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matticus008 said:
not saying that the hardware isn't more profitable than the software to Apple (it is), I'm just saying that the disclosed figure of 60% revenue from hardware doesn't equate to 60% profit.

With Apple, software/firmware whatever is the answer... always was, always will be-- since Woz burnt a mini-assembler and Apple BASIC on the Apple ][ ROM back in 1977. The hardware is elegant ( without question ) but the software drives the user experience, the sales... always has, always will!

SJ understands this better than anyone!

Dick Applebaum
 
matticus008 said:
I'm sorry, but there is no system bus on my Athlon 64. The memory controller is on-die and the HyperTransport link is substantially faster than the G5 memory system. You can take your 128-bit vector unit and shove it, because I didn't say anything about a dual G5. I said a PowerMac, not THE FASTEST POWERMAC. If we wanted to compare along that vein, I'd be using a dual FX-55 setup, which would smash the dual G5, and still be cheaper. I was comparing unit for unit performance of my Athlon (not Althon) to a G5. That is, a fair, singular G5, and I already know mine's faster and that a 1.25GHz bus speed still can't touch HyperTransport. I'm not saying that the G5 isn't a good performer, just that my system is a better performer than a PowerMac at a savings of hundreds of dollars. I'm not promoting the AMD64 platform over the PowerPC, because I use both...I'm just saying that I would get much better cost/performance returns with a proper port. It's the truth. I don't care if it happens or not (note the condition "would").

Thanks, but take your angry bitching elsewhere.

... and your point is...
 
Would it expand the user base for the OS? You bet. But making OS X operational on a plethora of different types of hardware would ruin the "hand in glove" beauty and uniqueness of buying a system built by the OS writers.

Or, maybe showcase the advantages!
 
I dont see why anyone here should be againts porting OS X to a PC.
It would only make Apple money. It would bring more apps to the MAC.
Its not difficult to port an App to a diferent processor when the OS is the same. We do it continually where I work. I port my apps to Linux on Intel, PPC, Itaniums all the time.I can usually do it in a day or 2. Very easy stuff. But the ports between Windows OS X and Linux are a bear and take months.
The only reason I can see is people seem to think it would hurt Apple's hardware sale... To that I Say hogwash. Some of the core technologies that make OS X work well on Apple hardware have to do with them utilizing the altivec engine in the PPC. There is no x86 equivelent, so OS X will always perform a little better on Apple's hardware. But Apple could make some nice cash off the OS sales and use the money to better the OS and improve their product line.
 
it's the ipod

RacerX said:
No, and that really wasn't the point. iTunes is not wear Apple makes their money in that area, it is with iPods (hardware).

Now the question you should ask is: Would iTunes working with other MP3 players hurt iPod sales?

Yes! :eek:

iTunes working with other MP3 players is just like Mac OS X working on other computers. Apple can't generate profits with iTunes or Mac OS X, but they sure can with iPods and Macs!
How would it hurt iPod sales? Most buyers are looking for what's cool - the iPod. I doubt anybody outside the RIAA decides if a person is cool by the source of the music, just what it's being played on. I mean, my music comes from CDs and iTMS, but people can't tell what is from where. Everybody, however, can tell I have my iPod.
 
pubwvj said:
Will Apple bring it out for the Cell? More likely and easier. Will they incorporate the Cell into the Mac? Very likely. The Mac is all about high performance, often in some nichy kinda ways. e.g., How fast can the server run? How fast can Photoshop run? Will it make a difference to your wordprocessor? No.

Will they liscense to Sony/IBM/Toshiba/etc on Cell? Interesting possibility. Especially for nitch markets - everybody play nice now! :)

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This is the real question(s)... the earth shuddered today, and we didn't notice-- we all went on with what were doing...

... if you don't know what I am talking about... well,that just proves the point

Dick
 
Some people are misunderstanding a statement about the Cell. It will NOT RUN x86 programs (operating systems included) without emulation. It supports the running of multiple operating systems at once. So you could theoretically run OSX, PPC Linux, BeOS, and others all at the same time. This thing is a Power based chip, and therefore does not have the x86 instruction set.
 
