing. Not to say theres anything wrong with the current GUI, its just been around for so long now. There really was a point where "Aqua" was considered modern and futuristic believe it or not, but those days are over.


Be REALLY awesome if along with a unique new GUI in OS X, iOS followed suite matching this new GUI. But realistically I doubt that.

 

[tigerphilosophy]

Wallpaper for Login Screen

Wish List -

[1] let us choose our own wallpaper for login screen

[2] Allow private browsing and block pop-ups to be permanent choices in Safari preferences.

 

[Rocketman]

I am primarily concerned about stability, not features. Features are nice, but stability is mission critical. Past experience with OSX 10.X.0 are scary to say the least and for a bleeding edge adopter who wants to fiddle with his machine repetitively, it is probably fine. Grandma needs stability and safety afforded by 10.X.3. I hope they do not install Lion onto production machines as the only OS installed till 10.7.3.

I have limited faith that will happen in practice. One can hope.

Rocketman