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Mac OS X Snow Leopard (10.6) Due in Q1 2009?

I don't think I've even had Leopard for a year. This seems a bit rushed to me, but maybe the "Snow Leopard" name means it'll be a major yet not major upgrade. I understand the need for utilizing multi-core processors, but that's about the only big improvement I have heard of. Nothing else really landmark like Time Machine.
 
fleshman03 said:
I have a funny feeling that March 09 is pretty much on target. I'm sure Apple was working on this long before they mentioned it. (See Prototype MBA running tiger.)

As for builds being complete, I don't think Apple shows the Devs everything. Just a gut feeling. Wouldn't it make sense to just include the things needed to ensure smooth running of Apps? Esp. from Apple.
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Again, do you even READ what I said? for them to ship it by the end of the quarter they have to at least the code complete by January; you're saying to me that they can get it adequately tested in under two months? really?
 
Blue Velvet said:
It's a MacRumors tradition that we see the absolute worst in every rumor, so before anyone else gets there...

It may not be cheap. It may not run on PPC processor machines. Like Leopard, it might be fragile on release. It may mess with your apps and your setup, it may be disappointing to many and it may just be late.

OK, we've got that out of the way. ;)
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Most likely, it will have some snags when released, possibly a major issue or two. I never use OS X 10.X.0 because of bugs, but Apple usually addresses those bugs rather quickly. The sooner 10.6 ships, the quicker we'll get to 10.6.1 and a really cool OS with some nice upgrades under the hood.
 
h.21 said:
It's more likely that this guy just got his facts wrong. I would hope that if he WAS privy to inside information, like the dev schedule of OS X, he would be a bit more discerning regarding what he put out there in the public for everyone to see.
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Jordan is a pretty high-up engineer at Apple, and judging from his job title, is in charge of everything Unix-y in OS X, which is a lot of responsibility. He was one of the guys who started the FreeBSD project in 1993 and is highly skilled, so if anybody would have inside info about the development cycle, it's him.

Having said that, I agree that it's odd he would let this slip out in a public presentation. LISA is not an Apple conference and thus is not governed by NDA, so he knew this would be publicized. Either this was a deliberate but fairly quiet pre-announcement, or he was in a rush and didn't edit his slides carefully enough. The latter strikes me as uncharacteristically sloppy, so I'm leaning towards the former.

Either way, I'm curious. That's quite a bit sooner than I expected, and I hope Snow Leopard ships when it's ready and not before. 10.5 still has some outstanding bugs and I wish they would get it right. Here's hoping for 10.5.6...
 
makes perfect iProduct

Well if we see any new computer at MacWorld, perhaps a tablet. It has to run new OS that will be very light. Snow Leopard could be it.

Steve could announce Tablet in january and say its shipping in April with Snow Leopard. This can be very good year for Apple. (again)
 
The unofficial slogan of many businesses is "under promise, over deliver." Remember how Leopard got delayed? And then delayed again? That was over promising and under delivering. Not something you want to do.

If it ships earlier than the projected "year from now," we'll all be happy that it shipped early, instead of just pleased that they met their own deadline.
 
Soba said:
Either this was a deliberate but fairly quiet pre-announcement, or he was in a rush and didn't edit his slides carefully enough. The latter strikes me as uncharacteristically sloppy, so I'm leaning towards the former.
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I completely agree with this line of thinking. Apple tend not to be sloppy with information about upcoming releases. Maybe with the release of this news, they hope we'll all forget about the glossy whatnots and firewire disappointments and start to love them all over again. Pre-emptive love-bombing to soften us up. Next up: juicy Mac Pro rumors. ;)
 
Interesting

My pet theory (based on nothing but sheer unmitigated optimism) is that Snow Leopard will be released concurrently with the Nehalem chips which could make Q1 2009 a possibility. This coupled with a Blu Ray drive puts a shiny new MBP on my lap sometime in 2009. :D

Cheers
 
kaiwai said:
Again, do you even READ what I said? for them to ship it by the end of the quarter they have to at least the code complete by January; you're saying to me that they can get it adequately tested in under two months? really?
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And what are the seeds for? Are they not adequately testing as building?