~loserman~ said:
I dont see why anyone here should be againts porting OS X to a PC.
It would only make Apple money. It would bring more apps to the MAC.
Its not difficult to port an App to a diferent processor when the OS is the same. We do it continually where I work. I port my apps to Linux on Intel, PPC, Itaniums all the time.I can usually do it in a day or 2. Very easy stuff. But the ports between Windows OS X and Linux are a bear and take months.
The only reason I can see is people seem to think it would hurt Apple's hardware sale... To that I Say hogwash. Some of the core technologies that make OS X work well on Apple hardware have to do with them utilizing the altivec engine in the PPC. There is no x86 equivelent, so OS X will always perform a little better on Apple's hardware. But Apple could make some nice cash off the OS sales and use the money to better the OS and improve their product line.
Porting a few small apps on Linux distros and porting, say, Final Cut Pro to x86 OS X are very, VERY different. Imagine tossing out all that Altivec code and starting your processor optimizations from scratch. Then you've got the issue of supporting the zillions of different PC configurations out there. It's just not going to happen.
 
archer75 said:
"Myth 3: Apple is going to use this processor in their new machine.

Doubtful. The problem is that though the main CPU is PowerPC-based like current Apple chips, it is stripped down, and the Altivec support will be much lower than in current G5s. Unoptomized, Apple code would run like a G4 on this hardware. They would have to commit to a lot of R&D for their OS to use the additional 8 processors on the chip, and redesign all their tweaked Altivec code. It would not be a simple port. A couple of years to complete, at least."
And a G5 performs about on par with a G4 until the apps are optimized for it. IBM shoehorned an Altivec unit onto the 970, I don't see why they couldn't do that for the Cell, if only adding a few of the most used instructions. Even if it did run at the speed of a G4, that's a 4GHZ G4! Apple has been optimizing the bejeezus out of OS X for the G5. I don't see how that would be much different for the Cell. Another thing: If Apple was planning to use this thing all along, then you can bet your butt they're already working on a fully optimized version of OS X for the Cell. They've still got a year or so.
 
Stepping stones..! or... How it's all in the positioning... or... MS 8% Market Share!

~loserman~ said:
I dont see why anyone here should be against porting OS X to a PC.
It would only make Apple money. It would bring more apps to the MAC.
Its not difficult to port an App to a diferent processor when the OS is the same. We do it continually where I work. I port my apps to Linux on Intel, PPC, Itaniums all the time.I can usually do it in a day or 2. Very easy stuff. But the ports between Windows OS X and Linux are a bear and take months.
The only reason I can see is people seem to think it would hurt Apple's hardware sale... To that I Say hogwash. Some of the core technologies that make OS X work well on Apple hardware have to do with them utilizing the altivec engine in the PPC. There is no x86 equivelent, so OS X will always perform a little better on Apple's hardware. But Apple could make some nice cash off the OS sales and use the money to better the OS and improve their product line.


I quite agree... and by positioning a mac OS within the mainstream doesn't mean it need be the latest and greatest OS X... The article I had originally posted I have extensively rewritten and so have posted it afresh as it counters later arguments in the thread.
 
dicklacara said:
With Apple, software/firmware whatever is the answer... always was, always will be-- since Woz burnt a mini-assembler and Apple BASIC on the Apple ][ ROM back in 1977. The hardware is elegant ( without question ) but the software drives the user experience, the sales... always has, always will!

SJ understands this better than anyone!

Dick Applebaum

Exactly, and porting OS X without any precautions or restrictions would bring that software experience to cheaper hardware and hurt a huge portion of Apple hardware sales, which would no longer be supported by a unique software experience...
 
Mice nolonger have balls. Have users lost them too?

Take the plunge? What are we afraid of? Apple's hardware will still sell on its own merits of being from the mothership and of a higher, more reliable and consistent caliber. Microsoft will be instantly trashed in Windows sales, and the "halo effect" will also trash sales of Office, same moment when people find out Apple Pages and Keynote are compatible at a fraction of the cost. Apple will continue to pump out OS X revisions at breakneck speed now with an even beefier warchest with all the OS sales to the other 90% of the world.

Will it distract from Macintosh efforts? Unlikely. It will morelikely broaden Apple into having a new division for "PC" affairs which will take its cues from Macintosh which will of course be the trendsetter and the posterboy.

Will it rob hardware sales? Also unlikely. You can't get the equivalent performance of dual 2.5 G5s on PCs wether or not it runs OS X. High end sales are secure. Apple has begun to understand low-end sales, so it's not likely that Dell will rob Mac-Mini sales.. well, just look at how pathetic the competition is! Small? Lol.. Quiet? Lol... If they held out this long from buying a Mac, why would they change their mind in 3 years from now? Let them have a better OS on their crap hardware.. Apple will be able to afford to hire more programmers to keep up things on the PC side.

What will the effect be on Mac software development? Amazing! Instantly thousands of programmers will start writing their first Mac programs, having lost the lust for Windows.. It can only be a major boost to the Mac software development community in terms of man power, labor pool, cross-platform experience, etc... Expect major applications to be ported swiftly that have never before seen a single-button mouse click.

More viruses on Mac? Ya, but probably only still affecting PC hardware, and Intel-compiled applications. Doubtful that there will be any marked increase for PPC-based Macs. Open source is regardless of popularity still going to be fairly virus-resistant compared to closed Gatesware.

In short, it will knock the wind out of Microsoft, and it will be the biggest thorn ever in Bill Gate's side, and potentially a bigger boost for Apple than the iPod even.
 
Xapplimatic said:
Take the plunge? What are we afraid of? Apple's hardware will still sell on its own merits of being from the mothership and of a higher, more reliable and consistent caliber. Microsoft will be instantly trashed in Windows sales, and the "halo effect" will also trash sales of Office, same moment when people find out Apple Pages and Keynote are compatible at a fraction of the cost. Apple will continue to pump out OS X revisions at breakneck speed now with an even beefier warchest with all the OS sales to the other 90% of the world.

Will it distract from Macintosh efforts? Unlikely. It will morelikely broaden Apple into having a new division for "PC" affairs which will take its cues from Macintosh which will of course be the trendsetter and the posterboy.

Will it rob hardware sales? Also unlikely. You can't get the equivalent performance of dual 2.5 G5s on PCs wether or not it runs OS X. High end sales are secure. Apple has begun to understand low-end sales, so it's not likely that Dell will rob Mac-Mini sales.. well, just look at how pathetic the competition is! Small? Lol.. Quiet? Lol... If they held out this long from buying a Mac, why would they change their mind in 3 years from now? Let them have a better OS on their crap hardware.. Apple will be able to afford to hire more programmers to keep up things on the PC side.

What will the effect be on Mac software development? Amazing! Instantly thousands of programmers will start writing their first Mac programs, having lost the lust for Windows.. It can only be a major boost to the Mac software development community in terms of man power, labor pool, cross-platform experience, etc... Expect major applications to be ported swiftly that have never before seen a single-button mouse click.

More viruses on Mac? Ya, but probably only still affecting PC hardware, and Intel-compiled applications. Doubtful that there will be any marked increase for PPC-based Macs. Open source is regardless of popularity still going to be fairly virus-resistant compared to closed Gatesware.

In short, it will knock the wind out of Microsoft, and it will be the biggest thorn ever in Bill Gate's side, and potentially a bigger boost for Apple than the iPod even.

Just a few points. If Apple ports (and I don't expect them to nor do I really want them to, although I would certainly benefit from it), their hardware market share will not increase. Some Intel/AMD users might switch over, but you'd find some Mac users switching to cheaper hardware too. At best, it will preserve their share of the market. Keynote is a fine application, but Pages is no Word substitute. Not even close, and it was a wise choice that Apple isn't marketing it as one. Office will continue to sell, if only because it's already entrenched in most corporate and government markets (and because no open-source project has approached the level of functionality while preserving compatibility with Office).

Next, it has been disclosed that major updates to OS X are scheduled to slow down. The one major revision a year pace is going to let up for Tiger, allowing it to go for presumably 2 years at least.

You can get equivalent (or better) performance on PC hardware. The fastest computers in the world are based on PC hardware, and Apple's dual G5 is NOT the fastest end-user system available. It's a great machine and it runs superbly, but it's simply not the best, and it would be helpful for many posters to take a step back and accept this fact. I prefer Apple hardware, but I don't pretend that it's faster than PC. It might be more effective and more productive, but it's not faster. The Cell system, if it lives up to its potential, could change that.

More viruses for Macs would mean more viruses for both PPC and x86 and any other architecture employed. The x86 version wouldn't be any more prone to viruses than the PPC variant, because most virus and worm writers would be targeting the platform at the OS level (except maybe some rogue programmers angry at the x86 port), in order to be effective. That said, the severity of those viruses wouldn't be anywhere near Windows-scale. Open source isn't inherently more secure from a virus standpoint (in fact, logically, it's less secure, given that all of the tools and workings and source code is lying out for anyone to see), and MacOS isn't entirely open source anyway. The design of the security model is what keeps viruses away, not the fact that it's an open source BSD variant.