I'm in the Information Science Field and one of the pillars we live by is to step back as you build and look. Then you know what needs to be strengthen and what is already.

I did read and I posted. Your turn. :D
 
Soba said:
Jordan is a pretty high-up engineer at Apple, and judging from his job title, is in charge of everything Unix-y in OS X, which is a lot of responsibility. He was one of the guys who started the FreeBSD project in 1993 and is highly skilled, so if anybody would have inside info about the development cycle, it's him.

Having said that, I agree that it's odd he would let this slip out in a public presentation. LISA is not an Apple conference and thus is not governed by NDA, so he knew this would be publicized. Either this was a deliberate but fairly quiet pre-announcement, or he was in a rush and didn't edit his slides carefully enough. The latter strikes me as uncharacteristically sloppy, so I'm leaning towards the former.
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Agreed, he would be in a position to know. Interestingly he was very specific in a later slide that Intel information was based on publicly published information so as not to generate speculation
 

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arn said:
Agreed, he would be in a position to know. Interestingly he was very specific in a later slide that Intel information was based on publicly published information so as not to generate speculation
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That's some pretty safe information to post there. 8 cores today? Maybe if you have a workstation.

This is a high end presentation though.
 
Can someone please tell me what, as a regular run of the mill user such as most of my friends and family will get from Snow Leopard?

Everyone always says "faster" and "more secure," but as far as I can tell Leopard is fast...and secure?

Anyone have /details/ about it?
 
I am looking forward to the update, but my question is will it be free or a paid update?

honestly, I ain't sure it would be worth the money if you don't get more than some mobile me and other update.

also... i don't want to wait till 10.6 for proper Blu-Ray support. it is just a bad idea to block a vibrant new party of the home video market.
 
Not quite

LanPhantom said:
Hahahha, how long have you been working with Windows PC's? Obviously not that long. It appears that Windows 7 will be similar to Windows Vista (according to pre-release Alpha version screen shots) but I bet big money on it that M$ will not have a leaner, more capable OS that resembles Vista (from a UI perspective).

And with all the new features M$ is claiming to be adding to Windows 7 as far as gestures, etc I would imagine that it's going to once again require more robust hardware or at a MINIMUM a compatible video card. Although we may get lucky and M$ could detect that we have legacy PC's and give us just an OS that "looks and performs" like Vista for the price of Win7.

We'll just have to wait and see 2Q 2010. Right after Apple release's it's 10.7 version of OS X "Melanistic Leopard"

LanPhantom
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re: how long I've been working with Windows... I'm a sys admin... I've been using it since 1990ish... the DOS days... and yes I DO know what I'm talking about... whether it be *nix, OS X, windows, Novell, etc...

And when you say Windows 7 will be similar to Vista... that was my point. And for the record the the PDC "Beta" builds run fine on Net PCs which do not fall into...

require more robust hardware
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which is usually the Norm. . They demo'd it on a Net PC.

And FYI its a bad example to use anyway as Snow Leopard will abandon far more previous Macs than Win7 will abandon PCs... i.e. PPC and Core Solo (which regrettably are 2 of my Macs and they're just 2 years old)

It's one thing to say Macs are the greatest machines in the world. (which they are of course) but give credit where credit is due. This is win/win for computer users all around. Snow Leopard will be streamlined and so will Windows!
 
kajitox said:
Can someone please tell me what, as a regular run of the mill user such as most of my friends and family will get from Snow Leopard?

Everyone always says "faster" and "more secure," but as far as I can tell Leopard is fast...and secure?

Anyone have /details/ about it?
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You'll get a leaner OS (fewer GB), Fully 64 bit system, Better Exchange support. This is pretty much geared for the enterprise and machines released within the past 2 years (Core 2 Duos only).
 
kajitox said:
Everyone always says "faster" and "more secure," but as far as I can tell Leopard is fast...and secure?
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Leopard's about as fast as a fat girl running uphill in a snowstorm with a headwind, and buggier than Paris Hilton's panties.
 
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