I agree that it would definitely have some dramatically bad effects for Microsoft. I would love to watch the spectacular demise of Windows, but the port isn't happening, and Windows has little to worry about, unless Intel and AMD can't deal with the Cell threat (assuming Cell actually performs the way it's being described).
 
Yes, License it but on PPC platform

For sure, it it has to go some way, it should be licensing the Big Guys with great corporate inroads (DELL, IBM, SONY, HP) a way to sell Mac-OSX but on the PPC infraestructure on ugly grey boxes.

I personaly think that many people would buy them from these guys (or from apple) because they see they are more standard. Many people (belive me) don´t like to get caught only by APPLE (the only provider) and by licensing the OSX on PPC paltform you would bring many users to OSX, and lot of money to apple. more user = more developers = greater future.

Imagine in a few years....all working at our jobs on OSX..! (not all are so lucky now).



freechris said:
COME ON GUYS

you really dont want OSX on x86, it makes no sense at all. please no hardware conflicts or applications that need to be rewritten, PLEASE THEY JUST DID THAT!!

no we really dont want that

But NOT because Apple makes only money out of their hardware,
for christ!!!! how do you think Microsoft became so rich? did they sell expensive x86 boxes? I dont think so, they licensed their OS and everyone used it and now it is dominant and bill is rich.

If only 20% of all consumer computers were x86 machines running OSX then Apple would already be super rich and they would not have to depend on their hardware sales right? So please dont start with arguments that Apple depends on their hardware sales and stuff.

ANYWAYS....

we really dont want to shift to something like x86, because right now, IBM is the way to go for the future, we all know that.

BUT

still i think the best thing to do for apple IF they want more marketshare or influence, is license two or three big names (for example: IBM, HP, SONY)
To sell PowerPC based machines (G4, G5 or whatever) with about the same specs as powermacs, running OSX. The only difference between the pc-vendor box and the powermac would be the case, the monitor and of course, THE PRICE!!

Trust me, not everyone wants a shiny macintosh on their desk. Apple sells to a certain niche group i think and i don't think you could really reach the big mass (dont start flaming that they dont want to reach it, they sell ipods to masses as well and mac mini's too!)

So people could choose whether they like to have a sony, HP or IBM or Apple computer which comes with OSX and iLife apps. It could just run PPC hardware with all the stuff that a normal powerpc also includes. Maybe small differences as long as Apple garantuees that it works. The supplier (ibm, hp..) would have to confirm to all the rules about what hardware and stuff they have to use) In this way, no one would ever had any problems with hardware conflicts (you will if you license to every crappy x86 box!!) And apple can still control a lot of the quality and user experience.

What do you guys think??? sound much better right?
 
Durendal said:
Even if it did run at the speed of a G4, that's a 4GHZ G4! Apple has been optimizing the bejeezus out of OS X for the G5.

Not quite. OS X's kernel and virtual memory manager are actually optimized for the G3.... yes you read that right.. the G3. Not a G4.. Not a G5.
If you dont believe me look at the Darwin Kernel Source.
 
RacerX said:
iTunes working with other MP3 players is just like Mac OS X working on other computers. Apple can't generate profits with iTunes or Mac OS X, but they sure can with iPods and Macs!

Gee... does this mean you want me to stop using my Creative Labs Nomad MG II MP3 player with iTunes? It works great. Always has.

Myth: iTunes only works with the iPod.
Fact: iTunes works with 3rd party MP3 players.
 
Durendal said:
Porting a few small apps on Linux distros and porting, say, Final Cut Pro to x86 OS X are very, VERY different. Imagine tossing out all that Altivec code and starting your processor optimizations from scratch. Then you've got the issue of supporting the zillions of different PC configurations out there. It's just not going to happen.

Not really a big deal. The compiler does most of the work for you. Companies like Aldus/Adobe and Microsoft sell their software for both platforms(And they are selling them for diverse CPU and OS) Which is a much much more difficult port. Are you saying the guys at Apple are not good enough to do the same.
Now do I think it will happen.... Actually not....But I do think it would be a great thing for consumers and for Apple. Microsoft would finally get some competition.

Also IF and thats a big IF... Apple was to release OS X for X86, the smart way to do it would be to release it to OEM's first. That way Apple could have some control over what hardware it would have to support initially.
Secondly If it was licensed to OEM's first they could work on releasing their core apps at the same time and sell them bundled to the OEM's with the OS.. The same way Microsoft made their deals with the OEM's. That way Apple doesnt just get a OS sale they get OS plus a few key apps at the same time.
Again as I've said before this probably wont happen... But IMO the time is right and It could be a great move for Apple.
 
Lets get this story straight...

O.k. lets sum this one up:

First of all, No where in the original story is it said that Apple will or is even considering a x86 / PC or any other different than PPC release of OS-X. Just because some PC vendors requested that, doesn't mean they will or are even thinking about it.

Why they won't release a x86 version:

1. Apple is a hardware company, that makes most of it's profits on hardware products. Because of this they can offer most of their software for very low prices, or even for free with a new computer. If they where going to release OS-X for x86 machines, they would have to or charge everybody more for all their software, or have different prices for x86 versions of their software, which would be confusing to customers.

2. Creating a x86 version of OS-X would also require all OS-X software to be recompiled/rewritten to be used on x86 hardware. While they could manage to do this for their own software, they would also have to persuade 3rd party developer to rewrite all their OS-X software for x86. If you think this wouldn't be a problem, you might like to think back to the days of the transition from OS-9 to OS-X, It took years before all software was available on OS-X. With a x86 version of OS-X the situation would be even worse because you don't have the "Classic environment" as a temporary alternative to run apps in.

3. Apple likes to keep their solutions simple and understandable to all (including not so computer-savvy) customers. They like to keep the "It just works" appeal to their products. A x86 version would work against that. Because now all of a sudden people have to watch out which version of a program they are buying. If they see the OS-X or apple logo they will automatically think it will work on their system, because it is running OS-X. They will buy some program and try to install it on their x86 OS-X PC, just to find that it doesn't work, because they bought the PPC version. Remember there are a lot of non computer-savvy people out there that don't even know what processor their computer has, they will be very confused, and blame Apple / OS-X. The "It just works" label that Apple has will be ruined.

4. Because of the lack of x86 OS-X software the appeal of the system will quickly disappear, and the preconceived idea that there isn't enough Mac software available will actually become reality, although this will only be true for the x86 version. The people that wanted to use OS-X on their x86 machine will now abandon the system and go back to Windows. They will think that they were right that their isn't enough software for the Mac, and also will not be tempted to switch to the Mac either.

5. Apple would have to invest truckloads of money on software development to keep both the PPC and x86 versions of all their apps up-to-date and truckloads of money on customer support to deal with all those people that are trying to install PPC OS-X software on their x86 PC, or have some unsupported x86 configuration.

6. People will see no reason to buy the in their eyes over-priced Apple hardware, because they would supposedly be able to run de same software on their x86 OS-X box. Apple will start to lose hardware sales. Everybody who thinks that this is not true, should be reminded that this was exactly what happened in the 90's when Apple licensed Mac-OS to other computer manufactures. And those systems where still PPC and not even that much cheaper than Apples own offerings. Still hardware sales went down, while market share did not increase.

Apple would lose a lot of money on all this, and could even go bankrupt on this.

Why they won't release a cell-processor version:

1. First of all I'm skeptical on the availability of the Cell processor for the use in PC's. I would not be surprised if IBM/Toshiba/Sony made a deal that would allow only Sony to use the Cell processor in the Playstation 3 and other, non-computer consumer products like HDTVs and camcorders (Sony and Toshiba), while IBM might only use it in big servers / workstations for the non-consumer market. The reason for this is that Sony wouldn't want consumer computer systems on the market that could directly compete with the new Playstation 3. It will likely take traditional computer systems a few years to catch up with the performance of the Cell-based Playstation 3. If other consumer computers systems with a Cell processor appear on the market around the same time, Sony will not have the head-start they like to have with the Playstation 3.

2. If Toshiba and Sony release Cell-based computer systems with OS-X running on it while Apple sticks with the current PPC 970's they would be able to offer more performance for possible less money than Apple can. This will hurt Apple hardware sales.

3. Although the Cell processor contains a PPC core, it is likely to differ quite a bit from the regular PPC's like the G5. Therefore it is likely that software needs to be recompiled/rewritten to take advantage of the Cell architecture of to be able to run on it at all. If Apple doesn't switch (and even if they did) they would need to offer different versions of both the OS and the software, creating the same problems as with the X86 version (see point 2. of Why they won't release a x86 version:above.

Altogether this all creates more problems than gains for Apple. There is hardly anything to win for them, and a lot to lose..

It's not going to happen....
 
Whopeeee, Apple is getting bigger and biger, more market share yadda yadda yadda........

Oh no, can't be too poular, don't want the filthy plebs with their viruses on our system.....................

FFs, stop being so elitist. Who gives a toss?
 
LOL

~loserman~ said:
Not really a big deal. The compiler does most of the work for you.

You found a compiler that does quality assurance, beta testing, product kitting, manufacturing, distribution and end-user support? Great!

Seriously, these "non-porting" costs are a huge part of the overall lifecycle cost of a software product.

Even if the engineering cost of the port were to be zero, it would still be quite expensive to produce a variant of a commercial product for OS X on x64. Many of the non-porting costs are more or less additive - producing 3 variants costs 50% more than producing 2 variants, which costs 100% more than producing a single variant.

(I assume that it would be absurd to make a product for x86 at this point in time. Targeting x64 would also have the benefit of eliminating a lot of older legacy systems from consideration.)
 
Durendal said:
Barefeets disagrees with you. Anyway, dual FX-55 weren't my words, but his. Now, that may be an earlier revision of the Opteron and they may have a new one out under the same name. The G5 has a 20-something stage pipeline?? That's news to me. Last I knew the G5 has a 16 stage pipeline. The Opteron seems to have a 12 stage pipeline, although that may have been boosted a bit in the latest revision. The Athlon 64 goes up to 2.6, but the Opteron, commonly known as AMD's real powerhouse, goes up to 2.4. And there is still the Altivec unit making a huge difference in optimized tasks. Nothing on the x86 side even comes close to that. SSE3 is diddly squat in comparison. In unoptimized tasks, the Opteron will take the title. In optimized tasks, the G5 will take the title.

I agree with everyone else on this. If you hold out for a G5 solely due to altivech instructions, you'll lose. IF the OS was optimized for x86, efficient ways to convert altivec instructions to normal fixed/floating point instructions could be found with a relatively low impact on performance.
 
Lanbrown said:
When you buy OS X it would be considered an upgrade. MS sells both because you can build a PC or buy one without an OS. Then they sell the upgrade for people that want to upgrade an existing machine. Every Mac that is sold has an OS from Apple on it. So they don't need to offer a full version as well as an upgrade, they're all upgrades.

Granted, I overlooked that fact.

Still, it comes out with the Mac mini only costing less than 100$US more overall than simply purchasing the XP upgrade for your current PC (when you take the costs of OS X and iLife into account).

XP upgrade: 200$US
Mac mini: 500$US (the price difference is 300$US if you switch instead of upgrading Windows)
OS X upgrade: 130$US (included with the Mac mini, we're down to a 170$US difference)
iLife: 80$US (also included with the Mac mini, so the final price difference is only 90$US)

I think that would make a nice Apple ad, somehow.
 
CubaTBird said:
No No NO! this cannot happen, if it does, sure for the first few years everybody will be fine and dandy but then BAM reality sets in and the hackers will have another field day with os x... gnaw... plus os x makes the mac what a mac is... like steve says "we combine the HARDWARE (keyword) with the software"

I think many of the lameasses who code virii and spyware would not be able to get past OS X's security.
 
yakirz said:
I think many of the lameasses who code virii and spyware would not be able to get past OS X's security.
I always see folks using the word "virii" as a plural of "virus". This always bugged me, because I thought to myself "Is that really a word? I've never used it".
In fact, the plural of "Virus" is a simple "Viruses". The word "Virii" does not exist. Pull up your favorite online dictionary (excluding any Urban types :p ) and see for yourself.


Anyhow, a bit more on subject; People who claim the reason OSX does not have any viruses or spyware etc etc have obviously never seen how the hacker community works.
Half of them are motivated by a hatred of something... you don't think there is a TON of hatred for Apple? Casually mention "I have a Mac" on any non-Mac forum and you will see what I mean.
The other half are motivated by ego. They hack what will get them fame and attention. Can you imagine the kind of uproar a real virus on OSX would cause? These hackers know it, too, they aren't stupid. They simply can't manage the hack.

Also, probably 90% of the viruses and spyware hitting Windows PCs are from amateur hackers. These guys are also known as "Script kiddies". They can't do any real hacking, but they somehow manage to screw up Windows boxes from afar. This just goes to show how vulnerable Windows is.

So, in the conclusion of my rant... marketshare has a very tiny influence on why Macs aren't virus laden. The real reason is because it is a solid OS that nobody knows how to crack yet. Hacking UNIX boxes is not easy, and it's a good thing, too, because much of the worlds important computing is done on UNIX based boxes.
 
I wonder what happened to Power Computing the last time? Maybe they'll spring back to life for another two years or so.

I certainly hope not! VERY BAD IDEA.
 
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